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DoomSquirrel
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Why did P. Subbalteatus get it's name changed to Cinctulus?
#18822070 - 09/10/13 05:09 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I know this question may be not suitable for this subforum, but here it goes.
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Edited by DoomSquirrel (09/10/13 05:10 AM)
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Tangich


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Re: Why did P. Subbalteatus get it's name changed to Cinctulus? [Re: DoomSquirrel]
#18822076 - 09/10/13 05:15 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Because mycologists get bored and are in constant arguments with one another, changing names and reclassifying species and genera is their outlet.  Someone who's deep in the scientific community I'm sure will tell you numerous 'valid' reasons, but in essence it's a battle between authors, and it makes no difference what you call them. You can use both names as synonyms.
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DoomSquirrel
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Re: Why did P. Subbalteatus get it's name changed to Cinctulus? [Re: Tangich]
#18822097 - 09/10/13 05:48 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Ok thanks, that's the reason I didn't understand why they changed it, since genus did not change.
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Tas75
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Taxonomy 101 (was Re: Why did P. Subbalteatus get it's name changed to Cinctulus?) [Re: DoomSquirrel]
#18823830 - 09/10/13 03:14 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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There is a thing called seniority, which says that the first validly described name must apply to any species. There are also a ton of rules, called the International Code of Botanical Nomenclature, which determine whether a species is validly published. Sometimes an earlier valid description for the same species is discovered.
Other times it's found that the commonly accepted name didn't fulfil the rules to be considered validly described in the first place. Then the next oldest validly described name will apply.
In other cases a taxonomist might revise the genus, or family, and come up with a different classification concept, one which considers the two species as synonyms. In this case, as before, the older name applies.
This is the case that more commonly leads to the sort of endless arguments Tangich describes. One thing to note is that if, in your opinion (hopefully informed opinion), a species is not a synonym of another, then you don't have to abide by the change. A publication synonymising two species is essentially just a proposal to treat the two species as synonyms, not a rule stating that they must so be trated. The synonymy may never be commonly accepted, and this is common in vascular plants (my field).
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raceme
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Taxonomy 101 (was Re: Why did P. Subbalteatus get it's name changed to Cinctulus?) [Re: Tas75]
#18824107 - 09/10/13 04:24 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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The meme in your signature has never been more appropriate, Tangich.
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knarkkorven
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Taxonomy 101 (was Re: Why did P. Subbalteatus get it's name changed to Cinctulus?) [Re: raceme]
#18826412 - 09/11/13 03:37 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Tangich


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Taxonomy 101 (was Re: Why did P. Subbalteatus get it's name changed to Cinctulus?) [Re: knarkkorven]
#18826419 - 09/11/13 03:43 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Taxonomy 101 (was Re: Why did P. Subbalteatus get it's name changed to Cinctulus?) [Re: knarkkorven]
#18826598 - 09/11/13 05:42 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Good one, knarkkorven!
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Hashfinger
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Taxonomy 101 (was Re: Why did P. Subbalteatus get it's name changed to Cinctulus?) [Re: NoBeginningNoEnd]
#18826874 - 09/11/13 08:20 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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So good. That made my morning. Thanks Knark.
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Taxonomy 101 (was Re: Why did P. Subbalteatus get it's name changed to Cinctulus?) [Re: Hashfinger]
#18829074 - 09/11/13 06:05 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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You know you're a nerd when...
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Re: Taxonomy 101 (was Re: Why did P. Subbalteatus get it's name changed to Cinctulus?) [Re: knarkkorven]
#18829724 - 09/11/13 08:14 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Quote:
knarkkorven said:

-------------------- ~~~~~~***Psilocybin Mushrooms***~~~~~~ _________A Practical Guide To Psilocybin Mushrooms_________ "Think about the species, not your scale". -NeoSporen "Mr. Joust, I see you don't actually partake in the psilocin, but it looks like it may partake in you!" -Gojira
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