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Re: [Sociology Majors???] My white-boy gang has agreed to let me write a sociological paper on them [Re: Synthe]
#18823532 - 09/10/13 01:48 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yo synthe your sig is fucked up man. Its cut in half and ship .jpeg quality. Just write VivaLaMushie said: "whatever" but not like a pic
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Re: [Sociology Majors???] My white-boy gang has agreed to let me write a sociological paper on them [Re: mellowparty]
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Re: [Sociology Majors???] My white-boy gang has agreed to let me write a sociological paper on them [Re: Synthe]
#18823584 - 09/10/13 02:00 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Stillnox I'm interested in what qualifies your white boy gang as a gang instead of a click or just group of friends. This is a good question to address in your paper A good example of a real white gang is P9 out of Orange County..those peckerwoods don't fuck around!
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Re: [Sociology Majors???] My white-boy gang has agreed to let me write a sociological paper on them [Re: Synthe]
#18823643 - 09/10/13 02:21 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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trippinballs420 said: your white boy gang is a buncha pussies from the suburbs
you need to go into the hood and meet some real motha fuckin gs nigga
those kids would probably cry if you took their bikes away
those kids would probably pull out a 38 and blast your ass into the ground if you came close to touching one of their bikes
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Re: [Sociology Majors???] My white-boy gang has agreed to let me write a sociological paper on them [Re: Magicman69]
#18823661 - 09/10/13 02:29 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Magicman69 said: Stillnox I'm interested in what qualifies your white boy gang as a gang instead of a click or just group of friends. This is a good question to address in your paper A good example of a real white gang is P9 out of Orange County..those peckerwoods don't fuck around!
WOW, PERFECT!!! I was already worried that my paper might end up more a statistical description of commonalities in interviews and a description of how the group works, rather than an actual exploration, and this is a perfect--and important point--to address.
I'll also research P9, as well as gangs generally. Thanks so much for your helpful input!
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Re: [Sociology Majors???] My white-boy gang has agreed to let me write a sociological paper on them [Re: st1llnox]
#18823679 - 09/10/13 02:39 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Do they have disputes with other gangs or are those "dues" and "powers" that they have just for "incase". I don't think you can even call yourself a group if you just parade around together selling drugs if you haven't even been challenged to defend each other to the end. You did say they didnt do and serious violence. If they don't have competition or haven't had to fight then I'd be wary of showing them much respect for then they'd just be domestic terrorists. Just like to fuck with people and do things that make em seem dangerous when they're just bunch of punks.
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Re: [Sociology Majors???] My white-boy gang has agreed to let me write a sociological paper on them [Re: LethargicBeing]
#18823752 - 09/10/13 02:56 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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LethargicBeing said: Do they have disputes with other gangs or are those "dues" and "powers" that they have just for "incase". I don't think you can even call yourself a group if you just parade around together selling drugs if you haven't even been challenged to defend each other to the end. You did say they didnt do and serious violence. If they don't have competition or haven't had to fight then I'd be wary of showing them much respect for then they'd just be domestic terrorists. Just like to fuck with people and do things that make em seem dangerous when they're just bunch of punks.
They do not, as far as I know, participate in the "other gang" scene. The resources are just in case, but as I mentioned above they also are there to be employed by members. For example, one is trying to start a business and the gang is funding his startup costs. Your point about not being valid as this kind of group is a good point, but here's the thing: they do address, as a single entity, anybody that crosses them so while they are not in conflict directly with other gangs, they do handle opposition in the same way traditional conflicts by gangs are handled. This includes 2 main aims, which is both to exact practical revenge but also (and I may be reading too much in here) to send a message. Essential to this, and explicative of it, is their gang's aim to make sure members are both protected and taken care of.
I'm not particularly concerned with showing them respect or whatnot... I'm simply the resident Philosophy/CompSci major trying on a Sociologist hat, you know? I may ask if they have any feelings about how their lack of inter-gang conflicts may affect on others respect and perceptions of their legitimacy.
Thank you, as well, for your useful reply!
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Re: [Sociology Majors???] My white-boy gang has agreed to let me write a sociological paper on them [Re: st1llnox]
#18823924 - 09/10/13 03:32 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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REAL advice:
Go to JSTOR and look up real sociological studies into urban or suburban gangs.
I advise to not look at undergraduate sociological studies, as these are not the kind of work you should be trying to emulate if you want to do real research.
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Re: [Sociology Majors???] My white-boy gang has agreed to let me write a sociological paper on them [Re: st1llnox]
#18824019 - 09/10/13 03:54 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Magicman69 said: Stillnox I'm interested in what qualifies your white boy gang as a gang instead of a click or just group of friends. This is a good question to address in your paper A good example of a real white gang is P9 out of Orange County..those peckerwoods don't fuck around!
WOW, PERFECT!!! I was already worried that my paper might end up more a statistical description of commonalities in interviews and a description of how the group works, rather than an actual exploration, and this is a perfect--and important point--to address.
I'll also research P9, as well as gangs generally. Thanks so much for your helpful input!
wow can you answer the mans question lol? what makes them a gang? sounds like a group of broke friends trying to figure out a way to make some money...
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Re: [Sociology Majors???] My white-boy gang has agreed to let me write a sociological paper on them [Re: mylfgur] 1
#18824171 - 09/10/13 04:40 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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mylfgur said: REAL advice:
Go to JSTOR and look up real sociological studies into urban or suburban gangs.
I advise to not look at undergraduate sociological studies, as these are not the kind of work you should be trying to emulate if you want to do real research.
Or talk to someone that actually knows their ass from their elbow when it comes to human subjects research. You don't just start collecting data you need IRB approval, consent forms, institutional backing etc. I always support research, but this isn't even close to "professional."
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Re: My white-boy gang has agreed to let me write a sociological paper on them [Re: Kinko]
#18824436 - 09/10/13 05:40 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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mylfgur said: REAL advice:
Go to JSTOR and look up real sociological studies into urban or suburban gangs.
I advise to not look at undergraduate sociological studies, as these are not the kind of work you should be trying to emulate if you want to do real research.
This is a great suggestion, and I think looking at some "real" studies of this sort and trying to model off of them is a great idea. However, I still plan on getting through some sort of "how to" just to make sure I don't overlook anything process-wise that could benefit the end result.
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Magicman69 said: Stillnox I'm interested in what qualifies your white boy gang as a gang instead of a click or just group of friends. This is a good question to address in your paper A good example of a real white gang is P9 out of Orange County..those peckerwoods don't fuck around!
WOW, PERFECT!!! I was already worried that my paper might end up more a statistical description of commonalities in interviews and a description of how the group works, rather than an actual exploration, and this is a perfect--and important point--to address.
I'll also research P9, as well as gangs generally. Thanks so much for your helpful input!
wow can you answer the mans question lol? what makes them a gang? sounds like a group of broke friends trying to figure out a way to make some money...
What qualifies them is that they fit squarely into the essential definition of a gang: an organized group of criminals. However, the many aspects of this group that don't conform to the stereotypical notion of what a gang is are largely what's driving me to want to do this study. Also, much of what my paper is going to deal with is exactly what you and others picked up on and I think that the exploration of what it means to be a gang and what constitutes being such an entity is going to be one of the main focusses of my paper.
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Re: My white-boy gang has agreed to let me write a sociological paper on them [Re: st1llnox]
#18824454 - 09/10/13 05:44 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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You want fries with that degree!
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Re: My white-boy gang has agreed to let me write a sociological paper on them [Re: Gorlax]
#18824461 - 09/10/13 05:46 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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let me guess: you're going to take drugs with this group of people in order to further your "research".
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Re: My white-boy gang has agreed to let me write a sociological paper on them [Re: st1llnox]
#18824471 - 09/10/13 05:48 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Does this "gang" know that you are gay?
Is it an all white gay gang?
If this is so then your paper might be interesting.
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Re: My white-boy gang has agreed to let me write a sociological paper on them [Re: fee]
#18825180 - 09/10/13 08:35 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I am having a hard time believing this is a gang. Acting as a group for revenge? What kind of situations are we talking here because every real gang I know of that isnt just a bunch of riled up young dumbasses trying to look tough requires you to handle your own shit like a man 1v1 with fists. Like if someone steals a pound of bud from them then yeah, group action will and should be taken because that's a lot and it affects the whole group, but if someone steals a members girl, or like your situation, a professional something or other was just a douche being douchey at their job, then just handle that shit yourself, don't ask your friends to help you fix something that you should be able to fix.
Also, the funds thing makes this sound like a very young group. Please tell me they at least have someone over 25 leading them. Otherwise I doubt this a very serious group of individuals. You said they weren't violent and if they are actually in need of group funds then its not prostitution so last thing is drugs. Just a bunch of drugs dealers doing their thing then? IDK but I can tell you that wherever you live there have to be better subjects. I mean if they aren't nationally recognized they don't seem successful enough to be worth studying as these can just be bad phases in people lives. Watch Ganglands for a bit and then say with a straight face that these people are on the level that hose gangs are on and it might be worth studying.
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Re: My white-boy gang has agreed to let me write a sociological paper on them [Re: LethargicBeing]
#18825369 - 09/10/13 09:12 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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millzy said: let me guess: you're going to take drugs with this group of people in order to further your "research".
You really are a dolt, aren't you? Do you think my genomics publication was an excuse to do drugs, or done on any higher amount of drugs than I'd normally do?
Go harass people on soberrecovery.com if you need an appropriate venue to castigate those who continue to use drugs.
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fee said: Does this "gang" know that you are gay?
Is it an all white gay gang?
If this is so then your paper might be interesting.
Yes, no (unfortunately).
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LethargicBeing said: I am having a hard time believing this is a gang. Acting as a group for revenge? What kind of situations are we talking here because every real gang I know of that isnt just a bunch of riled up young dumbasses trying to look tough requires you to handle your own shit like a man 1v1 with fists. Like if someone steals a pound of bud from them then yeah, group action will and should be taken because that's a lot and it affects the whole group, but if someone steals a members girl, or like your situation, a professional something or other was just a douche being douchey at their job, then just handle that shit yourself, don't ask your friends to help you fix something that you should be able to fix.
Also, the funds thing makes this sound like a very young group. Please tell me they at least have someone over 25 leading them. Otherwise I doubt this a very serious group of individuals. You said they weren't violent and if they are actually in need of group funds then its not prostitution so last thing is drugs. Just a bunch of drugs dealers doing their thing then? IDK but I can tell you that wherever you live there have to be better subjects. I mean if they aren't nationally recognized they don't seem successful enough to be worth studying as these can just be bad phases in people lives. Watch Ganglands for a bit and then say with a straight face that these people are on the level that hose gangs are on and it might be worth studying.
This is all stuff I'm going to find out about and explore the implications of. For now, they're indeed a gang as they qualify under the ubiquitously-accepted definition of gangs as "an organization of criminals".
There are certainly better subjects here, but I wouldn't dream of seeking them out and frankly, exploring this curiosity is simply the result of this opportunity falling into my lap. I know little to nothing about gangs, short of what DARE taught me and minor glimpses of how they work that drug documentaries sometimes show.
You seem to be coming toward what is actually a worry of mine, which is that instead of actually BEING a gang, they may simply be a loose collective of friends who want to BECOME a gang. This isn't a rational fear at this point however, with what I do know of their past, although it is still a possibility.
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Re: My white-boy gang has agreed to let me write a sociological paper on them [Re: st1llnox]
#18825632 - 09/10/13 10:08 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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millzy said: let me guess: you're going to take drugs with this group of people in order to further your "research".
You really are a dolt, aren't you? Do you think my genomics publication was an excuse to do drugs, or done on any higher amount of drugs than I'd normally do?
Go harass people on soberrecovery.com if you need an appropriate venue to castigate those who continue to use drugs.
you know, i recall trying to help you while everyone else was shredding you to pieces about your drug use. but you're losing me with whatever you're doing here, especially if you're serious about having them harass your psychiatrist. but maybe i'm just a dolt and am not on your level.
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Re: My white-boy gang has agreed to let me write a sociological paper on them [Re: millzy]
#18825943 - 09/10/13 11:43 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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millzy said:
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st1llnox said:
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millzy said: let me guess: you're going to take drugs with this group of people in order to further your "research".
You really are a dolt, aren't you? Do you think my genomics publication was an excuse to do drugs, or done on any higher amount of drugs than I'd normally do?
Go harass people on soberrecovery.com if you need an appropriate venue to castigate those who continue to use drugs.
you know, i recall trying to help you while everyone else was shredding you to pieces about your drug use. but you're losing me with whatever you're doing here, especially if you're serious about having them harass your psychiatrist. but maybe i'm just a dolt and am not on your level. 
I was being too reactive and I owe you an apology. I was seeing that as mainly you trying to pull me down and discourage my research interests or simply say that you don't think I have anything to offer as an academic that's worth taking seriously (your quotation marks around research especially got me on this other false trail).
I think I understand what you actually meant now, and I've now embarassed myself and treated a rather caring acquaintance on here like a total ass. I didn't realize you meant primarily, or quite likely *only*, to comment about the rather immature and shameful ways I've allowed myself to foray past the proper boundaries of moderation in drug consumption that I think are especially important to keep in mind for someone like myself.
And damn, I really do need to work on making my temper less volatile and to get used to thinking, analyzing, and looking for interpretation I may be rage-blinding myself to before I act. You're a good person, Millzy. Do you accept my apology?
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Re: My white-boy gang has agreed to let me write a sociological paper on them [Re: st1llnox]
#18826097 - 09/11/13 12:53 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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st1llnox said: Do you think my genomics publication was an excuse to do drugs
I think you're lying. What was your publication about?
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Re: My white-boy gang has agreed to let me write a sociological paper on them [Re: mellowparty]
#18826114 - 09/11/13 12:59 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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st1llnox said: Do you think my genomics publication was an excuse to do drugs
I think you're lying. What was your publication about?
He has never produced any proof of this great feat he accomplished.
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