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underfliptown
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Re: new pressure cooker. [Re: Shroomism]
#18821621 - 09/10/13 01:05 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I am just not very fond of ordering things online. Last time i ordered spores online (from spores101) they never came. I never got them, and was never reimbursed. I was pissed and ever since then its put a big chip on my shoulder. Although i successfully got MHRB online so i guess it really just depends on the vendor.
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FrankHorrigan
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You're not ordering spores from a cubensis spore vendor.
You're ordering a pressure cooker from amazon.com.
That is as reputable as it gets. There is no way around it.
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Mush4Brains
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Re: new pressure cooker. [Re: Stromrider]
#18821634 - 09/10/13 01:10 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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According to the questions on the site it says it will stay between 8 and 12 PSI. If you can steam grains for 8 hours, I'm sure you can go at 8-12 for a couple of hours . No harm in trying it, that's between ~235*F to ~245*F instead of 250*F.
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FrankHorrigan
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Mush4Brains said: If you can steam grains for 8 hours...
Find me one success story with that. I bet you can only find one or two at most.
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Mush4Brains
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http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/14860484#14860484
That's just one, of course, but if you go through all the posts here you'll find other people who steam for eight hours with success. There is no reason why they can't be telling the truth.
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Stromrider
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Man please don't tell people this is a good idea. You'll just set them up for failure. I know you are just trying to prove a point but don't. Just don't
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Mush4Brains
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Skinty
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Re: new pressure cooker. [Re: Stromrider]
#18821681 - 09/10/13 01:32 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I made a similar "mistake" starting out...got a PC very similar to the one this guy got or identical, it was a 5.5l fresco but from UK so 
Anyway - I think it says on it 45kpa which translates to about 11.5Psi I believe. I have not got a new cooker rather I adjust PCing times. I do cakes for 90 minutes and grain for 2 hours. This isn't recommended and if I hadn't been so lazy lately I would have upgraded to a bigger and better PC.
Up till now I'm pretty certain that I have not had any contam that has been a result of not sterilizing spawn adequately - only lazy inoculation technique.
Sounds like yr exchanging it anyway so good for you buddy
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Stromrider
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I can agree with that. I was saying telling people to steam sterilize their grains was a bad idea
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Mush4Brains
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Re: new pressure cooker. [Re: Skinty]
#18821686 - 09/10/13 01:35 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I wasn't suggesting that they should steam sterilize, I was just pointing out (Frank asked me to show him one time that it worked, so I showed him one time that it worked) the fact that RR can do 100lbs of Rye for 12hours up in the mountains where water boils below 212*F, you can technically steam sterilize, and if that is the case, 8-12PSI should not be a problem.
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Skinty
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Re: new pressure cooker. [Re: Stromrider]
#18821693 - 09/10/13 01:37 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yeh I know psilly 
Still better to nail it first time - if only as it's annoying the whole process taking an extra half hour for every load of jars (although standard times could work just as well but don't wanna take the risk )
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Re: new pressure cooker. [Re: Skinty]
#18822226 - 09/10/13 07:03 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Cookers that stay around 10psi work fine, even for grains. Just up the cooking time to two hours and don't stuff it too full.
I think they are called french type PCs in the normal world, because they are used for french cuisine.
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So you can go to tire stores and get pressure cookers in Canada, eh?
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FrankHorrigan
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FrankHorrigan said:
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Mush4Brains said: If you can steam grains for 8 hours...
Find me one success story with that. I bet you can only find one or two at most.
I don't want anecdotal evicdence M4B, I'm asking if you can find me a cultivator of limited experience who has had success with this method.
You won't find more than one or two.

Of course it can work, I've done it before in a pinch.
But it's piss-poor advice and an easily rectified situation- return crappy PC, buy decent one for a little extra.
Also you should really check the dates on those posts you link to, here is one from 2003 that is all sorts of wrong:
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SixTango said: So long as the jars are sitting on a trivot & not in the water in the bottom of the PC, it should work. You might go 120 minutes, though. 6T
This is obviously outdated. It states (incorrectly) that you should not let your jars touch the water in the PC.
Dumb advice by today's standards, I'm sure if he was around he'd agree.
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JohnnieYen
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Look on craigslist, or hit up second hand stores or flea markets.
I got an AA925 for 100$ and an AA75x for 400 on craigslist.
I doubt your 5.5L pressure cooker could hold more than 1 jar, much less get to 15 PSI. Waste of time IMO
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HypnotoadCroaked
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My opinion on pressure cookers for what its worth.
@ 15psi, if you cannot fit at least 4-5 quart jars, it is a waste of energy. I have a 16qt presto which does 7 quarts at one cook. One thing that most of us will agree on, bigger is better. It also saves money in the effect of doing more in less time. If you get a smaller PC to save cash, you will look back and regret not spending a bit more to get a lot more. As others have stated, $$75-$$100 will get a very acceptable PC. It is not going to be an AA, but I have had no issues with presto. Just my 2 cents and the reasoning that you may feel regret later. Plus you can cook a whole chicken in a 16qt, and it makes a great stock pot for making chilli, chicken corn soup (with riveles of course), and pork! Feed your hobby, your mind and body with a proper cooker.
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Mush4Brains
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FrankHorrigan said:
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FrankHorrigan said:
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Mush4Brains said: If you can steam grains for 8 hours...
Find me one success story with that. I bet you can only find one or two at most.
I don't want anecdotal evicdence M4B, I'm asking if you can find me a cultivator of limited experience who has had success with this method.
You won't find more than one or two.

Of course it can work, I've done it before in a pinch.
But it's piss-poor advice and an easily rectified situation- return crappy PC, buy decent one for a little extra.
Also you should really check the dates on those posts you link to, here is one from 2003 that is all sorts of wrong:
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SixTango said: So long as the jars are sitting on a trivot & not in the water in the bottom of the PC, it should work. You might go 120 minutes, though. 6T
This is obviously outdated. It states (incorrectly) that you should not let your jars touch the water in the PC.
Dumb advice by today's standards, I'm sure if he was around he'd agree.
I think you were missing the point of my post, I was never advocating steam sterilization, simply pointed out that it is possible. I only provided evidence of steam sterilization working because you asked for it.
8PSI in 2003 is the same as 8PSI in 2013. EM666's post is only from a year+ ago, so over the course of 10 years the advice that a sub-15psi cooker will do just fine with extra cooking time has stayed the same. It will work for grains as long as you give them a little extra time, period.
No, a 5.5L will not hold many jars (I started with a 6qt which is ~5.6L), but you can do enough pints to do mini-monos and shoebox trays with single runs. It won't be as energy efficient as my 16qt Presto (probably the same one Whippy has), but it will work, and I don't think he needs to return it as long as he realizes he will have to cook a little longer, and won't get enough grains per run to do a full monotub. If OP is growing for strictly personal uses, the PC will work just fine for what he wants to do.
From 8 hours at 1PSI to 90 minutes at 15PSI to 70 minutes at 20PSI all work, it just is more likely to work with more consistency at higher pressures/temperatures.
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NevilleBartos
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That's almost exactly the PC I have, and I've had considerable success from it. Mine runs at 11 psi so I boil for at least 90 minutes. Use it. It will work. Check out my gallery for proof.
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magicbroncoride
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I have that 23 quart presto from amazon and it will do 15psi no problem and is actually really well built and worth the money.
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In april I bought a mirro 92116 on amazon for $37 and change shipped, after waiting 3 days for the price to drop from $75. It does 7 qts. nicely. A few days after receiving it, a pc got detonated in boston. I haven't had any government agents inquiring about my online purchases.
This thread reminds me of this guy I knew in high school. He had these ideas he would talk about constantly, ranging from possible but inefficient, to outright impossible. He thought of me as that smart science kid, so I got to hear, and then debunk, all his ideas. Then I would get to hear his 'whatifs' until he found a new facination. And this ONE time he kinda proved me wrong. I broadened my thinking a little bit that day.
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