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Anyone know if this is a fair deal for an AK47?
    #18821474 - 09/10/13 12:06 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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i was thinking of getting an ar15, but a friend told me that ak47 is legally available as a semi-auto for much cheaper. considering i was seriously considering paying $1k for an AR15, this price doesn't seem like much to sweat over. but i still would like some opinions from people who might know what they are talking about...


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Re: Anyone know if this is a fair deal for an AK47? [Re: SurReality]
    #18821479 - 09/10/13 12:08 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I thought this thread was gonna be about weed :frown:


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Re: Anyone know if this is a fair deal for an AK47? [Re: mellowparty]
    #18821482 - 09/10/13 12:09 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

But to answer your question, no its not good deal. A good deal would be $400 or less.


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Re: Anyone know if this is a fair deal for an AK47? [Re: SurReality]
    #18821485 - 09/10/13 12:09 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

My sister and her husband just got an AR15 for 1,200. They wanted to get it before Obama could make any assault rifle ban. I don't know much about the pricing for AK's, but they are really reliable rifles.


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Re: Anyone know if this is a fair deal for an AK47? [Re: mellowparty]
    #18821502 - 09/10/13 12:16 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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But to answer your question, no its not good deal. A good deal would be $400 or less.




for a new rifle?? where do you find deals like that?


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Re: Anyone know if this is a fair deal for an AK47? [Re: SurReality]
    #18821579 - 09/10/13 12:47 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

It doesn't seem like a bad price to me, I'd look up reviews for it before purchasing though.


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Re: Anyone know if this is a fair deal for an AK47? [Re: SurReality]
    #18821591 - 09/10/13 12:51 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

man if i could buy an AK for $700 i would have so much legit shit


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Re: Anyone know if this is a fair deal for an AK47? [Re: SurReality]
    #18821680 - 09/10/13 01:31 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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But to answer your question, no its not good deal. A good deal would be $400 or less.




for a new rifle?? where do you find deals like that?



I come from a place where you can buy a nuke on the black market (I'm not joking).


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Re: Anyone know if this is a fair deal for an AK47? [Re: mellowparty]
    #18821694 - 09/10/13 01:37 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

my roommate back in west virginia bought a panther arms ar15 that came with a couple 30 round clips for around 800 brand new, took him like 30 mins from the time he walked in to the time he walked out with the rifle registered and all :cool:

my other roommate in WV had a 12 gauge and always talked about getting an AK, i think he was loooking at some around 500-600$ brand new but this was also almost 5 years ago now :shrug:


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Re: Anyone know if this is a fair deal for an AK47? [Re: trippinballs420] * 2
    #18822464 - 09/10/13 08:51 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

yea prices are different after 2012. people are getting ready for civil war...


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Re: Anyone know if this is a fair deal for an AK47? [Re: SurReality] * 1
    #18822469 - 09/10/13 08:53 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Go to Uganda

20 bucks!


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Re: Anyone know if this is a fair deal for an AK47? [Re: Beanhead]
    #18822500 - 09/10/13 09:02 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

It is alright

and you know that whole 20 dollar aks thing only applies to very specific circumstances, i.e. as a loss lead for arms dealers selling in bulk, because they make the bulk of their profit from pushing heavy equipment,  vehicles, ammunition, and artillery pieces. your buyers wont buy ammo if they don't have guns.


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Re: Anyone know if this is a fair deal for an AK47? [Re: Beanhead]
    #18822508 - 09/10/13 09:04 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

or 50,000 ugandan money units


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Re: Anyone know if this is a fair deal for an AK47? [Re: themusicofzann]
    #18822552 - 09/10/13 09:19 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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It is alright

and you know that whole 20 dollar aks thing only applies to very specific circumstances, i.e. as a loss lead for arms dealers selling in bulk, because they make the bulk of their profit from pushing heavy equipment,  vehicles, ammunition, and artillery pieces. your buyers wont buy ammo if they don't have guns.




yeah like russian depots getting raided and nobody knows the better or the US government just dumping them :brilliant:


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Re: Anyone know if this is a fair deal for an AK47? [Re: Beanhead]
    #18822560 - 09/10/13 09:24 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

the irony is that ammo for AK is cheaper than .45... i would have saved money if i bought an AK instead of a pistol WTF


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Re: Anyone know if this is a fair deal for an AK47? [Re: SurReality]
    #18822579 - 09/10/13 09:33 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

People will sell that for like 400$ to strangers, so I think new that is pretty good.


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Re: Anyone know if this is a fair deal for an AK47? [Re: Konyap]
    #18822586 - 09/10/13 09:34 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

pew pew pew!

seems like a good deal...  for death!


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Re: Anyone know if this is a fair deal for an AK47? [Re: druqs]
    #18822591 - 09/10/13 09:36 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah, they're cool guns but shoot extremely powerful, the ER doesn't like dealling with that shit.

I wouldn't call them assault weapons though, they're just rifles with clips..


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Re: Anyone know if this is a fair deal for an AK47? [Re: Konyap]
    #18822596 - 09/10/13 09:37 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

That's my word you could trade an oz with some people for one:lol:


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Re: Anyone know if this is a fair deal for an AK47? [Re: Konyap]
    #18822645 - 09/10/13 09:54 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

yea, it seems like either a good time or bad time to buy for resale value. either way tho, i feel like its worth 600 to me. i could get another on that site for 600 but the m10 looks sick as fuck for 100 more.


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Re: Anyone know if this is a fair deal for an AK47? [Re: SurReality]
    #18822737 - 09/10/13 10:17 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

God, I HATE the vile repulsive American who seems to know nothing about firearms and the ones who are wishing this thread was about weed. Ugh, wake up you quarrelsome tv junkies!

Anyway, that's not about you OP, you are a man after all, arming yourself to kill, yes I respect that. As for your question, it's a decent price considering. I've personally never did any research on that manufacturer. You also have to think about the differences in caliber. The AR is a 223 whereas the "AK" is a 7.62. You won't find any really good ammunition in this caliber unless you're lucky, you also have less range with the AK, it's more reliable. If you choose the AK, I would buy a Saiga which is the sporterized version of the orgininal AK, designed to look more friendly to suburban trash. The positive of buying the Saiga is the fact that its manufactured in the same factory as the real deal fully automatic AKs. The only thing you'll have to do is a little tinkering to the gun to make it accept 30 round magazines like the standard AK and you'll have to replace the stock then you'll have a semi auto version of the real thing. The AR has tons of benefits though, I'd look into getting both.

PM for more info. PS. The Saiga will run about 600-800$ brand new.


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Re: Anyone know if this is a fair deal for an AK47? [Re: mellowparty]
    #18822803 - 09/10/13 10:30 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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I come from a place where you can buy a nuke on the black market (I'm not joking).




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Re: Anyone know if this is a fair deal for an AK47? [Re: Repertoire89]
    #18823008 - 09/10/13 11:22 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I have no clue about price but was just curious what are you buying it for?


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Re: Anyone know if this is a fair deal for an AK47? [Re: Repertoire89]
    #18823031 - 09/10/13 11:28 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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I come from a place where you can buy a nuke on the black market (I'm not joking).




:waitwhat:



Its capitalism running wild here :lol: Its an old soviet warhead presumably intact and still containing all of the nuclear material and electronics. A french journalist bought one, someone didn't believe them so they went and they bought one too :lol:


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Re: Anyone know if this is a fair deal for an AK47? [Re: acapuchinu]
    #18823041 - 09/10/13 11:29 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

It's not polite to answer a question with a question! So why does anyone need a reason to buy a weapon?


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Re: Anyone know if this is a fair deal for an AK47? [Re: GreySatyr]
    #18823085 - 09/10/13 11:41 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Often because their pee-pee is tiny... :fappage: . . . :peace:


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Re: Anyone know if this is a fair deal for an AK47? [Re: GreySatyr]
    #18823087 - 09/10/13 11:43 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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It's not polite to answer a question with a question! So why does anyone need a reason to buy a weapon?



tens of thousands of people accidently shoot people every year
tens of thousands also shoot themselves
thousands use handguns in murders

I dunno, you tell me?


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Re: Anyone know if this is a fair deal for an AK47? [Re: Konyap]
    #18823178 - 09/10/13 12:08 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

All kinds of technological tools cause accidents.
Suicide is a perfectly viable option, it is a freedom and right that we all posess.
Taking away handguns won't reduce murders, it'll just be less murders by handgun!

You peace loving liberal hippies should be all for guns! They're the prime example of a country of freedoms and freedoms that we should protect. Liberals are such a damn contradiction.


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Re: Anyone know if this is a fair deal for an AK47? [Re: GreySatyr]
    #18823187 - 09/10/13 12:10 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

But I've already said assault rifle bullets are way too powerful for the average consumer.


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Re: Anyone know if this is a fair deal for an AK47? [Re: GreySatyr]
    #18823205 - 09/10/13 12:16 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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God, I HATE the vile repulsive American who seems to know nothing about weed and the ones who are wishing this thread was about firearms. Ugh, wake up you conservative old fucks.





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Re: Anyone know if this is a fair deal for an AK47? [Re: SurReality] * 1
    #18823215 - 09/10/13 12:20 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

If this is going to become another gun debate, I'll throw my chips on the pro-gun table. I'll own a gun regardless of the legality of it, would defend myself with lethal force, and if I deemed it necessary go on the offensive.

There will never be a successful ban on weapons in a world so heavily populated, if someone wants to be declawed then by all means don't own a weapon :shrug: your problem


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Re: Anyone know if this is a fair deal for an AK47? [Re: Konyap]
    #18823229 - 09/10/13 12:25 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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But I've already said assault rifle bullets are way too powerful for the average consumer.



The average consumer can't buy an assault rifle in the U.S.  An assault rifle has selective firing.  This is a thread about a semi-automatic rifle...not an assault rifle.


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Re: Anyone know if this is a fair deal for an AK47? [Re: Konyap]
    #18823230 - 09/10/13 12:25 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

That's an opinion, an uneducated opinion. What the hell do you consider an "assault" rifle anyways? The term is used inaccurately and for the wrong reasons. the term itself sucks because there are so many variables that one cannot just call one rifle an assault rifle without knowing ts exact specifications and operation. An "assault" rifle is a selective fire rifle that fires an intermediate cartridge and uses a detachable magazine. They're typically used at short to medium range. A "battle" rifle is typically a larger, more powerful caliber rifle used at medium to long range and typically they are not selective fire. Basically, the battle rifle is similar to a hunting rifle and a assault rifle is actually weaker and less accurate by comparison.

There is no small arm weapon that is overpowered, underpowered, yes! However, seeing as our country has 500 pound bombs, I believe we're seriously underpowered as citizens if anything at all. Bullets don't kill as effectively as you'd like to think. The movies have it all wrong. Plus you have to buy quality ammunition. There is so many variables that go into weapons. You really have to do your study before you're going to argue a case. Doesn't matter what side you're on and once you do research you may find yourself on the other side of this argument.


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Re: Anyone know if this is a fair deal for an AK47? [Re: Enlil]
    #18823234 - 09/10/13 12:27 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I know it's just that they call it so much I mix up the words them:facepalm:

but names aside they fire way too hard for an E.R. to do anything after the fact

try to convince me bullets need to be that powerful, go ahead...


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Re: Anyone know if this is a fair deal for an AK47? [Re: GreySatyr]
    #18823236 - 09/10/13 12:27 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Since when has there been an arms race between the people and their government?
We will never be powerful enough individually. Which doesn't matter because we are the government.

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Re: Anyone know if this is a fair deal for an AK47? [Re: ModestMouse]
    #18823242 - 09/10/13 12:28 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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God, I HATE the vile repulsive American who seems to know nothing about weed and the ones who are wishing this thread was about firearms. Ugh, wake up you conservative old fucks.





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I'm not a conservative republican. They've got it wrong too. The country was founded on LIBERTY, that's where liberal comes from however the modern liberal has been dumbed down and blinded by that Mary Jane smoke as of lately. Legalizing pot is just a distraction from all the evil that's raining down on us as of late.


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Re: Anyone know if this is a fair deal for an AK47? [Re: Konyap]
    #18823245 - 09/10/13 12:29 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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I know it's just that they call it so much I mix up the words them:facepalm:

but names aside they fire way too hard for an E.R. to do anything after the fact

try to convince me bullets need to be that powerful, go ahead...



They need to be that powerful if you're looking to take out cops wearing Kevlar inside their cars.

I don't really care how powerful they "need" to be anyway.  A .223 isn't a good round for home defense, of course, because you'll shoot the intruder and the neighbors kid with the same slug...but that doesn't mean it's a useless round in general.


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Re: Anyone know if this is a fair deal for an AK47? [Re: Konyap]
    #18823253 - 09/10/13 12:33 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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I know it's just that they call it so much I mix up the words them:facepalm:

but names aside they fire way too hard for an E.R. to do anything after the fact

try to convince me bullets need to be that powerful, go ahead...




"Fire way too hard?" You mean the velocity of the bullet and weight of the round is too high? I could argue all day but your logic is futile and depressing.
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Re: Anyone know if this is a fair deal for an AK47? [Re: Enlil] * 1
    #18823266 - 09/10/13 12:37 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I've hunted a deer with a bow an arrow in the dead of winter with no camo. I can also stand my ground with a barret 50 cal and c4 on a heightened platform being swarmed by angry Russians. I've shot dinosaurs, rampaging cyborg t-rex's, civilians and aliens before you were even old enough to call someone faggot. I am skilled in a variety of weapons and I can shoot to kill just as good as the next guy. I even fire from the hip on targets hundreds of yards away. Do you still think that .23 is effective son?


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Re: Anyone know if this is a fair deal for an AK47? [Re: Enlil]
    #18823274 - 09/10/13 12:40 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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I know it's just that they call it so much I mix up the words them:facepalm:

but names aside they fire way too hard for an E.R. to do anything after the fact

try to convince me bullets need to be that powerful, go ahead...



They need to be that powerful if you're looking to take out cops wearing Kevlar inside their cars.

I don't really care how powerful they "need" to be anyway.  A .223 isn't a good round for home defense, of course, because you'll shoot the intruder and the neighbors kid with the same slug...but that doesn't mean it's a useless round in general.




Have had to deal with home invasions a few times, and personally always reach for my bear spray if I think someone's in my house. It would be hell for me letting it off indoors but don't have to kill anyone, also much easier to aim.

For me owning a firearm is more for situations which will likely never happen, like a stalker.


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Re: Anyone know if this is a fair deal for an AK47? [Re: Konyap]
    #18823279 - 09/10/13 12:41 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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I've hunted a deer with a bow an arrow in the dead of winter with no camo. I can also stand my ground with a barret 50 cal and c4 on a heightened platform being swarmed by angry Russians. I've shot dinosaurs, rampaging cyborg t-rex's, civilians and aliens before you were even old enough to call someone faggot. I am skilled in a variety of weapons and I can shoot to kill just as good as the next guy. I even fire from the hip on targets hundreds of yards away. Do you still think that .23 is effective son?




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    #18823282 - 09/10/13 12:41 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

First, I was born LONG BEFORE first person shooters existed.  I learned to program on a VIC-20, son.

Second, I said .223


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    #18823285 - 09/10/13 12:42 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I'd rather have a gun and not need it than need it and not have one. :shrug:


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    #18823288 - 09/10/13 12:43 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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I come from a place where you can buy a nuke on the black market (I'm not joking).




:waitwhat:



Its capitalism running wild here :lol: Its an old soviet warhead presumably intact and still containing all of the nuclear material and electronics. A french journalist bought one, someone didn't believe them so they went and they bought one too :lol:




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    #18823302 - 09/10/13 12:46 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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    #18823314 - 09/10/13 12:50 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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It's not polite to answer a question with a question! So why does anyone need a reason to buy a weapon?



tens of thousands of people accidently shoot people every year
tens of thousands also shoot themselves
thousands use handguns in murders

I dunno, you tell me?



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1. Hunters in Ohio harvested 218,910 deer last season, and that is just one state. Over 8 million deer are harvested annually by hunters in the United States. That is just one species of game, you then have turkey, elk, moose, squirrel, rabbit, duck, grouse, bear, boar, etc. How about that for a reason to have a firearm? FOOD, now Stfu.
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thousands use handguns in murders



You said it yourself, people use guns to murder. It only makes sense that I have one to defend myself with. Guess what, the cities with the most murders, are the cities in which guns are banned. I live in a rural part of West Virginia, there have been no murders in my town, and only a few in the whole county, in the last 20 years. Care to guess why? Because every home has a firearm in it. You don't break into a house to rob/commit murder/etc., when you know the person on the other side of that door has a loaded shotgun leaning against their bedpost.


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I'd rather have a gun and not need it than need it and not have one. :shrug:




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I come from a place where you can buy a nuke on the black market (I'm not joking).




:waitwhat:



Its capitalism running wild here :lol: Its an old soviet warhead presumably intact and still containing all of the nuclear material and electronics. A french journalist bought one, someone didn't believe them so they went and they bought one too :lol:




how much is said nuke? in USD



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    #18823327 - 09/10/13 12:53 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

You're obviously lying.


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That's how I feel about it, have bear-spray, a baseball bat, and some MA experience. The gun is for last resort




I am in awe of your manliness.

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    #18823340 - 09/10/13 12:56 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

no way, a few thousand? why doesnt every terrorist have one??


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no way, a few thousand? why doesnt every terrorist have one??



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no way, a few thousand? why doesnt every terrorist have one??



Because it's a lie, bro.




no wayyy maaan. thats as true as hitler loving the jews!


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no way, a few thousand? why doesnt every terrorist have one??



Because it's a lie, bro.




I don't know. It could explain why mine aren't selling on Craigslist.


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    #18823370 - 09/10/13 01:05 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I once made a fake bomb out of flares, electrical tape, some wire, and an alarm clock that a friend used to scare the shit out of his ex.

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    #18823377 - 09/10/13 01:07 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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    #18823398 - 09/10/13 01:13 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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That's how I feel about it, have bear-spray, a baseball bat, and some MA experience. The gun is for last resort




I am in awe of your manliness.

Too bad the old, disabled and weak don't share it.




:lol: thank you.

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    #18823404 - 09/10/13 01:14 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

How odd that you'd leave out "a baseball bat, and some MA experience".


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    #18823414 - 09/10/13 01:17 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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You guys are fucking ignorant, watch the video fools



The video doesn't show them buying a functional nuke warhead.  They show a detonator, but they don't show the bomb.  Sounds like bullshit to me.


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How odd that you'd leave out "a baseball bat, and some MA experience".




How is that odd? An old or disabled person probably can't do much for themselves in regards to hand to hand fighting, are you suggesting we take away their alternatives?

I'm in relatively good shape, so I have a greater ability to avoid using lethal force than someone in worse shape than me. That doesn't mean I disapprove of them using lethal force.

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    #18823437 - 09/10/13 01:22 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I once created a weaponized strain of Ebola, but I must have written the recipe down wrong because the next time I tried to make it, it came out looking like a strawberry tart. 

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    #18823439 - 09/10/13 01:22 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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You guys are fucking ignorant, watch the video fools



The video doesn't show them buying a functional nuke warhead.  They show a detonator, but they don't show the bomb.  Sounds like bullshit to me.



They said it could be used for a dirty bomb, which is EASILY obtainable if you've ever watched European crime movies.


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    #18824115 - 09/10/13 04:26 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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It's not polite to answer a question with a question! So why does anyone need a reason to buy a weapon?



tens of thousands of people accidently shoot people every year
tens of thousands also shoot themselves
thousands use handguns in murders

I dunno, you tell me?



:lolwut:
1. Hunters in Ohio harvested 218,910 deer last season, and that is just one state. Over 8 million deer are harvested annually by hunters in the United States. That is just one species of game, you then have turkey, elk, moose, squirrel, rabbit, duck, grouse, bear, boar, etc. How about that for a reason to have a firearm? FOOD, now Stfu.
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thousands use handguns in murders



You said it yourself, people use guns to murder. It only makes sense that I have one to defend myself with. Guess what, the cities with the most murders, are the cities in which guns are banned. I live in a rural part of West Virginia, there have been no murders in my town, and only a few in the whole county, in the last 20 years. Care to guess why? Because every home has a firearm in it. You don't break into a house to rob/commit murder/etc., when you know the person on the other side of that door has a loaded shotgun leaning against their bedpost.




Exactly, in places where there is not murder, 5x the amount of people that would've been murdered die on a hospital table after shooting themselves.


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    #18824165 - 09/10/13 04:38 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

And thank God for that.  Anyone who shoots himself, either by accident or on purpose, is doing the world a huge favor.  The last thing we need is his genes replicating.


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It's not polite to answer a question with a question! So why does anyone need a reason to buy a weapon?



tens of thousands of people accidently shoot people every year
tens of thousands also shoot themselves
thousands use handguns in murders

I dunno, you tell me?



:lolwut:
1. Hunters in Ohio harvested 218,910 deer last season, and that is just one state. Over 8 million deer are harvested annually by hunters in the United States. That is just one species of game, you then have turkey, elk, moose, squirrel, rabbit, duck, grouse, bear, boar, etc. How about that for a reason to have a firearm? FOOD, now Stfu.
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thousands use handguns in murders



You said it yourself, people use guns to murder. It only makes sense that I have one to defend myself with. Guess what, the cities with the most murders, are the cities in which guns are banned. I live in a rural part of West Virginia, there have been no murders in my town, and only a few in the whole county, in the last 20 years. Care to guess why? Because every home has a firearm in it. You don't break into a house to rob/commit murder/etc., when you know the person on the other side of that door has a loaded shotgun leaning against their bedpost.




Exactly, in places where there is not murder, 5x the amount of people that would've been murdered die on a hospital table after shooting themselves.



:lolwut: State your source for that statistic. I have only known one person who committed suicide in my entire life, and he hung himself.


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Re: Anyone know if this is a fair deal for an AK47? [Re: greencrush420]
    #18824376 - 09/10/13 05:24 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/04/11/guns-child-deaths-more-than-cancer/2073259/

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    #18824580 - 09/10/13 06:11 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I don't see anywhere in there that it says this.
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in places where there is not murder, 5x the amount of people that would've been murdered die on a hospital table after shooting themselves.




The article that you quoted seems to suggest that there would be less gun violence if guns were banned. The opposite is true.
Here is a quote from Thomas Jefferson's commonplace book.
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    #18824603 - 09/10/13 06:16 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

It's a news pamphlet for moms that comes in the sunday paper

I'm just saying that owning guns is a major responsibility and I'd personally not want one in my house.


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    #18824653 - 09/10/13 06:31 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I recently bought a 1950's Russian SKS for $214 and change Canadian, it comes with 3 "strip clips" and the spring-activated bayonet.

A gun shop 45 mins away from me sells surplus 7.62 ammunition crates from Bulgaria and Russia, the Bulgarian crates of ammo are $260 for 1400 rounds, and the Russian crates are $280 for 1260, the Russian ammo is a little better, less corrosive.

Magazines for the rifle are $60 for 30 round mags, but they've put a rivet through the magazine to make them a legal 5 round limit in Canada.

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    #18824660 - 09/10/13 06:33 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

It is definitely a major responsibility, and anyone who isn't ready to handle and use them responsibly shouldn't have them. I agree with you there. :thumbup: I got my first gun, a 4-10, when I was 8, and I was taught how to handle one responsibly and ethically from that young age. My son will be taught the same. Don't buy all of the prohibitionist prevarication that the nanny state like to spew to you over your morning coffee (I'm not saying you do, just saying maybe you should put more thought into the matter). In my state, all students are offered the chance to take a hunter safety course in the 7th grade, and in high school, we shot .22 and .177 caliber rifles in JROTC and competed in marksmanship with JROTC students from other schools. You read right, WE SHOT GUNS IN SCHOOL. Guess what, nobody got shot. Disarming the honest man only gives the dishonest man more power.


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    #18824752 - 09/10/13 06:53 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)





This is the new toy, the idea is "family self defense"

And with clips that can be easily changed into 30-rounders, with a few buddies having a couple crates of 1200+ rounds of ammo each, we're ready for family defense just in case.


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    #18824772 - 09/10/13 06:58 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Dude just get an AR, they're better guns. You can find one for 600-700, atleast last I checked.


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    #18824801 - 09/10/13 07:04 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I'm in Canada, I don't think I can, they're "Prohibited" weapons.

Canada, you have your "non-restricted" "restricted" and "prohibited"

I have my non restricted, because it's easier to obtain than the restricted, which is like handguns and etc. prohibited is almost impossible unless your grandfather owned a weapon.

Like I said, it's for defense man, they're a good, reliable gun, and the ammo is cheap, we got new stocks for the, they're the polymer stocks, they don't melt after use, we tried hahah!


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Re: Anyone know if this is a fair deal for an AK47? [Re: luvdemboomers]
    #18825389 - 09/10/13 09:16 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Dude just get an AR, they're better guns. You can find one for 600-700, atleast last I checked.




what makes an AR a better gun? there are somethings people like more about them, but overall the consensus is that AK is far more reliable and powerful.


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Re: Anyone know if this is a fair deal for an AK47? [Re: SurReality]
    #18825558 - 09/10/13 09:52 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Dude just get an AR, they're better guns. You can find one for 600-700, atleast last I checked.




what makes an AR a better gun? there are somethings people like more about them, but overall the consensus is that AK is far more reliable and powerful.



Better probably wasn't the best choice of a word.

I like AR's because of how customizable they are. If you don't like something (trigger for example) parts are much more readily available to tailor it to your liking. They also are more generally more accurate and have a flatter trajectory. For someone that likes shooting for fun, or even a home defense weapon, I think the AR makes more sense. If you keep your guns clean and lubed, reliability shouldn't be an issue.



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Re: Anyone know if this is a fair deal for an AK47? [Re: SurReality]
    #18825619 - 09/10/13 10:05 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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But to answer your question, no its not good deal. A good deal would be $400 or less.




for a new rifle?? where do you find deals like that?





you don't.

$800-$1000 for a new semi-auto AK is the going rate in the USA.


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Re: Anyone know if this is a fair deal for an AK47? [Re: SurReality]
    #18825631 - 09/10/13 10:08 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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the irony is that ammo for AK is cheaper than .45... i would have saved money if i bought an AK instead of a pistol WTF





shells for a .45 are very high.
it's a big chuck of lead and it only comes in a brass casing.
about $1 a bullet still or has the price gone up?

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Re: Anyone know if this is a fair deal for an AK47? [Re: luvdemboomers]
    #18825665 - 09/10/13 10:18 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Dude just get an AR, they're better guns. You can find one for 600-700, atleast last I checked.




what makes an AR a better gun? there are somethings people like more about them, but overall the consensus is that AK is far more reliable and powerful.



Better probably wasn't the best choice of a word.

I like AR's because of how customizable they are. If you don't like something (trigger for example) parts are much more readily available to tailor it to your liking. They also are more generally more accurate and have a flatter trajectory. For someone that likes shooting for fun, or even a home defense weapon, I think the AR makes more sense. If you keep your guns clean and lubed, reliability shouldn't be an issue.







You sounds like you really don't know what you are talking about.

Aftermarket pats are available for everything.

Oh yeah, and you said an AR is  a good home defense weapon. I will grant you that it is, if you have a huge amount of property and you see the intruder coming at you way off in the distance. Neither is "great" nor even "good" for in home defense.


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Re: Anyone know if this is a fair deal for an AK47? [Re: SurReality]
    #18825828 - 09/10/13 11:03 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Nothing, it is personal preference. AKs are typically more reliable for the simpler design although ARs can be just as reliable if you know who to buy from. The standard round of an AK is a 7.62x39, it will punch through concrete at one hundred yards. The standard round for an AR is 5.56x45 and an AR is typically more accurate and will land hits at a longer range. Lile the other guy said, ARs do have more options for customization but these days so do AKs although lots of people prefer the look of a stock AK iron sights and all. It's like an LSD vs Psilocybin or a indica vs stativa debate. It's fun but in the end it's all just a matter of personal choice and perceived advantage in a certain situation. Like Glock Vs Beretta. Who cares?


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Re: Anyone know if this is a fair deal for an AK47? [Re: 4runner]
    #18825881 - 09/10/13 11:20 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

yea i can't imagine using my AK as home defense in my current residence, its mostly for sport and to compensate for a small penis (and maybe practical home defense in the future). i live in an apartment in a very chill area, if my .45 and 2 full 10 round mags isn't going to help me in home defense i probably have much bigger problems that an AK won't help much. it would just be ridiculous to need to start firing an AK in a congested area because i would be damaging a dozen properties at least with a single round. there is only one way in my apartment, even with a window break-in the dynamic is no different because the windows are right next to the door. so i would only need to focus on one direction with a threat...

still even for sport. i don't really want to spend over 800 on a rifle if i don't have to, and less is preferable. that way i can end up paying less than $1,100 for a rifle and a thousand rounds. and who the fuck knows, if worse comes to worst... i'd rather have an AK for any self-defense situation that my glock won't get me out of, but i don't really want to get into that hypothetical BS as much as having a sick gun!


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Re: Anyone know if this is a fair deal for an AK47? [Re: SurReality]
    #18825907 - 09/10/13 11:29 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah, a pistol is only used to fight your way back to the rifle  :laser:

You know what a really fun rifle is?
A mosin nagant, bolt action reliable rifle that is dirt cheap and as a bonus, the ammo is everywhere and dirt cheap. You just have to remember to clean it after it has been fired.

Best bang for the buck, and you can also use the term clip instead of magazine and not sound like a retard :lol:



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Re: Anyone know if this is a fair deal for an AK47? [Re: SurReality]
    #18825983 - 09/11/13 12:07 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I think, you guys are possibly going about things wrong. The best weapon, for home defense, in my opinion, is a pump action 12 gauge. Maybe it isn't as "flashy", but there is a reason that everyone from S.W.A.T teams, to Army Rangers, carry a 12 gauge. It is one of the most, if not the most effective, close quarters, urban combat weapons.


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Re: Anyone know if this is a fair deal for an AK47? [Re: greencrush420]
    #18825998 - 09/11/13 12:17 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

How abput an SKS? same maker as AK and they are pretty cheap



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    #18826047 - 09/11/13 12:36 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

SKS have piston reliability issues IME.  The gasket gives out, leaving you with lots of stovepipes.  But there are fixes.  I used a metal gasket on the last one it worked wonders.

OP I wouldn't pay that much for an AK.  That's a ripoff and I'm pretty sure the ones from that site are the Romanian AKs.  Best avoided.  I could be wrong on which one they actually carry but either way avoid Romanian AKs.


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Re: Anyone know if this is a fair deal for an AK47? [Re: greencrush420]
    #18826064 - 09/11/13 12:41 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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I think, you guys are possibly going about things wrong. The best weapon, for home defense, in my opinion, is a pump action 12 gauge. Maybe it isn't as "flashy", but there is a reason that everyone from S.W.A.T teams, to Army Rangers, carry a 12 gauge. It is one of the most, if not the most effective, close quarters, urban combat weapons.




i don't think a shotgun is the standard weapon of a SWAT team, i'm not surprised if they use it because they are a team and probably carry multiple guns in their armored vehicles.

unless you get a fancy shot gun, it has very little range. plus i think shot guns have maybe six shots.

besides, i'm not getting this just for home-defense. i am getting it because it is flashy and to enjoy. i have nothing against shotguns tho, i enjoy shooting some skeet too.


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    #18826136 - 09/11/13 01:03 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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I think, you guys are possibly going about things wrong. The best weapon, for home defense, in my opinion, is a pump action 12 gauge. Maybe it isn't as "flashy", but there is a reason that everyone from S.W.A.T teams, to Army Rangers, carry a 12 gauge. It is one of the most, if not the most effective, close quarters, urban combat weapons.




i don't think a shotgun is the standard weapon of a SWAT team, i'm not surprised if they use it because they are a team and probably carry multiple guns in their armored vehicles.

unless you get a fancy shot gun, it has very little range. plus i think shot guns have maybe six shots.

besides, i'm not getting this just for home-defense. i am getting it because it is flashy and to enjoy. i have nothing against shotguns tho, i enjoy shooting some skeet too.



I did not say, "standard weapon". Also, you do not need a long range weapon inside of a house, unless your house is big as fuck, which most are not. I carried a Benelli, once upon a time, when my job required it. Also, you are a fool if you think a "fancy shotgun" has any more range than your average shotgun, however there are accessories which can be added to increase your range, such as a choke. Shooting skeet is nothing like fighting for your life.
Also, six shots are plenty, when firing buckshot down a narrow hallway which channels your fire. If you miss, while engaged in indoor combat, using a weapon which requires you only aim in the general area of your target, you suck, and you are dead anyways. I realize you have probably played a lot of call of duty, but I am talking about real life, not a video game.
"Flashy", does not matter, when the man beside you is depending on you to cover his ass.


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Re: Anyone know if this is a fair deal for an AK47? [Re: greencrush420]
    #18826164 - 09/11/13 01:14 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

if you can't argue your point in a respectful manner please leave this thread. as i said i am not getting it for the sole purpose of self defense, i don't even intend on keeping it in my current residence. not that it matters but i don't play call of duty.

btw an AA-12 is supposed to have a 200 yard range (shotgun).

as i said i don't really want to get into the hypothetical BULLSHIT of actually needing the gun, but since i must to get your to understand and hopefully fuck off from my thread. the properties which i would possibly use it on for defense is huge and the idea would be to keep threats far away from the houses.


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Re: Anyone know if this is a fair deal for an AK47? [Re: greencrush420]
    #18826169 - 09/11/13 01:16 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Fuck that OP just needs to plant some bouncing bettys and jump around all over while shooting at the bad guy.


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    #18826173 - 09/11/13 01:18 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

:lol: da fuck is a bouncing betty?


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    #18826246 - 09/11/13 01:50 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Fuck that OP just needs to plant some bouncing bettys and jump around all over while shooting at the bad guy.



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:lol: da fuck is a bouncing betty?



A bouncing betty is a type of landmine, which was most known for it's use by Germany during world war two. These mines were know for the fact that they launched a projectile several feet into the air, which then detonated and sent lethal projectiles in every direction. The M16 mine, of which variations of are still used by U.S military personnel, was directly developed from the German bouncing betty.
Not that you care to be educated on real world application of weapons, and by the way, range is entirely dependent on the ammunition which you are firing, as well as the accessories which you rifle is equipped with. An average pump or breach action, such as a Benelli, a Mossberg, or even Rossi, properly equipped, boasts a better range that an AA12.
Also, how did you go from:
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i live in an apartment



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it would just be ridiculous to need to start firing an AK in a congested area because i would be damaging a dozen properties at least with a single round. there is only one way in my apartment



To having "a huge property" to cover? You live in an apartment building, so there is no way to prove or know that someone 200 yards away is a threat to you. They could be a fellow resident of your building, or a guest.  In addition, if there is only one way into your apartment, you should be able to cover it with a shotgun. Stop contradicting yourself.


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    #18826277 - 09/11/13 02:08 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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i don't even intend on keeping it in my current residence.

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the properties which i would possibly use it on for defense is huge and the idea would be to keep threats far away from the houses.




by this i am saying that i would never use it were i am living now but at relatives far out of town.

now kindly stop posting in this thread. you are simply arguing just to get attention. your points are not proving anything contrary to what i'm saying.

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    #18826298 - 09/11/13 02:19 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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i don't even intend on keeping it in my current residence.

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the properties which i would possibly use it on for defense is huge and the idea would be to keep threats far away from the houses.




by this i am saying that i would never use it were i am living now but at relatives far out of town.

now kindly stop posting in this thread. you are simply arguing just to get attention. your points are not proving anything contrary to what i'm saying.

good bye :wow:



Whatever dude. All I said was,
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I think, you guys are possibly going about things wrong. The best weapon, for home defense, in my opinion, is a pump action 12 gauge. Maybe it isn't as "flashy", but there is a reason that everyone from S.W.A.T teams, to Army Rangers, carry a 12 gauge. It is one of the most, if not the most effective, close quarters, urban combat weapons.




I clearly used the terms "I think", "possibly", and "in my opinion". You then stared to argue. Don't try to twist things around man, I was not the one who initiated conflict. You got butthurt over me stating my opinions, and started an argument. I just tried to gently project informative advice into the discussion. :facepalm:


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Re: Anyone know if this is a fair deal for an AK47? [Re: greencrush420]
    #18826406 - 09/11/13 03:30 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

i'm not twisting shit around. the comment you quoted was not what started anything, other than assuming i was looking for solely a home defense weapon when that was not the case.

anyway i felt you started conflict by saying i don't know shit about the real world of home defense. (again i'm not realistically considering using an AK47 for home-defense)

as well as quoting me out of context to the rest of my comment.

i apologize if you feel i started conflict, but i feel that to a third party it is clear that i was not doing any flaming or initiating an argument.


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Re: Anyone know if this is a fair deal for an AK47? [Re: SurReality]
    #18826502 - 09/11/13 04:51 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

In my experience the AR15 is a better option for a number of reasons.

Heres a quick pro/con comparison off the top of my head.

AR-15 vs Kalashnikov

-AR-15 fires more rounds per minute, 700+
-It weighs around 2 pounds less when fully loaded with a 30 round magazine

-AR-15 uses a slightly smaller round (5.56) whereas the Kalashnikov uses a 7.62 which is a slightly more powerful round but this takes away some accuracy due to recoil.

-AR-15 is usually more accurate at short and long distances compared to the Kalashnikov due to the change in trajectory angle.
but this has its own pros and cons, if the AR is strictly being used for target shooting and certain types of hunting its better but if its meant to stop a full grown human it could take a few shots. Whereas the Kalashnikov is a larger more powerful round but you pay for it with recoil.

-The AR-15 has way more companies that manufacture it so its a bit easier to get parts although it is more expensive than the Kalashnikov for the most part.

-The AR-15 has more adaptability and options for customization than the Kalashnikov although these cost a lot of money. I believe the AK lacks a mounting rack for Recoil reducers, Heat reducers and scopes/lasers and other visual assistance but Im only 50% sure bc its been a while since I shot one.
That being said, the Kalashnikov has I think almost 80 years under its belt and is the standard issue assault rifle for a lot of countries and nations.

-The AR-15 is a bit less powerful and falls a close second in terms of stopping power and muzzle velocity etc. Kalashnikovs are fucking beastly.

Thats about as much info as I can give off the top off my head.

I guess it boils down to what your looking for as far as performance and what falls in your price range

Ill tell you what though, My dream gun is a colt M1911A1 (Operator) while not a rifle or SMG, that pistol is just amazing, the fit, the weight, everything about it just kicks so much ass.
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    #18826542 - 09/11/13 05:18 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

700 rounds per minute, is this a full auto?? i'm not considering getting full auto yet.

maybe i'm just not experienced enough with shooting yet, but i prefer to place each shot which i think would me very difficult doing while holding down the trigger and dealing with recoil.


also price range is the main factor, AR15 seems more of a second rifle for if i have more money later.

also M+M's M10 i posted has rails, so i am assuming there should be accessories... i'm not sure if the rails are universal, but my understanding is that rails for accessories are mostly universal.


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    #18826566 - 09/11/13 05:28 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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    #18826578 - 09/11/13 05:33 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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I got my first gun, a 4-10,




It seems someone that actually owned one would know that it's a ".410", not a "4-10".


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Re: Anyone know if this is a fair deal for an AK47? [Re: SurReality]
    #18826588 - 09/11/13 05:38 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

First off, both AK-47's and AR-15's are Semi-Auto.

Second off, the majority of rounds an AK-47 shoots are steel casing rounds. WHICH ARE COMPLETE SHIT.

I personally think of the AK-47 to be the shitty gun that will constantly give you problems. The recoil is too much compared to the AR-15. The AK might shoot a larger round, but the accuracy with an AR-15 just destroys the AK.

www.armslist.com check that website out, VERY good deals on used firearms in your town. Buddy picked up an AR-15 for $650 off there last year. Since then he has added about $400 in mods to it and it has been the best AR-15 I have shot so far.


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    #18829364 - 09/11/13 07:04 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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I got my first gun, a 4-10,




It seems someone that actually owned one would know that it's a ".410", not a "4-10".



You left off a bit there buddy, and I don't care what it seems like to you.
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    #18829467 - 09/11/13 07:25 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I've shot thousands of steel cased wolf and tula rounds through an ak. I have yet to experience a shit round, or a problem with my ak.


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    #18841317 - 09/14/13 02:50 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Where are you from?


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    #18841561 - 09/14/13 04:21 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

If your going to get an ak OP please dont buy some shit chinese one. Go to a gunshow, and find yourself a nice Romanian ak.


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Re: Anyone know if this is a fair deal for an AK47? [Re: xpl0de]
    #18841841 - 09/14/13 06:05 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

most are romanian, i have not even seen chinese ones on the market. but yea the one in my OP is romanian i believe... although i fucked up some that will cost me all my money for about a week so i won't be getting one as soon as i was planning.


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Re: Anyone know if this is a fair deal for an AK47? [Re: SurReality]
    #18886823 - 09/24/13 09:25 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

anyone know if there is a way to easily change scopes/sights? i want to be able to shoot over 100 yards over my rents field, as well as around 30 yards without having to remove anything from the gun... also it does have 4 rails, but i can not image having a sight on the side of the gun--assuming that are for accessories not related to aiming...


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Re: Anyone know if this is a fair deal for an AK47? [Re: SurReality]
    #18886830 - 09/24/13 09:27 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

how are you planning to get this through customs?


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Re: Anyone know if this is a fair deal for an AK47? [Re: mr sniffles]
    #18886834 - 09/24/13 09:29 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

what country are you from? i'm american buddy.

anyway old thread, i just figured i should just keep this going since i'm talking about the same thing just about sights for it...


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Re: Anyone know if this is a fair deal for an AK47? [Re: SurReality]
    #18886842 - 09/24/13 09:32 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I'd use a snap sight, you can still aim down range about as far as I would expect to be able to make a steady shot


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Re: Anyone know if this is a fair deal for an AK47? [Re: Repertoire89]
    #18886858 - 09/24/13 09:37 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

i'm not sure what a snap sight is, i looked it up real quick but seem to find a variety of sights so i guess i'll actually have to do some reading to figure it out lol..

can you elaborate?

more specifically, i want to be able to switch from a red dot sight to a powerful scope... but if i have to detach it every time i want to change between ranges i will have to sight them in as well...


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Re: Anyone know if this is a fair deal for an AK47? [Re: SurReality]
    #18886876 - 09/24/13 09:42 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: Anyone know if this is a fair deal for an AK47? [Re: 4runner]
    #18886907 - 09/24/13 09:50 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

interesting. maybe i need a new prescription lenses because i would not be able to see a one inch group with my current glasses.

i'm pretty convinced he must have exceptional vision... thanks for that though. maybe scopes/sight are unnecessary, although with a red dot you hardly even have to think about where/how you are aiming to get accurate shots.


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Re: Anyone know if this is a fair deal for an AK47? [Re: SurReality]
    #18886917 - 09/24/13 09:53 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)



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Re: Anyone know if this is a fair deal for an AK47? [Re: SurReality]
    #18886922 - 09/24/13 09:54 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Snap sight



It might suck at long ranges but it won't prevent you from hitting anything, and its versatile. Definitely not for everyone, but unless I was going out of my way to snipe someone and had all my shit planned out I would go with a snap sight personally


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Re: Anyone know if this is a fair deal for an AK47? [Re: Repertoire89]
    #18886937 - 09/24/13 09:59 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: Anyone know if this is a fair deal for an AK47? [Re: Repertoire89]
    #18886949 - 09/24/13 10:01 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

yea it seems way better than the standard rifle sight that you can see in the front there. but i am interested in shooting over 100 yards, like 200 yards or even further, i mean it can definitely shoot that distance with accuracy so why limit myself to what 20/20 vision allows? i probably actually barely have 20/20 with my glasses on actually but anyway...


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Re: Anyone know if this is a fair deal for an AK47? [Re: ChRnZN]
    #18886972 - 09/24/13 10:08 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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amateur




lol idk if your talking about me, but i don't claim to be a gun pro. its just a fun hobby i'm getting into, plus there's a lot more to shooting than just going to the range and shooting off hundreds of dollars in ammo... between casting bullets and reloading its like i found a new amazing drug i can extract in order to cut the costs of my experimentation... :psychsplit:


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Re: Anyone know if this is a fair deal for an AK47? [Re: SurReality] * 1
    #18886991 - 09/24/13 10:12 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

i have no idea what i am talking about



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Re: Anyone know if this is a fair deal for an AK47? [Re: ChRnZN]
    #18887005 - 09/24/13 10:17 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

fair enough, i really just was just posting here to get pris' input. i tend to get quicker and better gun info here from him than on gun forums. lol

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Re: Anyone know if this is a fair deal for an AK47? [Re: SurReality]
    #18887007 - 09/24/13 10:18 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: Anyone know if this is a fair deal for an AK47? [Re: ChRnZN]
    #18887314 - 09/24/13 11:24 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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amateur




Yes I am an amateur and have no reason to own a long-range scope as I wouldn't even be able to hit anything out or range of the snap sight. Practically speaking I don't have use for a long range set-up

Not exactly special forces here :lol:


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Re: Anyone know if this is a fair deal for an AK47? [Re: Repertoire89]
    #18887550 - 09/25/13 12:48 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)



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Re: Anyone know if this is a fair deal for an AK47? [Re: ChRnZN]
    #18887560 - 09/25/13 12:58 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I can just smell the freedom coming


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Re: Anyone know if this is a fair deal for an AK47? [Re: Repertoire89]
    #18887567 - 09/25/13 01:00 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

freedom is not a smell it is a state of mind
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    #18887569 - 09/25/13 01:01 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Then what's that smell?


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Re: Anyone know if this is a fair deal for an AK47? [Re: Repertoire89]
    #18887574 - 09/25/13 01:02 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

lol, the funny thing is i actually ended up finding a deal on one of those M4 AR15's just like in that pic and i'm picking it up by the end of the week :grin:

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Re: Anyone know if this is a fair deal for an AK47? [Re: Repertoire89]
    #18887576 - 09/25/13 01:03 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

My friend paid 50 bucks for a traditional ak-47... But that was when he was in Afghanistan :grin:


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Re: Anyone know if this is a fair deal for an AK47? [Re: danlennon3]
    #18887579 - 09/25/13 01:05 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)



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    #18887606 - 09/25/13 01:15 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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My friend paid 50 bucks for a traditional ak-47... But that was when he was in Afghanistan :grin:




did he bring it back to the states? that's pretty sweet, i bet people make a fucking killing bringing guns from those types of countries to the US.  buying 10 AK's for 50 bucks a piece and bring em here and selling them for 400+ as a deal would more than pay for a round trip ticket...


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