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Re: Anyone know if this is a fair deal for an AK47? [Re: luvdemboomers]
#18825665 - 09/10/13 10:18 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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luvdemboomers said: Dude just get an AR, they're better guns. You can find one for 600-700, atleast last I checked.
what makes an AR a better gun? there are somethings people like more about them, but overall the consensus is that AK is far more reliable and powerful.
Better probably wasn't the best choice of a word.
I like AR's because of how customizable they are. If you don't like something (trigger for example) parts are much more readily available to tailor it to your liking. They also are more generally more accurate and have a flatter trajectory. For someone that likes shooting for fun, or even a home defense weapon, I think the AR makes more sense. If you keep your guns clean and lubed, reliability shouldn't be an issue.
You sounds like you really don't know what you are talking about.
Aftermarket pats are available for everything.
Oh yeah, and you said an AR is a good home defense weapon. I will grant you that it is, if you have a huge amount of property and you see the intruder coming at you way off in the distance. Neither is "great" nor even "good" for in home defense.
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Re: Anyone know if this is a fair deal for an AK47? [Re: SurReality]
#18825828 - 09/10/13 11:03 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Nothing, it is personal preference. AKs are typically more reliable for the simpler design although ARs can be just as reliable if you know who to buy from. The standard round of an AK is a 7.62x39, it will punch through concrete at one hundred yards. The standard round for an AR is 5.56x45 and an AR is typically more accurate and will land hits at a longer range. Lile the other guy said, ARs do have more options for customization but these days so do AKs although lots of people prefer the look of a stock AK iron sights and all. It's like an LSD vs Psilocybin or a indica vs stativa debate. It's fun but in the end it's all just a matter of personal choice and perceived advantage in a certain situation. Like Glock Vs Beretta. Who cares?
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Re: Anyone know if this is a fair deal for an AK47? [Re: 4runner]
#18825881 - 09/10/13 11:20 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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yea i can't imagine using my AK as home defense in my current residence, its mostly for sport and to compensate for a small penis (and maybe practical home defense in the future). i live in an apartment in a very chill area, if my .45 and 2 full 10 round mags isn't going to help me in home defense i probably have much bigger problems that an AK won't help much. it would just be ridiculous to need to start firing an AK in a congested area because i would be damaging a dozen properties at least with a single round. there is only one way in my apartment, even with a window break-in the dynamic is no different because the windows are right next to the door. so i would only need to focus on one direction with a threat...
still even for sport. i don't really want to spend over 800 on a rifle if i don't have to, and less is preferable. that way i can end up paying less than $1,100 for a rifle and a thousand rounds. and who the fuck knows, if worse comes to worst... i'd rather have an AK for any self-defense situation that my glock won't get me out of, but i don't really want to get into that hypothetical BS as much as having a sick gun!
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Re: Anyone know if this is a fair deal for an AK47? [Re: SurReality]
#18825907 - 09/10/13 11:29 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yeah, a pistol is only used to fight your way back to the rifle
You know what a really fun rifle is? A mosin nagant, bolt action reliable rifle that is dirt cheap and as a bonus, the ammo is everywhere and dirt cheap. You just have to remember to clean it after it has been fired.
Best bang for the buck, and you can also use the term clip instead of magazine and not sound like a retard 
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Re: Anyone know if this is a fair deal for an AK47? [Re: SurReality]
#18825983 - 09/11/13 12:07 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I think, you guys are possibly going about things wrong. The best weapon, for home defense, in my opinion, is a pump action 12 gauge. Maybe it isn't as "flashy", but there is a reason that everyone from S.W.A.T teams, to Army Rangers, carry a 12 gauge. It is one of the most, if not the most effective, close quarters, urban combat weapons.
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Re: Anyone know if this is a fair deal for an AK47? [Re: greencrush420]
#18825998 - 09/11/13 12:17 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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How abput an SKS? same maker as AK and they are pretty cheap
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Re: Anyone know if this is a fair deal for an AK47? [Re: Shins]
#18826047 - 09/11/13 12:36 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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SKS have piston reliability issues IME. The gasket gives out, leaving you with lots of stovepipes. But there are fixes. I used a metal gasket on the last one it worked wonders.
OP I wouldn't pay that much for an AK. That's a ripoff and I'm pretty sure the ones from that site are the Romanian AKs. Best avoided. I could be wrong on which one they actually carry but either way avoid Romanian AKs.
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Re: Anyone know if this is a fair deal for an AK47? [Re: greencrush420]
#18826064 - 09/11/13 12:41 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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greencrush420 said: I think, you guys are possibly going about things wrong. The best weapon, for home defense, in my opinion, is a pump action 12 gauge. Maybe it isn't as "flashy", but there is a reason that everyone from S.W.A.T teams, to Army Rangers, carry a 12 gauge. It is one of the most, if not the most effective, close quarters, urban combat weapons.
i don't think a shotgun is the standard weapon of a SWAT team, i'm not surprised if they use it because they are a team and probably carry multiple guns in their armored vehicles.
unless you get a fancy shot gun, it has very little range. plus i think shot guns have maybe six shots.
besides, i'm not getting this just for home-defense. i am getting it because it is flashy and to enjoy. i have nothing against shotguns tho, i enjoy shooting some skeet too.
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Re: Anyone know if this is a fair deal for an AK47? [Re: SurReality]
#18826136 - 09/11/13 01:03 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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greencrush420 said: I think, you guys are possibly going about things wrong. The best weapon, for home defense, in my opinion, is a pump action 12 gauge. Maybe it isn't as "flashy", but there is a reason that everyone from S.W.A.T teams, to Army Rangers, carry a 12 gauge. It is one of the most, if not the most effective, close quarters, urban combat weapons.
i don't think a shotgun is the standard weapon of a SWAT team, i'm not surprised if they use it because they are a team and probably carry multiple guns in their armored vehicles.
unless you get a fancy shot gun, it has very little range. plus i think shot guns have maybe six shots.
besides, i'm not getting this just for home-defense. i am getting it because it is flashy and to enjoy. i have nothing against shotguns tho, i enjoy shooting some skeet too.
I did not say, "standard weapon". Also, you do not need a long range weapon inside of a house, unless your house is big as fuck, which most are not. I carried a Benelli, once upon a time, when my job required it. Also, you are a fool if you think a "fancy shotgun" has any more range than your average shotgun, however there are accessories which can be added to increase your range, such as a choke. Shooting skeet is nothing like fighting for your life. Also, six shots are plenty, when firing buckshot down a narrow hallway which channels your fire. If you miss, while engaged in indoor combat, using a weapon which requires you only aim in the general area of your target, you suck, and you are dead anyways. I realize you have probably played a lot of call of duty, but I am talking about real life, not a video game. "Flashy", does not matter, when the man beside you is depending on you to cover his ass.
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Re: Anyone know if this is a fair deal for an AK47? [Re: greencrush420]
#18826164 - 09/11/13 01:14 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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if you can't argue your point in a respectful manner please leave this thread. as i said i am not getting it for the sole purpose of self defense, i don't even intend on keeping it in my current residence. not that it matters but i don't play call of duty.
btw an AA-12 is supposed to have a 200 yard range (shotgun).
as i said i don't really want to get into the hypothetical BULLSHIT of actually needing the gun, but since i must to get your to understand and hopefully fuck off from my thread. the properties which i would possibly use it on for defense is huge and the idea would be to keep threats far away from the houses.
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Re: Anyone know if this is a fair deal for an AK47? [Re: greencrush420]
#18826169 - 09/11/13 01:16 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Fuck that OP just needs to plant some bouncing bettys and jump around all over while shooting at the bad guy.
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Re: Anyone know if this is a fair deal for an AK47? [Re: abltsandwich]
#18826173 - 09/11/13 01:18 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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da fuck is a bouncing betty?
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Re: Anyone know if this is a fair deal for an AK47? [Re: SurReality]
#18826246 - 09/11/13 01:50 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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da fuck is a bouncing betty?
A bouncing betty is a type of landmine, which was most known for it's use by Germany during world war two. These mines were know for the fact that they launched a projectile several feet into the air, which then detonated and sent lethal projectiles in every direction. The M16 mine, of which variations of are still used by U.S military personnel, was directly developed from the German bouncing betty. Not that you care to be educated on real world application of weapons, and by the way, range is entirely dependent on the ammunition which you are firing, as well as the accessories which you rifle is equipped with. An average pump or breach action, such as a Benelli, a Mossberg, or even Rossi, properly equipped, boasts a better range that an AA12. Also, how did you go from:
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it would just be ridiculous to need to start firing an AK in a congested area because i would be damaging a dozen properties at least with a single round. there is only one way in my apartment
To having "a huge property" to cover? You live in an apartment building, so there is no way to prove or know that someone 200 yards away is a threat to you. They could be a fellow resident of your building, or a guest. In addition, if there is only one way into your apartment, you should be able to cover it with a shotgun. Stop contradicting yourself.
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Re: Anyone know if this is a fair deal for an AK47? [Re: SurReality] 1
#18826277 - 09/11/13 02:08 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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the properties which i would possibly use it on for defense is huge and the idea would be to keep threats far away from the houses.
by this i am saying that i would never use it were i am living now but at relatives far out of town.
now kindly stop posting in this thread. you are simply arguing just to get attention. your points are not proving anything contrary to what i'm saying.
good bye
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Re: Anyone know if this is a fair deal for an AK47? [Re: SurReality]
#18826298 - 09/11/13 02:19 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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SurReality said: i don't even intend on keeping it in my current residence.
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the properties which i would possibly use it on for defense is huge and the idea would be to keep threats far away from the houses.
by this i am saying that i would never use it were i am living now but at relatives far out of town.
now kindly stop posting in this thread. you are simply arguing just to get attention. your points are not proving anything contrary to what i'm saying.
good bye 
Whatever dude. All I said was,
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I think, you guys are possibly going about things wrong. The best weapon, for home defense, in my opinion, is a pump action 12 gauge. Maybe it isn't as "flashy", but there is a reason that everyone from S.W.A.T teams, to Army Rangers, carry a 12 gauge. It is one of the most, if not the most effective, close quarters, urban combat weapons.
I clearly used the terms "I think", "possibly", and "in my opinion". You then stared to argue. Don't try to twist things around man, I was not the one who initiated conflict. You got butthurt over me stating my opinions, and started an argument. I just tried to gently project informative advice into the discussion.
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Re: Anyone know if this is a fair deal for an AK47? [Re: greencrush420]
#18826406 - 09/11/13 03:30 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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i'm not twisting shit around. the comment you quoted was not what started anything, other than assuming i was looking for solely a home defense weapon when that was not the case.
anyway i felt you started conflict by saying i don't know shit about the real world of home defense. (again i'm not realistically considering using an AK47 for home-defense)
as well as quoting me out of context to the rest of my comment.
i apologize if you feel i started conflict, but i feel that to a third party it is clear that i was not doing any flaming or initiating an argument.
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Re: Anyone know if this is a fair deal for an AK47? [Re: SurReality]
#18826502 - 09/11/13 04:51 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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In my experience the AR15 is a better option for a number of reasons.
Heres a quick pro/con comparison off the top of my head.
AR-15 vs Kalashnikov
-AR-15 fires more rounds per minute, 700+ -It weighs around 2 pounds less when fully loaded with a 30 round magazine
-AR-15 uses a slightly smaller round (5.56) whereas the Kalashnikov uses a 7.62 which is a slightly more powerful round but this takes away some accuracy due to recoil.
-AR-15 is usually more accurate at short and long distances compared to the Kalashnikov due to the change in trajectory angle. but this has its own pros and cons, if the AR is strictly being used for target shooting and certain types of hunting its better but if its meant to stop a full grown human it could take a few shots. Whereas the Kalashnikov is a larger more powerful round but you pay for it with recoil.
-The AR-15 has way more companies that manufacture it so its a bit easier to get parts although it is more expensive than the Kalashnikov for the most part.
-The AR-15 has more adaptability and options for customization than the Kalashnikov although these cost a lot of money. I believe the AK lacks a mounting rack for Recoil reducers, Heat reducers and scopes/lasers and other visual assistance but Im only 50% sure bc its been a while since I shot one. That being said, the Kalashnikov has I think almost 80 years under its belt and is the standard issue assault rifle for a lot of countries and nations.
-The AR-15 is a bit less powerful and falls a close second in terms of stopping power and muzzle velocity etc. Kalashnikovs are fucking beastly.
Thats about as much info as I can give off the top off my head.
I guess it boils down to what your looking for as far as performance and what falls in your price range
Ill tell you what though, My dream gun is a colt M1911A1 (Operator) while not a rifle or SMG, that pistol is just amazing, the fit, the weight, everything about it just kicks so much ass.
 Hope this helped at least a little.
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Re: Anyone know if this is a fair deal for an AK47? [Re: Demonic_Chronic]
#18826542 - 09/11/13 05:18 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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700 rounds per minute, is this a full auto?? i'm not considering getting full auto yet.
maybe i'm just not experienced enough with shooting yet, but i prefer to place each shot which i think would me very difficult doing while holding down the trigger and dealing with recoil.
also price range is the main factor, AR15 seems more of a second rifle for if i have more money later.
also M+M's M10 i posted has rails, so i am assuming there should be accessories... i'm not sure if the rails are universal, but my understanding is that rails for accessories are mostly universal.
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Re: Anyone know if this is a fair deal for an AK47? [Re: SurReality]
#18826566 - 09/11/13 05:28 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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here a review on what i'm looking at getting...
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Re: Anyone know if this is a fair deal for an AK47? [Re: greencrush420]
#18826578 - 09/11/13 05:33 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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greencrush420 said: I got my first gun, a 4-10,
It seems someone that actually owned one would know that it's a ".410", not a "4-10".
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