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Reports say U.S. military agency cracked most online encryption
    #18819304 - 09/09/13 03:22 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

http://www.ottawacitizen.com/technology/Report+military+agency+cracked+most+online+encryption+used/8875081/story.html



Reports say U.S. military agency cracked most online encryption


By Jack Gillum, The Associated Press

WASHINGTON - The National Security Agency, working with the British government, has secretly been unravelling encryption technology that billions of Internet users rely upon to keep their electronic messages and confidential data safe from prying eyes, according to published reports Thursday based on internal U.S. government documents.

The NSA has bypassed or altogether cracked much of the digital encryption used by businesses and everyday web users, according to reports in the New York Times, Britain's Guardian newspaper and the non-profit news website ProPublica. The reports describe how the NSA invested billions of dollars since 2000 to make nearly everyone's secrets available for government consumption.

In doing so, the NSA built powerful supercomputers to break encryption codes and partnered with unnamed technology companies to insert "back doors" into their software, the reports said. Such a practice would give the government access to users' digital information before it was encrypted and sent over the Internet.

"For the past decade, NSA has led an aggressive, multipronged effort to break widely used Internet encryption technologies," according to a 2010 briefing document about the NSA's accomplishments meant for its UK counterpart, Government Communications Headquarters, or GCHQ. Security experts told the news organizations such a code-breaking practice would ultimately undermine Internet security and leave everyday Web users vulnerable to hackers.

The revelations stem from documents leaked by former NSA contractor Edward Snowden, who sought asylum in Russia this summer. His leaks, first published by the Guardian, revealed a massive effort by the U.S. government to collect and analyze all sorts of digital data that Americans send at home and around the world.

Those revelations prompted a renewed debate in the United States about the proper balance between civil liberties and keeping the country safe from terrorists. President Barack Obama said he welcomed the debate and called it "healthy for our democracy" but meanwhile criticized the leaks; the Justice Department charged Snowden under the federal Espionage Act.

Thursday's reports described how some of the NSA's "most intensive efforts" focused on Secure Sockets Layer, a type of encryption widely used on the Web by online retailers and corporate networks to secure their Internet traffic. One document said GCHQ had been trying for years to exploit traffic from popular companies like Google, Yahoo, Microsoft and Facebook.

GCHQ, they said, developed "new access opportunities" into Google's computers by 2012 but said the newly released documents didn't elaborate on how extensive the project was or what kind of data it could access.

Even though the latest document disclosures suggest the NSA is able to compromise many encryption programs, Snowden himself touted using encryption software when he first surfaced with his media revelations in June.

During a Web chat organized by the Guardian on June 17, Snowden told one questioner that "encryption works." Snowden said that "properly implemented strong crypto systems" were reliable, but he then alluded to the NSA's capability to crack tough encryption systems. "Unfortunately, endpoint security is so terrifically weak that NSA can frequently find ways around it," Snowden said.

It was unclear if Snowden drew a distinction between everyday encryption used on the Internet — the kind described in Thursday's reports — versus more-secure encryption algorithms used to store data on hard drives and often requires more processing power to break or decode. Snowden used an encrypted email account from a now-closed private email company, Lavabit, when he sent out invitations to a mid-July meeting at Moscow's Sheremetyevo International Airport.

The operator of Lavabit LLC, Ladar Levison, suspended operations of the encrypted mail service in August, citing a pending "fight in the 4th (U.S.) Circuit Court of Appeals." Levison did not explain the pressures that forced him to shut the firm down but added that "a favourable decision would allow me to resurrect Lavabit as an American company."

The government asked the news organizations not to publish their stories, saying foreign enemies would switch to new forms of communication and make it harder for the NSA to break. The organizations removed some specific details but still published the story, they said, because of the "value of a public debate regarding government actions that weaken the most powerful tools for protecting the privacy of Americans and others."

Such tensions between government officials and journalists, while not new, have become more apparent since Snowden's leaks. Last month, Guardian editor Alan Rusbridger said that British government officials came by his newspaper's London offices to destroy hard drives containing leaked information. "You've had your debate," one UK official told him. "There's no need to write any more."




This isn't good for Tor.


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Re: Reports say U.S. military agency cracked most online encryption [Re: Psilopsychosis]
    #18819342 - 09/09/13 03:35 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

1984 has arrived.

This quote in particular really bothers me
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"You've had your debate," one UK official told him. "There's no need to write any more."




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Re: Reports say U.S. military agency cracked most online encryption [Re: Psilopsychosis]
    #18819353 - 09/09/13 03:39 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

meh other methods will be created to maintain privacy


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Re: Reports say U.S. military agency cracked most online encryption [Re: i like cow poo]
    #18819363 - 09/09/13 03:42 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

i like cow poo said:
meh other methods will be created to maintain privacy



This. Look at the ratio of military to citizens. There's no fucking way they can track or even house all the people using any form of encryption. Not to mention it just wouldn't be practical.


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Re: Reports say U.S. military agency cracked most online encryption [Re: Camwritesgonzo]
    #18819538 - 09/09/13 04:28 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

That may be true but it doesn't change the fact that privacy technology like pgp and maybe tor are probably not as safe as we would like to believe.


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Re: Reports say U.S. military agency cracked most online encryption [Re: Camwritesgonzo] * 1
    #18819543 - 09/09/13 04:29 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Camwritesgonzo said:
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i like cow poo said:
meh other methods will be created to maintain privacy



This. Look at the ratio of military to citizens. There's no fucking way they can track or even house all the people using any form of encryption. Not to mention it just wouldn't be practical.




okay, but now let's talk about how practical it is for every citizen to learn how to securely encrypt their day-to-day data needs.  this isn't even accounting for the further need to stay vigilant with any news regarding our own government's attempt to undermine its own citizen's privacy.


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Re: Reports say U.S. military agency cracked most online encryption [Re: Psilopsychosis]
    #18819621 - 09/09/13 04:47 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

As far as SR is concerned, I haven't heard of any arrests made from this and until that happens consider the threat speculative.


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Re: Reports say U.S. military agency cracked most online encryption [Re: Repertoire89]
    #18819683 - 09/09/13 05:01 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I knew this all a long and always told people who use encryption that they are stupid and only making themselves more visible to those in gov that want to spy. It's pretty well known that this is what the gov does, crack encryptions.....


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Re: Reports say U.S. military agency cracked most online encryption [Re: MrShroom]
    #18819693 - 09/09/13 05:03 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

MrShroom said:
I knew this all a long and always told people who use encryption that they are stupid and only making themselves more visible to those in gov that want to spy.




You knew what? There is no evidence provided to corroborate that


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Re: Reports say U.S. military agency cracked most online encryption [Re: Psilopsychosis]
    #18820031 - 09/09/13 06:29 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Hm, this is disturbing.


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Re: Reports say U.S. military agency cracked most online encryption [Re: Repertoire89]
    #18820045 - 09/09/13 06:33 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Even if they did crack tor. They absolutely have not cracked PGP. So unless I'm missing something shouldn't SR still be relatively safe? Maybe they would be able to see that you clicked "order" on something idk.


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Re: Reports say U.S. military agency cracked most online encryption [Re: Repertoire89] * 2
    #18820099 - 09/09/13 06:43 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Repertoire89 said:
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MrShroom said:
I knew this all a long and always told people who use encryption that they are stupid and only making themselves more visible to those in gov that want to spy.




You knew what? There is no evidence provided to corroborate that



Yes, I did know it, and it was pretty fucking obvious.
JUST TO STATE IT IN CLEAR CAPITAL LETTERS FOR PEOPLE
I UNDERSTOOD THAT THE GOVERNMENT HAS BEEN CRACKING ENCRYPTION FOR A VERY LONG TIME.    THAT IS WHAT I KNEW. IS THAT CLEAR ENOUGH FOR YOU TO UNDERSTAND?


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Re: Reports say U.S. military agency cracked most online encryption [Re: MrShroom]
    #18820125 - 09/09/13 06:49 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

:popcorn:


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Re: Reports say U.S. military agency cracked most online encryption [Re: Camwritesgonzo]
    #18820561 - 09/09/13 08:13 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Even givin this artical, is there any thread on here that explains how to use tor and all that jazz to surf the web securely?


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Re: Reports say U.S. military agency cracked most online encryption [Re: huffinglue]
    #18820707 - 09/09/13 08:40 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Wanted to post a good follow-up article from MIT in response to this:

The NSA hasn't "cracked" encryption... it has just reminded us of the ways around it.

http://www.technologyreview.com/news/519171/nsa-leak-leaves-crypto-math-intact-but-highlights-known-workarounds/?utm_campaign=socialsync&utm_medium=social-post&utm_source=facebook

"NSA Leak Leaves Crypto-Math Intact but Highlights Known Workarounds

New details of the NSA’s capabilities suggest encryption can still be trusted. But more effort is needed to fix problems with how it is used."


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Re: Reports say U.S. military agency cracked most online encryption [Re: Psilopsychosis]
    #18820728 - 09/09/13 08:42 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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d0urd3n said:
Even if they did crack tor. They absolutely have not cracked PGP.



Actually, PGP is one of the ones they cracked. Frankly, the security industry has known for a while that these things are vulnerable. Everyone should have converted to much more advanced forms of encryption a long time ago.

The main thing to remember is that all of the communications (outside TOR) that all of you have sent online (including your posts on this website) can be and may have been read or recorded by the NSA. That includes all your e-mails, all the order forms you filled out, all your bank information, everything you ever typed into a box on the internet, everything. They cracked all of the most common and most important stuff.


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Re: Reports say U.S. military agency cracked most online encryption [Re: MrShroom]
    #18820956 - 09/09/13 09:33 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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MrShroom said:
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Repertoire89 said:
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MrShroom said:
I knew this all a long and always told people who use encryption that they are stupid and only making themselves more visible to those in gov that want to spy.




You knew what? There is no evidence provided to corroborate that



Yes, I did know it, and it was pretty fucking obvious.
JUST TO STATE IT IN CLEAR CAPITAL LETTERS FOR PEOPLE
I UNDERSTOOD THAT THE GOVERNMENT HAS BEEN CRACKING ENCRYPTION FOR A VERY LONG TIME.    THAT IS WHAT I KNEW. IS THAT CLEAR ENOUGH FOR YOU TO UNDERSTAND?




Word, whenever a cops told me they knew this or that I just kept my mouth shut. Got a clean record so far. Did you know 3/4 murders go unsolved in the USA? Almighty Uncle Sam

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Re: Reports say U.S. military agency cracked most online encryption [Re: nooneman]
    #18820969 - 09/09/13 09:36 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Conflicting reports. I heard they had only cracked https, but not PGP encryption. I agree that its speculative.

But... If using this capability to spy on other countries is the primary goal here, I don't doubt that they will continue to keep the financial flood gates open until its achieved. From there, it could be used internally, sure. But we will only truly know when that time has come when arrests start to leak.

   
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i like cow poo said:
    meh other methods will be created to maintain privacy





I believe this is also true. No one side will ever completely dominate the other.


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Re: Reports say U.S. military agency cracked most online encryption [Re: DustJuice]
    #18821547 - 09/10/13 12:34 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Can we seriously start a rebellion? im tired of my corrupt government breaking laws and taking away my freedoms


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Re: Reports say U.S. military agency cracked most online encryption [Re: Brakepad]
    #18821650 - 09/10/13 01:17 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

You get the people and I'll bring lunch for everyone.


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