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Re: atheism is small minded. [Re: shivas.wisdom] * 2
    #18819741 - 09/09/13 05:17 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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what about near death experiences?

consciousness continuing through periods of zero EEG activity seems to suggest something beyond the physical brain




It suggests to me that somebody should invent a better EEG. Seriously, a device that detects electrical activity of an organ through layers of brain, fat, skin and skull is a pretty crude instrument.


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Re: atheism is small minded. [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #18819758 - 09/09/13 05:22 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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what about near death experiences?

consciousness continuing through periods of zero EEG activity seems to suggest something beyond the physical brain




What about them?

No it doesn't, it seems to suggest that we either don't know as much about brain activity as we thought, or that certain manufacturers suck at making EEG machines. In no concrete or empirical way does it suggest that consciousness resides externally of the mind.

Not to mention that all three of the articles I've read where what you're describing was said to have happened ended up having holes and discrepancies that called the credibility of the story into question, so I'm not even convinced such a thing has really taken place.


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Re: atheism is small minded. [Re: RiderOnTheStorm]
    #18819795 - 09/09/13 05:28 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

But I'll accept your premise for a moment and allow for the fact that there was for a short period zero brain activity. You still need to demonstrate that this experience occurred during that short time frame, and there is really nobody available to testify to the time frame - the only witness was dead.


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Re: atheism is small minded. [Re: Fire is Born]
    #18819799 - 09/09/13 05:30 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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It's not faith your feeling, it's community. More so conformity. But that description gave us no indication of why you believe in a god other than it feels good to lie to myself.




No offense Mr. Klick but it sounds like you didn't even read my post. What I said has nothing to do with religion, scripture or going to church. It deals with personal practice of cultivating internal feelings of well-being though positive and fantastic thinking.

Lie to myself? So if I chose to look at a glass as being half full I'm lying to myself? It's really half empty right? :rolleyes:

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Not really. Plenty of people are happy all the time and don't believe in God.  A lot of religious people are extremely unhappy as well. So I do not agree with you.  That was just a generalization.  I can shkw you many depressed and suicidal religous types, angry womanizers and rapists....




I'm not saying you need to have faith to be happy. I certainly don't believe in God as an objective quantifiable phenomenon, no more than unicorns and fairies. However I certainly enjoy the positive effects of this subjective, psychological phenomenon.

What I'm saying is that faith is a practice of the mind that a person can use to cultivate feelings of well-being. It's not the only way to do it. Just one of many. Unfortunately these days people are only concerned with learning what to think, rather than how to think. Knowledge is useless without a way of managing/applying it.

Anyone who argues over whether or not God is "real" have lost the plot completely. God is no more or less real than Homer Simpson.


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Re: atheism is small minded. [Re: Dawks]
    #18819836 - 09/09/13 05:40 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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So if I chose to look at a glass as being half full I'm lying to myself? It's really half empty right?




The problem is there is no glass.


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Re: atheism is small minded. [Re: koods]
    #18819854 - 09/09/13 05:45 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: atheism is small minded. [Re: koods]
    #18819918 - 09/09/13 06:04 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Are you legally retarted?  So tell me Mr. All Knowing what happens after death?  If you're wrong I hope you know you're stupid.




Ooo! Ooh! I know! It is actually VERY well documented. Your body decomposes, and all the little connections that made you who you were crumble. Your body ceases to exist and since your mind and your consciousness are merely a manifestation of the way atoms and molecules were organized in said body, your mind ceases to function and your consciousness simply vanishes. There is absolutely no evidence to believe anything else. Of course, you WANT to believe that can't possibly be true, but it appears to be.

So, you better make the most of this life, because you don't get any more.




I am not entirely in agreement. The way you describe consciousness is as something that arises out from the atoms and molecules, that it can be destroyed and created, joining and leaving existence.
Not saying that is not possible, it seems so, but it does require an explanation.




Consciousness, self awareness, personality - whatever you wish to call it - is clearly nothing but a property of the brain and there is all of human history to back that claim up. Damage to the brain alters these things in demonstrable AND predictable ways. Enough damage, and they cease to exist.

It may be a difficult idea to understand or accept, but that doesn't mean it isn't true,



Mind or consciousness is a phenomena to do with the brain. After observed loss of mental activity life has not appeared to resume. The mind is produced to assist survival.
Our brain is a combination of different layers, each with a sub-conscience effect, engineered in stages by evolution. This placing of all consciousness on a scale may explain various abnormal states and personalities. Simpler organisms possessing only a rudimentary awareness.
The mind is kind of like a vehicle or a computer in the sense that it is a complex assemblage of parts, with every part by itself easily understood and when placed together the operation is thought of as a single unit and when we do not understand it, we fail to see its many parts.
Your description just had me thinking you meant it was more than its parts. Something "manifest" that is not explained.
We do not have an explanation of each simple process. That is required and then there will be no room left for a "mind" that travels beyond death.


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Re: atheism is small minded. [Re: pmoseman]
    #18820059 - 09/09/13 06:36 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)







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Re: atheism is small minded. [Re: koods]
    #18820072 - 09/09/13 06:38 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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The Ecstatic said:So you think everything else in the entire universe that exists because of matter, except consciousness?
Bro.
Your brain is just a very complicated electrical circuit that acts based on proteins and acids. Theres no magic involved. Sorry, but we're not special. Just a sack of water finding the best way to make new sacks of water.



Astronomers are currently perplexed because matter appears to be only 4% of stuff in the universe. The amount of living material is 10^40 times less than the amount of all that material. So I do not know what "everything else" is, if it is not consciousness.




Well, there ya go. This is where the type of reasoning.championed by the religious takes you: if you don't know what something is or how it works, it must be God Consciousness.

It could be invisible marshmallows. Or the socks that disappear from dryers.



I do not know what he thinks the "everything else" is or how things exists because of it. See? :mafioso:


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Re: atheism is small minded. [Re: pmoseman]
    #18820156 - 09/09/13 06:54 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Is the glass half full or empty... the glass is technically always full, be it of water or oxygen you're just percieving half of the contents and assuming the rest is "nothing".  like religion you assume that which you don't doesn't exist so you fill it with a concept to bridge the gap and find some comfort in yourself.


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Re: atheism is small minded. [Re: omegafaust] * 1
    #18820196 - 09/09/13 07:00 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Is the glass half full or empty... the glass is technically always full, be it of water or oxygen you're just percieving half of the contents and assuming the rest is "nothing".  like religion you assume that which you don't doesn't exist so you fill it with a concept to bridge the gap and find some comfort in yourself.




Half full [of water]. The "Of water" is implicit. Hell if you're gonna durp the durr why not point out that matter is 99% empty space and the glass is pretty much always empty?


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Re: atheism is small minded. [Re: koods]
    #18820246 - 09/09/13 07:12 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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I think we are special. A few simple physical laws and constants have enabled matter to assemble in such a way that over the lifetime of the universe, these assemblages of common atoms have become aware of themselves and the natural forces that lead to their own complexity. That's fucking awesome.




it really is :awepixel:

reminds me of a quote: "we exist as a means for the universe to experience itself."




It's so much more spectacular than "god did it."




You know, I've learned something today.  I never really knew the actual definitions of atheists and agnostics, I just always considered myself agnostic because they tend to be less annoying than atheists and less anti-religion.  But if the true definition of atheist is simply "without theistic belief" then I guess I am an atheist.  Although I'm still on the fence about the nature of how the fuck all those particles got together to form beings that are aware of themselves and their surroundings and down to the very building blocks we are made of.  A lot of people think the Big Bang was some miracle, and it is, don't get me wrong.  But I honestly think the big bang of life, the first proteins to form, the first cells and organisms to form, the first thoughts and reasoning to form.... that stuff blows my mind even more.

Whether God did it, or the universe simply did it to itself, really doesn't matter... it's absolutely mind-blowing no matter how it came to be, and it makes life very special to me.  These are the type of things my brain ponders all the time so I'm in this sort of amazed daze of awe for the majority of my conscious life.

Life sure is trippy :Feelstrippyman:


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Re: atheism is small minded. [Re: omegafaust]
    #18820299 - 09/09/13 07:23 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Is the glass half full or empty... the glass is technically always full, be it of water or oxygen you're just percieving half of the contents and assuming the rest is "nothing".  like religion you assume that which you don't doesn't exist so you fill it with a concept to bridge the gap and find some comfort in yourself.



Oh yes, I agree. I have jumped ship on my rigid classification of everything as 0 or 1. You cannot effectively spend time in a purely inward focus. You have to loosen up and become cognizant of what other people thinking.
If that half a cup of water has been sitting around as long as that analogy, it obviously has something else in it.


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Re: atheism is small minded. [Re: koods]
    #18821023 - 09/09/13 09:48 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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So atheists believe themselves to be especially unspecial, then? :hmm:




The theist thinks he is special because his claims don't require the evidence any other claim would. The atheist thinks there is nothing special about the theists claims. How can something be especially unspecial? That's like matter and anti-matter.




Hmm, atheists and theists do release enormous amounts of energy upon collision. Well played, koods... well played. :raisemyglass:


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Re: atheism is small minded. [Re: koods] * 1
    #18821045 - 09/09/13 09:54 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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what about near death experiences?

consciousness continuing through periods of zero EEG activity seems to suggest something beyond the physical brain




It suggests to me that somebody should invent a better EEG. Seriously, a device that detects electrical activity of an organ through layers of brain, fat, skin and skull is a pretty crude instrument.




They have imaging technology that can capture cortical interactions through a very thin layer of bone. That said, figuring out which regions of the cortex continue functioning in a dying brain would probably be like finding a needle in a haystack, except the needle only exists very briefly and you have to kill each straw individually. And this is assuming that the prevailing model of consciousness (that it is generated locally by the brain) is correct-- a parsimonious but unverified assumption.

I have a sneaky feeling that the physical and energetic nature of consciousness can't be pinned down according to currently existing models of energy transfer. I haven't seen that we've gone any farther than correlating subjective experiences with objective measurements of brain functioning. There is no satisfactory proof that consciousness is generated by the brain, only the working assumption. I could be wrong about this, and if so I'd just love to be corrected...

I generally believe that the brain operates as a "receiver" or even just as a focusing lens for a larger energy field which is universal consciousness. This is actually a more parsimonious explanation than the local model for most intents and purposes that don't involve the study of energy transfer under the prevailing scientific paradigm.


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Re: atheism is small minded. [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #18821071 - 09/09/13 10:00 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Pantheism

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Re: atheism is small minded. [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #18821143 - 09/09/13 10:26 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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This is actually a more parsimonious explanation than the local model for most intents and purposes that don't involve the study of energy transfer under the prevailing scientific paradigm.




yep :yesnod: explains so much more imo


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Re: atheism is small minded. [Re: g00ru]
    #18821173 - 09/09/13 10:35 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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There is no satisfactory proof that consciousness is generated by the brain, only the working assumption. I could be wrong about this, and if so I'd just love to be corrected...




Hardly an assumption. There is a direct correlation between the physical structure and conscious awareness. Damage to brain structure results in predictable changes or deficits in consciousness. This isn't merely a correlation, it is cause and effect. Drugs change brain function, and this manifests itself in alterations in our consciousness,


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Re: atheism is small minded. [Re: koods]
    #18821309 - 09/09/13 11:09 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)



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Re: atheism is small minded. [Re: Shins]
    #18821372 - 09/09/13 11:25 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

The major problem with the God(s) vs. No God(s) argument is that it almost always begins as a pissing match between two sides in which one attempts to prove superiority over the other, then as the discourse is eventually dominated by one side, it collapses into a massive, sweaty circlejerk.

Being a meatbag animated by the movement of electrical currents that have evolved into patterns over time by the movement of atoms, molecules and chemical reactions that express themselves in a form that we call "consciousness" in order to facilitate the movement of DNA through the Universe--this implies that our actual "points of view" are biologically useful energy patterns that help us get laid. All of our thoughts and philosophies and ideas could be biologically useful total bullshit fantasy. This, arguably, goes all ways, and everything we think of as factual or reasonable or holy might be an illusion, and it wouldn't matter to the Universe. Therefore, to claim we know the truth about anything, or have a better handle on The Way Shit Really Is than that Other Douchebag Over There, is both useless and probably false. It's all an illusion, man...

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