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Re: atheism is small minded. [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #18819203 - 09/09/13 02:56 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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I think we are special. A few simple physical laws and constants have enabled matter to assemble in such a way that over the lifetime of the universe, these assemblages of common atoms have become aware of themselves and the natural forces that lead to their own complexity. That's fucking awesome.




it really is :awepixel:

reminds me of a quote: "we exist as a means for the universe to experience itself."




It's so much more spectacular than "god did it."


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Re: atheism is small minded. [Re: koods]
    #18819443 - 09/09/13 04:06 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

When I die I'm coming back as a fucking eagle. Its what i want to believe.  If you think I'm wrong then you're small minded


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Re: atheism is small minded. [Re: Fire is Born] * 1
    #18819478 - 09/09/13 04:14 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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When I die I'm coming back as a fucking eagle. Its what i want to believe.  If you think I'm wrong then you're small minded




And you're so open minded your brain has fallen out.


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Re: atheism is small minded. [Re: koods]
    #18819491 - 09/09/13 04:16 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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When I die I'm coming back as a fucking eagle. Its what i want to believe.  If you think I'm wrong then you're small minded




And you're so open minded your brain has fallen out.



Damn owned koods im stealing that phrase and using it!


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Re: atheism is small minded. [Re: koods]
    #18819513 - 09/09/13 04:22 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Consciousness exists outside of physical reality. We are just beginning to understand the nature of multiple dimensions. To think we have it all figured out is folly.


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Re: atheism is small minded. [Re: Shroomism]
    #18819576 - 09/09/13 04:36 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Consciousness requires a brain, and the condition of that consciousness is directly related to the condition of that brain. It's not really something serious people would consider debatable.


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Re: atheism is small minded. [Re: koods]
    #18819580 - 09/09/13 04:37 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

If consciousness requires a brain, how are people able to go out of their body?


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Re: atheism is small minded. [Re: Shroomism] * 1
    #18819598 - 09/09/13 04:41 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

They don't.


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Re: atheism is small minded. [Re: koods]
    #18819600 - 09/09/13 04:41 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Says who? You? You some kind of expert on the subject?


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Re: atheism is small minded. [Re: Shroomism]
    #18819630 - 09/09/13 04:48 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Out of body experiences are easily explained without resorting to supernatural forces.

I've personally had episodes of sleep paralysis where I have seen myself on the floor next to my bed or couch. These visions have been real enough to me that when this has happened while other people are in the room I've gotten mad at them for not helping me when I fell off the couch,  They always say "dude, you've been in the same spot this whole time."

It's fairly well understood that out of body experiences are the result of mismatched sensory inputs.

Researchers can easily induce the effect using a couple mirrors and some touching. An example of the effect on a small scale is the trick where two people put their hands together and you stroke two fingers together. It feels like the finger is not part of your own body.


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“if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”


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Re: atheism is small minded. [Re: Shroomism]
    #18819655 - 09/09/13 04:54 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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If consciousness requires a brain, how are people able to go out of their body?




The brain is a powerful computer that is insanely good at creating sensory hallucinations. Lucid dreaming, psychedelics, NDEs and OOBEs are just demonstrations of how powerful it is. I've had a sober OOBE and I don't believe for one minute that a "soul" actually left my body. My brain simply projected what it would see from the given point and it overrode my actual field of vision for a short while.

One things is beyond any doubt for me though, if someone had shot me in the head while I was having the experience it would have ended.


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Re: atheism is small minded. [Re: RiderOnTheStorm]
    #18819678 - 09/09/13 05:01 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Ok, I guess we will see wont we. This isn't the sort of thing that can be proven empirically anyhow. Not at our current level of understanding.  So arguing about it is rather pointless.


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Re: atheism is small minded. [Re: RiderOnTheStorm]
    #18819680 - 09/09/13 05:01 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

This is psychedelic drug forum. It should be a no brainer. (:hehehe:) We like to take drugs that alter our consciousness and the way these drugs work is they alter the normal functions in the brain.


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Re: atheism is small minded. [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #18819687 - 09/09/13 05:02 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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The Ecstatic said:So you think everything else in the entire universe that exists because of matter, except consciousness?
Bro.
Your brain is just a very complicated electrical circuit that acts based on proteins and acids. Theres no magic involved. Sorry, but we're not special. Just a sack of water finding the best way to make new sacks of water.



Astronomers are currently perplexed because matter appears to be only 4% of stuff in the universe. The amount of living material is 10^40 times less than the amount of all that material. So I do not know what "everything else" is, if it is not consciousness.


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Re: atheism is small minded. [Re: pmoseman]
    #18819706 - 09/09/13 05:07 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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The Ecstatic said:So you think everything else in the entire universe that exists because of matter, except consciousness?
Bro.
Your brain is just a very complicated electrical circuit that acts based on proteins and acids. Theres no magic involved. Sorry, but we're not special. Just a sack of water finding the best way to make new sacks of water.



Astronomers are currently perplexed because matter appears to be only 4% of stuff in the universe. The amount of living material is 10^40 times less than the amount of all that material. So I do not know what "everything else" is, if it is not consciousness.




Well, there ya go. This is where the type of reasoning.championed by the religious takes you: if you don't know what something is or how it works, it must be God Consciousness.

It could be invisible marshmallows. Or the socks that disappear from dryers.


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Re: atheism is small minded. [Re: Shroomism]
    #18819713 - 09/09/13 05:08 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Ok, I guess we will see wont we. This isn't the sort of thing that can be proven empirically anyhow. Not at our current level of understanding.  So arguing about it is rather pointless.




I don't think we will, unfortunately.


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Re: atheism is small minded. [Re: RiderOnTheStorm]
    #18819717 - 09/09/13 05:09 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

My past 4,000 lives say otherwise :wink:


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Re: atheism is small minded. [Re: RiderOnTheStorm]
    #18819722 - 09/09/13 05:11 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Ok, I guess we will see wont we. This isn't the sort of thing that can be proven empirically anyhow. Not at our current level of understanding.  So arguing about it is rather pointless.




I don't think we will, unfortunately.





Yes, it is a property of things that do not exist that they never reveal themselves.


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Re: atheism is small minded. [Re: Shroomism]
    #18819725 - 09/09/13 05:11 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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My past 4,000 lives say otherwise :wink:




Name them :tongue:


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Re: atheism is small minded. [Re: RiderOnTheStorm]
    #18819739 - 09/09/13 05:15 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

what about near death experiences?

consciousness continuing through periods of zero EEG activity seems to suggest something beyond the physical brain


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