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Re: Saint George (Zimmerman) just waved his gun at his wife [Re: greencrush420]
#18822821 - 09/10/13 10:33 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Whatever "kid". You're the one behaving in a puerile, and close minded manner. You have a paucity of knowledge regarding self-defense laws, yet you continue to state that I am incorrect without first checking any facts. The fact that you feel the need to use Ad Hominem to personally attack me, by calling me a "kid", proves that you lack ground to stand on in your argument. Otherwise, you would back up your statements with fact, instead of using your surreptitious debate tactics to attempt to discredit my intellect. Nice try though.

Your ego is bruised that badly, huh? No response at all? 
His response was perfect considering you're trying (and failing... badly) to lecture a lawyer on the law.
Quit while you're ahead not appearing completely moronish.
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Re: Saint George (Zimmerman) just waved his gun at his wife [Re: greencrush420]
#18822822 - 09/10/13 10:34 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Enlil said: You couldn't be more incorrect. Killing someone isn't a crime. Murder is a crime. Zimmerman never admitted to murder. He admitted to killing someone.
Intentionally killing someone is murder; the only thing in question is the degree to which pre-meditation occurred. Are you really going to attempt to argue that point? He committed murder, and the burden of proof was on him to prove that his life was in danger and that he retaliated with equivalent force. Even if Tryvon assaulted him, it is still murder if his life was not in danger. I'll say it again, in case you missed it, equivalent force is the key term here. He never proved that Travyvon was trying to kill him. He also never proved that it was Travon who initiated physical violence. There is no proof that Zimmermen didn't attack Trayvon first, and Trayvon wasn't the one trying to defend himself. The only thing anyone has to go on is Zimmermans word. There were no witnesses.
I assume you think that the prosecution sucked and you could have done better.
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Re: Saint George (Zimmerman) just waved his gun at his wife [Re: qman]
#18822825 - 09/10/13 10:34 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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If I were the prosecutor I would have showed my tits and then I would've won the case!
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Re: Saint George (Zimmerman) just waved his gun at his wife [Re: greencrush420]
#18822828 - 09/10/13 10:36 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Enlil said: "equivalent force" isn't a legal term, kid. You don't know what the fuck you're talking about, and it's obvious.
Intentionally killing someone isn't necessarily murder either, but I'm not going to waste time explaining it to you because you've already demonstrated your firm belief in your own omniscience and your unwillingness to learn.
Whatever "kid". You're the one behaving in a puerile, and close minded manner. You have a paucity of knowledge regarding self-defense laws, yet you continue to state that I am incorrect without first checking any facts. The fact that you feel the need to use Ad Hominem to personally attack me, by calling me a "kid", proves that you lack ground to stand on in your argument. Otherwise, you would back up your statements with fact, instead of using your surreptitious debate tactics to attempt to discredit my intellect. Nice try though. 
Its kind of weird when you call an old man a kid. Its also kinda weird that you claim you know about the law when you couldn't be any more wrong from what the law states (not to mention it varies heavily state by state). I think you're the only one here who thinks your intellect should be considered credible in this regard.
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Re: Saint George (Zimmerman) just waved his gun at his wife [Re: VivaLaMushie]
#18822837 - 09/10/13 10:37 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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VivaLaMushie said: If I were the prosecutor I would have showed my tits and then I would've won the case!
Show us your tits, and then everyone will be happy!
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Re: Saint George (Zimmerman) just waved his gun at his wife [Re: Enlil]
#18822890 - 09/10/13 10:51 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Enlil said: My qualifications vis a vis the law are not only a matter of opinion, but a matter of public record. The licenses and degree on my wall contain zero ambiguity about it. That's why it's funny to me when you talk this nonsense.
I am more than willing to help YOU understand the ins and outs of self-defense if you so desire, but I'm not here to prove anything to you.
Ah, I didn't realize you were a lawyer, especially based on you underhanded debate tactics, but I suppose that is the norm in your profession. I'll bow out now, before I make a further fool of myself.
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Re: Saint George (Zimmerman) just waved his gun at his wife [Re: Uzziel]
#18822914 - 09/10/13 10:57 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Enlil said: "equivalent force" isn't a legal term, kid. You don't know what the fuck you're talking about, and it's obvious.
Intentionally killing someone isn't necessarily murder either, but I'm not going to waste time explaining it to you because you've already demonstrated your firm belief in your own omniscience and your unwillingness to learn.
Whatever "kid". You're the one behaving in a puerile, and close minded manner. You have a paucity of knowledge regarding self-defense laws, yet you continue to state that I am incorrect without first checking any facts. The fact that you feel the need to use Ad Hominem to personally attack me, by calling me a "kid", proves that you lack ground to stand on in your argument. Otherwise, you would back up your statements with fact, instead of using your surreptitious debate tactics to attempt to discredit my intellect. Nice try though. 
Its kind of weird when you call an old man a kid. Its also kinda weird that you claim you know about the law when you couldn't be any more wrong from what the law states (not to mention it varies heavily state by state). I think you're the only one here who thinks your intellect should be considered credible in this regard.

I called him a "kid" sarcastically in retaliation to his own Ad Hominem. Of course, this went way over your head. I would expect nothing more from you. You're right, it does vary state to state, and my state is not a stand your ground state.
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luvdemshrooms
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Re: Saint George (Zimmerman) just waved his gun at his wife [Re: greencrush420]
#18822918 - 09/10/13 10:57 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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greencrush420 said: I'll bow out now, before I make a further fool of myself.
Is that even possible?
-------------------- You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers
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Re: Saint George (Zimmerman) just waved his gun at his wife [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#18822923 - 09/10/13 10:59 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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greencrush420 said: I'll bow out now, before I make a further fool of myself.
Is that even possible?
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Re: Saint George (Zimmerman) just waved his gun at his wife [Re: greencrush420]
#18822959 - 09/10/13 11:11 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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greencrush420 said: it does vary state to state, and my state is not a stand your ground state.
Even in a "duty to retreat" state, the burden of proof is on the state to prove the elements of murder. "Stand your ground" laws don't change anything except the duty to retreat, and as has been noted ad nauseum on this site, the "Stand your ground" was irrelevant in the Zimmerman case.
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