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Static88
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Re: HELP! Questions First MONO Attempt - Pics And Updates Along the Way [Re: Static88]
#19301126 - 12/20/13 02:54 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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anyone know if I'm screwed? never doin this again but not sure if I should throw in the towel.
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Re: HELP! Questions First MONO Attempt - Pics And Updates Along the Way [Re: Static88]
#19301149 - 12/20/13 03:07 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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No need to throw in the towel just harvest and let it keep trying, you should be using your leds during the day and giving them some dark time
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Re: HELP! Questions First MONO Attempt - Pics And Updates Along the Way [Re: cronicr]
#19301184 - 12/20/13 03:23 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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yeah, I think they're supposed to be on 12on/12off lighting schedule at fruiting time. Maybe they're not getting enough off (or dark) time? what you have growing looks pretty sweet though
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Re: HELP! Questions First MONO Attempt - Pics And Updates Along the Way [Re: shroomluv]
#19301209 - 12/20/13 03:32 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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shroomluv said: yeah, I think they're supposed to be on 12on/12off lighting schedule at fruiting time.
Actually, they should be getting ambient/indirect light on a 12/12 from the start, not just for fruiting.
For fruiting an increase in light from ambient/indirect to intense/direct is recommended.
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Static88
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Re: HELP! Questions First MONO Attempt - Pics And Updates Along the Way [Re: PussyFart]
#19314392 - 12/23/13 01:14 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Notahacker420 said:
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shroomluv said: yeah, I think they're supposed to be on 12on/12off lighting schedule at fruiting time.
Actually, they should be getting ambient/indirect light on a 12/12 from the start, not just for fruiting.
For fruiting an increase in light from ambient/indirect to intense/direct is recommended.
what do you mean.. "from the start"?
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Re: HELP! Questions First MONO Attempt - Pics And Updates Along the Way [Re: Static88]
#19314417 - 12/23/13 01:30 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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He means from the time you start lol
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Re: HELP! Questions First MONO Attempt - Pics And Updates Along the Way [Re: Static88]
#19314425 - 12/23/13 01:37 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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As soon as you spawned your grains to your substrate(casing lol) you can start lighting 12/12... Not that important. Whats important now is that you give 12 hours of light and 12 hours of darkness. Those LED's are crap. Get a regular 6500k bulb for $3 at the store and put a lamp on them when its light outside. Turn it off when it gets dark.
Are you misting? The one pic looks really wet... Don't give up on bulk. just next time use RR's method to prepare your grains. I can tell from the pictures that you had too much water in your grains. Then use a preferred substrate, not a casing to mix your grains with. Couple mistakes that are easily fixable next time. Eat those few buddies that sprouted and go prep some more jars for round 2. I don't think you're going to get a lot out of this attempt. Don't stop yet, just saying its not looking great.
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Re: HELP! Questions First MONO Attempt - Pics And Updates Along the Way [Re: crackacola]
#19314450 - 12/23/13 01:57 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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crackacola said: As soon as you spawned your grains to your substrate(casing lol) you can start lighting 12/12...
You can start lighting at the time you inoculate your jars.
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Re: HELP! Questions First MONO Attempt - Pics And Updates Along the Way [Re: PussyFart]
#19314494 - 12/23/13 02:27 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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lighting really only has any effect during the fruiting stages. While your substrate is colonizing after inoculation light doesn't really help nor does it hurt.
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RogerRabbit said: That isn't the quote I disavowed. In addition, I said while referring to substrates:
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Expose them to normal room lighting from day one. There is no reason at all to ever have your mycelia in the dark. Darkness will only delay pinning. If you give light from day one, your yields will go up, and you won't face overlay problems.
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I've found no benefit or harm from allowing the grain jars to be exposed to light from day one. If a few pins form in the grains, it is actually a good thing. Contrary to popular belief, a few pins in the grains can be spawned right into the manure or straw (or used in grain to grain transfers) and they do not rot or otherwise cause contamination.
I can't really tell that grain jars colonize faster or slower depending on ambient light. However, bulk substrates benefit from light from day one, and I've certainly not found any harm from letting grain jars sit on an open shelf exposed to ambient room light. That's the point I was making. Hope this clears it up.
In years past, I did say to colonize in darkness, but I'm pretty sure I had realized that was bunk by the time I registered here.
Also, I've never compiled a list of 'notes'. Those were put together by someone else. RR
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Re: HELP! Questions First MONO Attempt - Pics And Updates Along the Way [Re: TacoHerder]
#19314505 - 12/23/13 02:32 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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TacoHerder said: lighting really only has any effect during the fruiting stages. While your substrate is colonizing after inoculation light doesn't really help nor does it hurt.
Lighting Requirements of Mushrooms
Some mushrooms, such as the Agaricus species commonly found in grocery stores require no light at all. However, those commonly grown by hobbyists, such as Pleurotus ostreatus (Oyster Mushrooms), Lentinus enodes (Shiitake), Psilocybe cubensis, a hallucinogenic mushroom, and Hericium erinaceus (Lion's Mane) all require light to produce abundant, normal sized fruits. Experience has taught us that the light best suited for primordia formation and the development of fruitbodies is bright light with a color temperature of 5,000 Kelvin to 7,000 Kelvin. Fortunately, this type of light is easily obtainable at your local home improvement center in the form of fluorescent fixtures. For a small terrarium as described in this chapter, a single CFL (compact fluorescent) that screws into a standard light bulb socket will work very well. These can often be found in grocery and drug stores in every neighborhood. 15 watt CFLs will do the job well, but the package will probably have a large 60 stamped on it, indicating they produce light "equivalent" to a 60 watt incandescent light bulb. They're referring to lumens of output, not the frequency. Incandescent light bulbs are the worst possible choice for growing mushrooms, since they emit a 'red' light in the 3,000 Kelvin color temperature range.
The higher the color temperature, expressed in Kelvin, the closer to the 'blue' end of the spectrum the emitted light is. The lower the color temperature the 'redder' the light is. If you have a choice of fluorescent lamps, purchase those labeled 'daylight' since these have a somewhat higher color temperature than cool white. Daylight, sometimes called 'natural daylight' fluorescent tubes generally emit light in the 6,500 Kelvin range, while cool white fluorescent emits light at around 5,000 Kelvin. If you have several terrariums stacked or otherwise near each other, you can use larger 2 to 4 tube fluorescent fixtures. These come in 48" and 96" lengths. Place the fluorescent lamps as close as you can get them to your terrariums without causing excessive heating. Species such as Shiitake and Oyster mushrooms prefer to fruit at temperatures in the upper 50's to mid 60's Fahrenheit (15C to 20C), while Psilocybe cubensis prefers to fruit at a temperature in the mid 70s to about 80 Fahrenheit (23C to 27C) Most mushroom species don't mind a slightly warmer temperature during daytime than at night, so if your grow room is a bit colder than the temperature ranges given above, a little warming from your lights during the daytime won't hurt at all, provided you don't let the air in your terrarium get too dry. For cakes, try to keep the humidity above 95%. Cased substrates are a bit more forgiving, but still try to keep your humidity above 90%. 12 hours on, 12 hours off has proved to be a great combination over a wide range of species. Of course, if you have a bright window near your terrarium, that will suffice, but direct sunlight for more than a few minutes per day should be avoided. Disregard outdated advice in old books which is constantly repeated on the internet to colonize mushroom substrates in total darkness. Experience and rigorous peer reviewed studies have proved that exposure to low level ambient indoor lighting during spawn run and substrate colonizing will speed up the process, leading to full colonization up to a few days earlier than the same substrate would if colonized in darkness. In addition, mushroom mycelium develops a day/night circadian rhythm, so exposure to light from day of inoculation sets this process in motion, leading to earlier fruiting and harvest.
http://www.mushroomvideos.com/Terrarium-Tek
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Re: HELP! Questions First MONO Attempt - Pics And Updates Along the Way [Re: TacoHerder]
#19314507 - 12/23/13 02:33 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Thats all good but the op was turning the lights on at night and not giving them there dark time
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Re: HELP! Questions First MONO Attempt - Pics And Updates Along the Way [Re: PussyFart]
#19314517 - 12/23/13 02:38 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Notahacker420 said:
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TacoHerder said: lighting really only has any effect during the fruiting stages. While your substrate is colonizing after inoculation light doesn't really help nor does it hurt.
Lighting Requirements of Mushrooms
Some mushrooms, such as the Agaricus species commonly found in grocery stores require no light at all. However, those commonly grown by hobbyists, such as Pleurotus ostreatus (Oyster Mushrooms), Lentinus enodes (Shiitake), Psilocybe cubensis, a hallucinogenic mushroom, and Hericium erinaceus (Lion's Mane) all require light to produce abundant, normal sized fruits. Experience has taught us that the light best suited for primordia formation and the development of fruitbodies is bright light with a color temperature of 5,000 Kelvin to 7,000 Kelvin. Fortunately, this type of light is easily obtainable at your local home improvement center in the form of fluorescent fixtures. For a small terrarium as described in this chapter, a single CFL (compact fluorescent) that screws into a standard light bulb socket will work very well. These can often be found in grocery and drug stores in every neighborhood. 15 watt CFLs will do the job well, but the package will probably have a large 60 stamped on it, indicating they produce light "equivalent" to a 60 watt incandescent light bulb. They're referring to lumens of output, not the frequency. Incandescent light bulbs are the worst possible choice for growing mushrooms, since they emit a 'red' light in the 3,000 Kelvin color temperature range.
The higher the color temperature, expressed in Kelvin, the closer to the 'blue' end of the spectrum the emitted light is. The lower the color temperature the 'redder' the light is. If you have a choice of fluorescent lamps, purchase those labeled 'daylight' since these have a somewhat higher color temperature than cool white. Daylight, sometimes called 'natural daylight' fluorescent tubes generally emit light in the 6,500 Kelvin range, while cool white fluorescent emits light at around 5,000 Kelvin. If you have several terrariums stacked or otherwise near each other, you can use larger 2 to 4 tube fluorescent fixtures. These come in 48" and 96" lengths. Place the fluorescent lamps as close as you can get them to your terrariums without causing excessive heating. Species such as Shiitake and Oyster mushrooms prefer to fruit at temperatures in the upper 50's to mid 60's Fahrenheit (15C to 20C), while Psilocybe cubensis prefers to fruit at a temperature in the mid 70s to about 80 Fahrenheit (23C to 27C) Most mushroom species don't mind a slightly warmer temperature during daytime than at night, so if your grow room is a bit colder than the temperature ranges given above, a little warming from your lights during the daytime won't hurt at all, provided you don't let the air in your terrarium get too dry. For cakes, try to keep the humidity above 95%. Cased substrates are a bit more forgiving, but still try to keep your humidity above 90%. 12 hours on, 12 hours off has proved to be a great combination over a wide range of species. Of course, if you have a bright window near your terrarium, that will suffice, but direct sunlight for more than a few minutes per day should be avoided. Disregard outdated advice in old books which is constantly repeated on the internet to colonize mushroom substrates in total darkness. Experience and rigorous peer reviewed studies have proved that exposure to low level ambient indoor lighting during spawn run and substrate colonizing will speed up the process, leading to full colonization up to a few days earlier than the same substrate would if colonized in darkness. In addition, mushroom mycelium develops a day/night circadian rhythm, so exposure to light from day of inoculation sets this process in motion, leading to earlier fruiting and harvest.
http://www.mushroomvideos.com/Terrarium-Tek
I see you link RR's vids. As did I with his notes about colonizing. Who knows, maybe he is wrong. And we are talking about cubes here, edibles are a whole new ball game.
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Re: HELP! Questions First MONO Attempt - Pics And Updates Along the Way [Re: TacoHerder]
#19314528 - 12/23/13 02:44 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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TacoHerder said: And we are talking about cubes here, edibles are a whole new ball game.
I doubt it, at least when it comes to lighting.
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Re: HELP! Questions First MONO Attempt - Pics And Updates Along the Way [Re: PussyFart]
#19314543 - 12/23/13 02:50 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Well it is
You agreed with me too in this statement "Some mushrooms, such as the Agaricus species commonly found in grocery stores require no light at all." And yes I wasn't just talking about lighting, im sure they are pretty similar in that fashion, but some edible species do still require different lighting needs.
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Re: HELP! Questions First MONO Attempt - Pics And Updates Along the Way [Re: TacoHerder]
#19314584 - 12/23/13 03:11 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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lol... yeah... you could start lighting at the time you inoculate... but putting a cfl next to your spawn jars is not going to be any better than having them in a room w/ indirect sunlight. Its really not important. Minor detail and this kid is struggling with the basics. Its true though.
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Re: HELP! Questions First MONO Attempt - Pics And Updates Along the Way [Re: crackacola]
#19314625 - 12/23/13 03:33 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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crackacola said: lol... yeah... you could start lighting at the time you inoculate... but putting a cfl next to your spawn jars is not going to be any better than having them in a room w/ indirect sunlight.
I never said they should get direct light, but ambient/indirect light from the start.(Not complete darkness)
Light has been proven beneficial during all stages of mycellium growth. Mushrooms like mammals have a circadian rhythm.
You want ambient/indirect light(on a 12/12 schedule preferably) for colonization and consolidation.
You want direct/intense 6500K light on a 12/12 schedule for fruiting.
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Re: HELP! Questions First MONO Attempt - Pics And Updates Along the Way [Re: PussyFart]
#19314638 - 12/23/13 03:44 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: HELP! Questions First MONO Attempt - Pics And Updates Along the Way [Re: crackacola]
#19315140 - 12/23/13 08:07 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yes12/12 so shut the light off lol
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Re: HELP! Questions First MONO Attempt - Pics And Updates Along the Way [Re: cronicr]
#19324324 - 12/25/13 03:36 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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cronicr said: Yes12/12 so shut the light off lol
thank you for your repeated unhelpful condescending comments cronicr...
The LEDS were only used a couple days that were overcast and shouldn't have even been mentioned in my update.
The mistake lies on (cased grains), 12/12 indirect lighting was givin more than 90% of the time.
ACTUAL thanks to all that posted info on lighting, very helpful.
I have plenty of spawn ready for 3 more PE monos. I'll be posting them soon and hopefully I can redeem myself.
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Re: HELP! Questions First MONO Attempt - Pics And Updates Along the Way [Re: Static88]
#19324359 - 12/25/13 04:01 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Static88 said:
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cronicr said: Yes12/12 so shut the light off lol
thank you for your repeated unhelpful condescending comments cronicr...
The LEDS were only used a couple days that were overcast and shouldn't have even been mentioned in my update.
The mistake lies on (cased grains), 12/12 indirect lighting was givin more than 90% of the time.
ACTUAL thanks to all that posted info on lighting, very helpful.
I have plenty of spawn ready for 3 more PE monos. I'll be posting them soon and hopefully I can redeem myself. 
Don't get me twisted I was trying to keep them on track and meant no offense,.no biggie though gl on ur stuff bud I shall leave u alone but I don't know how anything was condescending
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