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Liner question
    #18819004 - 09/09/13 01:58 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

First monotub. Has been colonizing for 9 days. Anyway, the liner on the right side of the tub is laying over and on top of the sub. Should I open the tub once it's fully colonized to pull it back up and maybe tape it to the side or cut it more? Its only about an inch but should I be concerned that too much moisture could get trapped under there during fruiting and cause a problem?


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Re: Liner question [Re: CitizenErased]
    #18819014 - 09/09/13 02:01 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

It should be fine. I just make sure to tape mine up nicely before I fill the tub, but don't forget to remove the tape after colonization :thumbup:


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Re: Liner question [Re: CitizenErased]
    #18819027 - 09/09/13 02:05 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I ran into the same issue this time... all the moisture in the tub during colonization caused the tape to fail.

1. I used shitty tape
2. I should have cut the bag more before i closed it up to colonize.

It's the little things that are only really learnt by first hand experience


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Re: Liner question [Re: mason man]
    #18819125 - 09/09/13 02:35 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I don't even cut my liner before. I just tape it up and load it up. Once it's fully colonized I cut it. That's just my preference though.


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Re: Liner question [Re: Trippy_Penguin]
    #18819414 - 09/09/13 04:00 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

How long does it generally take you guys to fully colonize? I've read a lot of very different numbers. I'm using a 64 quart tub with 8 jars of rye spawn and 9 quarts of coir/verm/ gypsum. Its been 9 days and it looks pretty well colonized to me. It's not a solid blanket of white but close. I've seen the 14 day figure floating around. What are your experiences?


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Re: Liner question [Re: CitizenErased]
    #18819426 - 09/09/13 04:03 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

10 days or less usually for me....

If it looks fully colonized, not necessarily pure white, but colonized....you can fruit it.


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Re: Liner question [Re: PussyFart]
    #18819454 - 09/09/13 04:08 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Thanks. Also, in my last grow, (buckets) which failed, I had the polyfill tightly on the bottom holes and loosely in the top for fruiting. I was just wondering, what would be the difference between tight poly in the bottom holes and just leaving the tape on them?


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Re: Liner question [Re: CitizenErased]
    #18819464 - 09/09/13 04:11 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

You would screw up the air flow in the tub.

Air comes into the tub thru the top holes, which pushes air out thru the bottom holes.

If the bottom holes are taped, there will be a massive effect on airflow.

Just because the bottom holes are stuffed as tight as possible, does not mean there is no airflow, it is just reduced compared to the top holes.

It would be extremely difficult to stuff a hole with polyfill so tight that it completely stopped airflow....so no worries about stuffing the hole too tight, just make it as tight as possible.


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Re: Liner question [Re: CitizenErased]
    #18819975 - 09/09/13 06:18 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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How long does it generally take you guys to fully colonize? I've read a lot of very different numbers. I'm using a 64 quart tub with 8 jars of rye spawn and 9 quarts of coir/verm/ gypsum. Its been 9 days and it looks pretty well colonized to me. It's not a solid blanket of white but close. I've seen the 14 day figure floating around. What are your experiences?




What sized jars?


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Re: Liner question [Re: mason man]
    #18819995 - 09/09/13 06:23 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Jars of what?

He is asking how long the tub will take, not the jars....


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Re: Liner question [Re: PussyFart]
    #18820053 - 09/09/13 06:34 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Gotchya. (And the jars were quarts). Here are a few pics. Best I could do without lifting the lid or using the flash.







Time to fruit?

Also, is it normal for this much condensation to be on the lid during colonization?



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Re: Liner question [Re: CitizenErased]
    #18820058 - 09/09/13 06:36 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

There's definitely more brown in there than you can see in those pics though, so those probably don't really help at all I guess. Ha.


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Re: Liner question [Re: CitizenErased]
    #18820064 - 09/09/13 06:36 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Lift the lid and get a good shot of the surface....with flash...


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Re: Liner question [Re: PussyFart]
    #18820075 - 09/09/13 06:39 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Isn't that a risk if it's not fully colonized?


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Re: Liner question [Re: CitizenErased]
    #18820091 - 09/09/13 06:42 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

You must be forgetting that you spawned the tub in open air, and that there are already millions of contams mixed into the substrate.

If the tub was going to contam, it would not be from you lifting the lid for a second or 2....

Pasteurized substrate material is contam resistant, just like fully colonized spawn.

This is how we can get away with spawning in open air.


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Re: Liner question [Re: PussyFart]
    #18820141 - 09/09/13 06:51 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Notahacker420 said:
Jars of what?

He is asking how long the tub will take, not the jars....




Size of jars matter because of the spawn to sub ratio.. using more spawn will lower colonization time, that's why I asked. 8 1/2 pint jars is far far different than 8 quart jars.


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Re: Liner question [Re: PussyFart]
    #18820148 - 09/09/13 06:53 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah, it definitely wasn't pasteurized properly though. Temps went way over. Tried, but just couldn't keep them down. Decided to try it anyway. Either way, I'm guessing I probably would have run into problems by now if it were too bad. I've just read a bunch of times that you shouldn't touch it at all while colonizing. Don't mean to be paranoid. Just don't want to fuck it up.

I took the picture, but when I lifted the lid, all of the water hanging out on the top of the tub went straight down into the back side of it. Is this something I should worry about?



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Re: Liner question [Re: CitizenErased]
    #18820158 - 09/09/13 06:54 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Isn't that a risk if it's not fully colonized?





Where in the world is this coming from? I keep hearing people say this.

I also keep hearing people saying that the polyfill on a monotub is used to filter the air.


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Re: Liner question [Re: CitizenErased]
    #18820164 - 09/09/13 06:55 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Do not worry about the water.

I would give that tub another day or two then fruit it.


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Re: Liner question [Re: PussyFart]
    #18820188 - 09/09/13 06:59 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Good enough for me. Thanks for all of the information and advice, guys. Appreciated as always.


Edited by CitizenErased (09/09/13 08:09 PM)


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