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Pan. Cinctulus. And a random psilocybin containing shroom?
#18818381 - 09/09/13 10:12 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Habitat: Where does it grow?
Woodchips and a lot of horse dung
Cap color differs. All the same species though.
Caps look tan to greyish tan.
Spore print color: Black
Bruising: None 
Other information: Scent of the mushroom, anything else you think is important, large close-up pictures showing stem, cap and gills.
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Re: Pan. Cinctulus. And a random psilocybin containing shroom? [Re: elemi]
#18818395 - 09/09/13 10:18 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Psathyrella sp.
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Re: Pan. Cinctulus. And a random psilocybin containing shroom? [Re: RiparianZoneJunky]
#18818451 - 09/09/13 10:42 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yeah good call, my panaeolus cinctulus was in the same bag as the psathyrella, are they poisonous or are my pan cincts now contaminated?
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Re: Pan. Cinctulus. And a random psilocybin containing shroom? [Re: elemi]
#18818557 - 09/09/13 11:19 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Just throw the psathyrellas out, if you've done a proper ID and know for sure that your cincts are cincts, they shouldn't be contaminated in any way, most psathyrella are non-toxic.
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Re: Pan. Cinctulus. And a random psilocybin containing shroom? [Re: RiparianZoneJunky]
#18818871 - 09/09/13 01:12 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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To make sure they are Cinctulus I will post more pics from my find today. Same exact park I went to last time I hit the mother load. Not as many as i thought but double check:)
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Re: Pan. Cinctulus. And a random psilocybin containing shroom? [Re: elemi]
#18818887 - 09/09/13 01:15 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Note of color change, when picked most of them were tan not dark grey tan like they are now that they are drying. They all had dark grey gills, they had the beautiful dark ring on the cap and now i just got to debug them. I fronted some the other day and never got my money because they 'didn't work' but I only gave him 4 grams for 20 bucks. Is that a rip off for this species cause they are that weak? I won't waist my time hunting them. Ill cultivate them. I have access to their mycelium back at the place.
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Re: Pan. Cinctulus. And a random psilocybin containing shroom? [Re: elemi]
#18818891 - 09/09/13 01:17 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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What the heck! You found those in woodchips? Those are some really weird looking cinctulus if that's what they are. You should save a few so someone can scope them for you.
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Re: Pan. Cinctulus. And a random psilocybin containing shroom? [Re: maynardjameskeenan]
#18818908 - 09/09/13 01:26 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Different environments make for interesting shrooms I guess... Woodchips and manuare from horses. Deep in the earth from years of horses walking on the trails. see I got an okay habitat!
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Re: Pan. Cinctulus. And a random psilocybin containing shroom? [Re: elemi]
#18818925 - 09/09/13 01:33 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Whatever they are .. Haha, I got them properly ID'd last time from the same spot. I think they are cinctulus. they aren't strong i guess.
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Re: Pan. Cinctulus. And a random psilocybin containing shroom? [Re: elemi]
#18818947 - 09/09/13 01:41 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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They definitely look like Panaeolus but I've yet to see cinctulus that look like them. Byrain would know better then me, hopefully he looks at this thread. Cool find either way.
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Re: Pan. Cinctulus. And a random psilocybin containing shroom? [Re: maynardjameskeenan]
#18819033 - 09/09/13 02:06 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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olivaceous? fimicola?
We need to start scoping our pan finds more.
Red stems point to cints though?
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Re: Pan. Cinctulus. And a random psilocybin containing shroom? [Re: MacMerdin]
#18819163 - 09/09/13 02:46 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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That's horrible haha. I have access to a scope. What would I have to do.. And how would I get a pic of the inside of a scope?
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Re: Pan. Cinctulus. And a random psilocybin containing shroom? [Re: elemi]
#18819229 - 09/09/13 03:04 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Quote:
elemi said: That's horrible haha. I have access to a scope. What would I have to do.. And how would I get a pic of the inside of a scope?
You should make a spore print on a microscope slide and look at them. You can take photos through the eye piece, if nothing else comes of it at least it's good practice.
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Re: Pan. Cinctulus. And a random psilocybin containing shroom? [Re: maynardjameskeenan]
#18821097 - 09/09/13 10:10 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Here, I want to contribute more pictures to a very interesting habitat in which they were discovered thanks to branching out to fellow shroomerites I was directed with knowledge I held keen during my journey to finding a good legal habitat for finding Panaeolus Cinctulus.
http:// 
I really want to uncover the mystery of why people question why the habitat is weird, horse poopy and pan cincts are likely to be found by each other in horse pastures, but I didn't want to trespass so I bypassed the legal issues and strolled through a PUBLIC nature park frequently used for horses. Had to watch my every step to be sure not to land a foot in horse shtttt.
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Re: Pan. Cinctulus. And a random psilocybin containing shroom? [Re: elemi]
#18821106 - 09/09/13 10:12 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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P.s. try to find the hidden slug in the horse dung pic and I will give u a high five thru the web !!
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Re: Pan. Cinctulus. And a random psilocybin containing shroom? [Re: elemi]
#18821117 - 09/09/13 10:17 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'm just not used to seeing them grow near big ass chunks of wood, most people on here who think they've found cinctulus in wood-chips normally turns out to be some sort of Psathyrella. The horse poo thing makes much more sense, I wouldn't have noticed it was there if you didn't say anything about it. I 96.5467% sure they are cinctulus, the wood is what makes it uncomfortable for me.
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Re: Pan. Cinctulus. And a random psilocybin containing shroom? [Re: maynardjameskeenan]
#18821554 - 09/10/13 12:37 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Well, there is a funny story to this particular habitat, while I was gathering info on where to find them, I had someone on my thread tell me that he found his on woodchips too,
Not necessarily on the woodchips, but it cultivates mostly from below and I'm guessing gets it nutrients from the horse fecies, BUT I did spot mycelium on the woodchips I was flipping over to search for any hidden shrooms.
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Re: Pan. Cinctulus. And a random psilocybin containing shroom? [Re: elemi]
#18821570 - 09/10/13 12:43 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Next time I visit the park I go to I will check the huge field of grass they have I wonder if the horses ride through there ever, idk . luckily every time I have showed up there it's been vacant on the trails.
So it's a really peaceful experience! Many shrooms I find there look interesting to learn about even if they aren't active species.
Mycology my call against your psychology
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Re: Pan. Cinctulus. And a random psilocybin containing shroom? [Re: elemi]
#18829468 - 09/11/13 07:25 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Quote:
elemi said:
I'm thinking these might be fimicola
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rungi said: Here is a clearer picture of a few Panaeolus fimicola <br>
From this thread
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/554185
Thoughts?
elemi....Did you print those?
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Re: Pan. Cinctulus. And a random psilocybin containing shroom? [Re: MacMerdin]
#18829705 - 09/11/13 08:10 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Either send them to me, or wintersbefore. better lighting on the caps. Take prints and send off a few please, or scope them yourself.
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Re: Pan. Cinctulus. And a random psilocybin containing shroom? [Re: MacMerdin]
#18830228 - 09/11/13 09:54 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I think you could be right. No way to know for certain without microscopy. They do look off/odd for cinctulus to me (could just be a phenotype) He should definitely have them scoped.
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Re: Pan. Cinctulus. And a random psilocybin containing shroom? [Re: maynardjameskeenan]
#18830502 - 09/11/13 10:56 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Pan. fimicola sounds like a way better fit to me than Pan cinctulus. The caps just don't look right for cinctulus.
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Re: Pan. Cinctulus. And a random psilocybin containing shroom? [Re: ambc]
#18832318 - 09/12/13 12:48 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I will post pics of my dried up shrooms. I don't know how much good that's gonna do now cause they look tasty all dried up.http://
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Re: Pan. Cinctulus. And a random psilocybin containing shroom? [Re: elemi]
#18832855 - 09/12/13 03:10 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I think they could be Panaeolus fimicola/ater (you argue whether or not they are unique). Dark caps, and low-nitrogen environment, i.e. no grass (not in a pasture). Get them scoped and compared with fimicola, maybe fimicola and ater are two different species yet no one has provided good enough samples or microscopy.
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Re: Pan. Cinctulus. And a random psilocybin containing shroom? [Re: Hashfinger]
#18832925 - 09/12/13 03:28 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Oh well an active is an active regardless of the potency, I'm gonna be growing this species for fun anyways as practice for cubensis!
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Re: Pan. Cinctulus. And a random psilocybin containing shroom? [Re: elemi]
#18833775 - 09/12/13 06:57 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Quote:
elemi said: Oh well an active is an active regardless of the potency, I'm gonna be growing this species for fun anyways as practice for cubensis!
Not really. Some actives are really boring common mushrooms that no one gives a fuck about and some actives are really cool and rare and shouldn't be consumed for any reason period.
Did you dry this collection? There is a study of the genus Panaeolus being conducted at UT right now and your collection could prove valuable. You should consider saving some that you have now or find in the near future for this purpose.
Good luck with the cult, that will be cool.
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Re: Pan. Cinctulus. And a random psilocybin containing shroom? [Re: Gravija]
#18833909 - 09/12/13 07:31 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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So is my active a common and boring mushroom hahaa, and I will contribute to any research for the love of mycology.
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Re: Pan. Cinctulus. And a random psilocybin containing shroom? [Re: elemi]
#18833923 - 09/12/13 07:35 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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This is my first hunting season ever and I'm already interested deeply in cultivating. So follow my future posts on my cult! I'm using a popcorn substrate and I know it isn't quite ideal for pans given there natural habitat is in pastures or in horse trails where I found mine:)
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Re: Pan. Cinctulus. And a random psilocybin containing shroom? [Re: elemi]
#18833949 - 09/12/13 07:39 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I didn't use agar when gathering the spores but have kept everything disinfected. I scraped old spore prints and put two mushroom caps in a tiny bit of water then injected my substrates through a needle used for my dads enemas. Never been used previously and also sanitized. Is my spores even going to grow mycelium?
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Re: Pan. Cinctulus. And a random psilocybin containing shroom? [Re: Gravija]
#18834056 - 09/12/13 08:01 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I just googled research for pans and couldn't find anything. Can you hook me up on some details or a link:)?
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Re: Pan. Cinctulus. And a random psilocybin containing shroom? [Re: elemi]
#18834074 - 09/12/13 08:05 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: Pan. Cinctulus. And a random psilocybin containing shroom? [Re: elemi]
#18834265 - 09/12/13 08:40 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I think your collection is interesting and should be saved. You will have to look really hard to find links to the current research on Panaeolus, or you could just PM the user Wintersbefore and ask her to look at your pictures.
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Re: Pan. Cinctulus. And a random psilocybin containing shroom? [Re: Gravija]
#18834273 - 09/12/13 08:41 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Quote:
Gravija said: I think your collection is interesting and should be saved. You will have to look really hard to find links to the current research on Panaeolus, or you could just PM the user Wintersbefore and ask her to look at your pictures.
I think op is sending me a collection for microscopy, if i have some left and op cant send some to winters, i will.
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Re: Pan. Cinctulus. And a random psilocybin containing shroom? [Re: Joust]
#18834280 - 09/12/13 08:42 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Then I am satisfied. Looking forward to the results.
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Re: Pan. Cinctulus. And a random psilocybin containing shroom? [Re: Gravija]
#18834420 - 09/12/13 09:14 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Will send em off ASAP. very interested on this discovery, my last thread was positively identified as cinctulus with similar confusion, but I think this recent batch is a mix of fimicola and cinctulus
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Re: Pan. Cinctulus. And a random psilocybin containing shroom? [Re: elemi]
#18834424 - 09/12/13 09:15 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I PM'd wintersbefore and sent off my pics!
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Edited by elemi (09/12/13 09:25 PM)
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