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Re: atheism is small minded. [Re: wtffuck]
    #18813387 - 09/07/13 11:04 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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wtffuck said:
Your small minded, you don't even know what you believe.




What are you basing that on?


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Re: atheism is small minded. [Re: psi] * 1
    #18813420 - 09/07/13 11:13 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

if theres a god he must have wiped his ass on this planet


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Re: atheism is small minded. [Re: psi]
    #18813426 - 09/07/13 11:15 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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wtffuck said:
if theres a god he must have wiped his ass on this planet



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psi said:
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wtffuck said:
Your small minded, you don't even know what you believe.




What are you basing that on?



the topic


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Re: atheism is small minded. [Re: wtffuck]
    #18813690 - 09/08/13 01:00 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Was an atheist before this thread, will remain one after.

Now an agnostic is someone who is either:

A. A non believer who is afraid of denying a god and being condemned.

or

B. Someone who wastes their precious time debating where we came from until their dead and it won't matter.


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Re: atheism is small minded. [Re: King Klick]
    #18813705 - 09/08/13 01:07 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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King Klick said:
Was an atheist before this thread, will remain one after.

Now an agnostic is someone who is either:

A. A non believer who is afraid of denying a god and being condemned.

or

B. Someone who wastes their precious time debating where we came from until their dead and it won't matter.




Does that make you an agnostic? :datass:


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Re: atheism is small minded. [Re: Sophistic Radiance] * 1
    #18813718 - 09/08/13 01:13 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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BlindSophist said:
Quote:

King Klick said:
Was an atheist before this thread, will remain one after.

Now an agnostic is someone who is either:

A. A non believer who is afraid of denying a god and being condemned.

or

B. Someone who wastes their precious time debating where we came from until their dead and it won't matter.




Does that make you an agnostic? :datass:



Fuckkkkk I fell into the trap againnn. :lol:


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Re: atheism is small minded. [Re: King Klick] * 1
    #18813724 - 09/08/13 01:15 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Buddhism is so full of shit.


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Re: atheism is small minded. [Re: King Klick]
    #18813727 - 09/08/13 01:16 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

You should read Nieztsche's PARABLE OF A MADMAN ..
Parable of a madman

It describes the nature of 'being an atheist' and the reasoning behind it.

I'm no atheist. I believe in hope, love, and most importantly, faith. :heart: god is unclear to me but I WANT to believe.


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Re: atheism is small minded. [Re: TwinEclipse]
    #18813902 - 09/08/13 02:41 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Good topic.  I recently got into the "egyptian christian".  It's basically a religion that involves perfect reasoning with science.  The universe is written in geometrics.  The flower of life, the solar cross that the great pyramids were built into, even yeshua ben her's main prayer is geometric.  Geometry is universe and the universe is geometry.  Prove me wrong on that. 

Anyways, so far though.  I've definitely got sucked in and I love it.  Look into it, maybe youll find it decent too.


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Re: atheism is small minded. [Re: tripp23]
    #18813929 - 09/08/13 02:57 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Geometry is universe and the universe is geometry.  Prove me wrong on that. 




I'd say to you what I say to any religious person: convince me by proving your God (in your case, geometry) is real and omnipotent. At least you have a better starting position than most theists :wink: Anyway, I always find it sort of lame when people say "prove me x isn't there." It's the logical fallacy that kills, for example, all forms of risk management. You can't prove absence of something; you can only try to prove its presence in many ways and if you fail, cautiously assume that it probably isn't there...Then again, exactly this phenomenon leaves enough room for people to believe in irrational things. What is entertaining, of course, is that you seem to argue that your flavor of religion is wrought with reason :wink:

Btw, when you speak of 'Egyptian christian', what do you actually mean? Coptic Christianity?


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Re: atheism is small minded. [Re: koraks]
    #18817443 - 09/09/13 12:16 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I was once walking in the country with a blind friend of mine.
The day was hot and I said that I would enjoy a nice cool drink of milk.
“Milk?” asked my friend. “Drink I understand, but what is milk?”
“A white liquid,” I explained.
“Liquid I understand, but what is white?”
“The color of a swan’s feathers.”
“Feathers I understand, but what is a swan?”
“A bird with a crooked neck.”
“Neck I understand, but what is crooked?”
I gently took his arm and straightened it. “That’s straight,” I said.
Then I bent it at the elbow. “And this is crooked.”
“Oh,” exclaimed the blind man, “now I understand what you mean by milk.”


We believe that we understand the three dimensions of height, width, and depth. What about the fourth dimension, time. Do we really understand it? We cannot synthesize it or put it in a bottle. If we try to imagine what existed before the “big bang” that many physicists think (or, more recently, thought) was the beginning of the universe, the question arises, if there was nothingness, was there time? Could time exist if matter didn’t exist? And what about “nothingness”? If there was nothing before the universe existed, was that nothing very, very small or very, very large? Before the universe existed, was there an enormous emptiness or something infinitely small. If the latter, what was “outside” it? And what is outside the universe today? The point of this mental exercise is to illustrate that it is easy to see that something as commonplace and familiar to us as “time” and “nothing” is quite mysterious and hard to grasp. Pfft, Religion is like playing a game on easy-mode... Faith provides a comforting set of explanations for great questions and useful concepts for complex ideas without the need to disprove any of them.


Edited by Beanhead (09/09/13 01:16 AM)


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Re: atheism is small minded. [Re: Beanhead]
    #18817461 - 09/09/13 12:24 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Going to hell is the last thing I need after all this crap happened to me. I'm Christian ish as in I believe in god and believe Jesus was his son. Following the bible gets hard sometimes, but overall I'm a good person.


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Re: atheism is small minded. [Re: ShiVersblood] * 2
    #18817681 - 09/09/13 02:25 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Atheism is an unfortunate consequence of having to react a world dominated by theists. It should be the default position, since it is the only viewpoint that doesn't actually require any information. It doesn't require any evidence. Theism requires an education (more like indoctrination).

Despite the literal meaning of the word "atheism" most atheists would not say there is no god. They will say there is no reason to believe there is a god, just as there is no reason to believe any other claim that is supported by absolutely zero evidence. The only reason there is a special word for the specific disbelief of this particular baseless claim is that the believers think they are special.

Atheism is not small minded. Most atheists come to their position by reason, as opposed to the believers who are told what to believe by their elders, their peers and told that really terrible shit goes down if you question or reject what they are being told,


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Re: atheism is small minded. [Re: koods]
    #18817683 - 09/09/13 02:28 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

So atheists believe themselves to be especially unspecial, then? :hmm:


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Re: atheism is small minded. [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #18817690 - 09/09/13 02:38 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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So atheists believe themselves to be especially unspecial, then? :hmm:




The theist thinks he is special because his claims don't require the evidence any other claim would. The atheist thinks there is nothing special about the theists claims. How can something be especially unspecial? That's like matter and anti-matter.


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Re: atheism is small minded. [Re: TwinEclipse]
    #18817718 - 09/09/13 03:07 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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TwinEclipse said:
You should read Nieztsche's PARABLE OF A MADMAN ..
Parable of a madman

It describes the nature of 'being an atheist' and the reasoning behind it.

I'm no atheist. I believe in hope, love, and most importantly, faith. :heart: god is unclear to me but I WANT to believe.




Wanting to believe in something when there is absolutely evidence that thing exists an absurd way to live your life. It's as useful as "the secret" or superstition. Sure, there may be some benefits realized by doing so, but this is nothing but chance. If things go well, it confirms your belief and when they don't, it doesn't. A plane crashes and everyone but a little baby is killed. It's a miracle... Lets thank god!

Belief in god doesn't teach you anything people haven't already learned through experience and investigation of the world we live in. I'm not sure why you think hope and love have any relationship to a particular belief.


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Re: atheism is small minded. [Re: koods]
    #18817819 - 09/09/13 04:42 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I hate that Nietzsche guy. He gets all the chics.

Damn it, I see an actual atheist beat me to it. Oh well... this repeats a bit of what Koods said.

First, history.
Christianity commands you to worship no other god than the one true God. That is the religion I was raised with. I took it to mean that you cannot believe there are any other gods; that all other religions are false.
This was essentially non-belief toward all deities/beliefs, save God.
This also gave me the belief that all religions were equally close-minded about other religions. To me, a true belief excluded others that seem to contradict it.
But I realize now that people's beliefs are totally unlimited.
Another thing Christianity commands is to remain faithful to God, and so some "straying" from the faith occurs.
Non-believers also may stray a bit and not always be pure rationals.

When I rejected Christian faith, I saw no reason to substitute it with another belief, as it seems people often do. That is atheism.
I choose not to believe in any religion.

The other definition for atheism, that atheists claim to KNOW that no God exists. This definition of atheism is wrong. Think of atheism as the observation that one does not know. Do not confuse atheism with a belief, it is vastly different. It is much akin to nihilism, and not a belief, because logically, neither can be proven.

Agnosticism simply states whether God exists or not cannot be proven. This is a belief.
You either know God exists, and knowing about God, you know that He cannot be proven.
OR
You you know God does not exist, and knowing this, you know He cannot be proven.
Either way you would KNOW and by definition and that requires proof.
YOU CANNOT KNOW ABOUT SOMETHING THAT IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO KNOW ABOUT UNLESS YOU KNOW SOMETHING ABOUT IT. So agnosticism, is a belief.

Nihilism can never be proven, because proving everything does not exist is impossible, especially if it is true. Nihilism is the null-hypothesis. You must prove something exists to replace it. You cannot have proof without it proving nihilism is false, so why bother hiding it? Nihilism itself must be assumed true and unlike an irrational belief, is also the root of some fairly good and original philosophical thought.

If it could not be proven false then I would not exist, or through the common expression, I think therefore I am. Both rejection and acceptance of nihilism, unlike the rejection or acceptance of one set of beliefs for a different set of beliefs, requires no faith.

I believed in nihilism, I still believe in nihilism. It is difficult to avoid poor word-choice, but you should be able to realize nihilism is absence, and itself would not exist as a belief, so how can anyone logically believe it?

Nihilism has its place, but anyone putting belief and nihilism together is wrong.

The argument works the same for atheism as it did for nihilism, but only more so. Atheism can never be proven nor disproven. You either adopt atheism or you believe in something.

Atheism rests in a very unstable position as a belief, as it makes no claims. They say the universe began. They say God exists. They say magic is real. They say unicorns fly. They say atheists think they know everything. Wrong! Atheism is vastly different from all those. Atheism is removing belief without replacing it. Your beliefs about atheism are an extension of your beliefs in other stuff.

You either understand the concept or not.

I am not saying atheists are perfect, or that they are a distinct subset of all people, but this concept has to be defined rigidly to be used properly. It also can easily be called a belief, but calling it a belief is a technically wrong description. For example, if God is real, but simply cannot be proven, or He can be proven, and is real, then atheism... remains valid. You may think, aha, those atheists have finally been proven wrong, but the FACT that God exists is not a BELIEF and therefore atheism remains unchanged.

This whole thread stinks like drunk chimpanzees.


Edited by pmoseman (09/09/13 04:49 AM)


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Re: atheism is small minded. [Re: pmoseman]
    #18817835 - 09/09/13 05:02 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Fuck reading all this.
Just riddle me one thing......Why do you believe in god? Or any god for that matter


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Re: atheism is small minded. [Re: Fire is Born]
    #18817847 - 09/09/13 05:15 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Let's heat this up a bit.
If you are Christian. ...you're kind of an idiot. Same goes for Jewish,  catjolic, muslim etc etc
Also believing god may exist because you can not prove it?....you cannot disprove that a turd didn't create you either...do you believe that too?
You believe it simply because you want to. As for believing in Christian gods.....please. :tard:


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Re: atheism is small minded. [Re: Dawks]
    #18817893 - 09/09/13 05:52 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Dawks said:
To contribute:
1. A neurochemical imbalance? Perhaps. But ultimately you have a lot of control over the way your internal mind works.

fu beanhead you're generalizing everything to brain chemistry.

3. last few sentences.




Do we? not all the neurons in our body produce awareness. For example, in persons who suffer a disconnection of the spinal cord from the brain, pinching a toe will still elicit a leg withdrawal reflex, but the person does not feel the pinch. The spinal cord neurons are activated by the pinch, but their activity does not produce awareness even though they are part of the person’s body. It is generally believed that consciousness is produced by the activity
of neurons in the cerebral cortex. This is probably true. However, there is evidence that noncortical neuronal activity can produce some form of consciousness, as in the case of “blindsight,” in which persons who are clinically blind due to visual cortical damage are nevertheless able to make correct visual discriminations, even though they report that they cannot see.
-Cowey. 2004

-Benjamin Libet (1999)
who found that conscious intention to move, say, a finger, actually followed the onset of electrophysiological activity associated specifically with the volitional process. This raises a different issue as to the neurophysiological basis of “free will” and the question of the nature of “I.” Libet’s finding raises the extremely discomforting notion that my neurons make the decision before “I” do. It is the question of whether “I” can
ever really decide to do anything, or whether free will is but an illusion
produced by the prior activity of the neurons in the brain. Stated another way, can “I” control the activity of my neurons, or do they control “me"?

Not that I don't agree with you, it's astonishing how the power of will/the mind can mold it's enviroment however it's anything but devalueing the brain: i've chosen those two excerpts to adress that there's indeed more then the eye can perceive. It can make itself all too evident, as when we experience pain. And it doesn’t help if we tell ourselves that pain is just the result of chemical reactions in some cells that happen to be in our brain.
So what if consciousness is a projection of the activity of our neurons into a(nother?) dimension in which we are embedded at all times? We know it from experiencing it when we are awake. Why does it disappear when we sleep and reappear in the form of our dreams, which are equally real—just another form of consciousness? The thought of consciousness (art, philosophy, music,...) as magical is annoying :blush:. Yes, it purports to explain something that we really don’t understand. i'm a bit lost inbetween faith and science perhaps. Untill the next hypothesis:tongue2:

Sorry that I came of as the hardcore rationalist, I really found it a very interesting post, I haven't come across a more beautiful explanation for the concept of "God", as you portray it this can be very strong. In your defintion I am closeminded but i'm too pragmatic to not take life in my own hands. When we are talking about survival, life and death, moral situations with either choice ending negatively, when there's only despair and the realization it will be over I find it too easy to have faith that the choice will be made for you.


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