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Re: No matter how open minded someone is, they still have beliefs by which they operate. [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #18827912 - 09/11/13 01:57 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

"Christ's teachings."

What are those again?

and...um...who practices them? 

I forget

...they must be really subtle...


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Re: No matter how open minded someone is, they still have beliefs by which they operate. [Re: teknix]
    #18828004 - 09/11/13 02:24 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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I don't understand why Jesus is thanking himself for hiding stuff,...



Because Jesus likes to get his way and He learned that controlling people with opiates is easier than chains and whips.
Once he got a taste for willing donors, hiding it from the wise and intelligent prevented... inconveniences.


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Re: No matter how open minded someone is, they still have beliefs by which they operate. [Re: Mad Season]
    #18828112 - 09/11/13 02:44 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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I believe in the moment which is myself.



Then call it yourself and not the moment.


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Re: No matter how open minded someone is, they still have beliefs by which they operate. [Re: pmoseman]
    #18828263 - 09/11/13 03:15 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Deviant. Markos. You guys really need to take up this sort of personal debating in private.
It just feels like Hannah opened a discussion about something she was interested in. Everyone came to discuss, and now you two have kind of taken over and started a a big long debate of your own.
Sort it out and get back to us.


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Re: No matter how open minded someone is, they still have beliefs by which they operate. [Re: pmoseman]
    #18828304 - 09/11/13 03:21 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Deviant. Markos. You guys really need to take up this sort of personal debating in private.
It just feels like Hannah opened a discussion about something she was interested in. Everyone came to discuss, and now you two have kind of taken over and started a a big long debate of your own.
Sort it out and get back to us.




I'm done. Besides, it IS an open forum. Not my fault if nobody else wants to get involved. :shrug:


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Re: No matter how open minded someone is, they still have beliefs by which they operate. [Re: pmoseman]
    #18828474 - 09/11/13 03:56 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Deviant. Markos. You guys really need to take up this sort of personal debating in private.
It just feels like Hannah opened a discussion about something she was interested in. Everyone came to discuss, and now you two have kind of taken over and started a a big long debate of your own.
Sort it out and get back to us.




Rofl, welcome to the shroomery!

get used to it.

I don't see Hannah posting anything anywhere anyways, if anything there's a lot of info being presented from multiple angles about the given topic.


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Re: No matter how open minded someone is, they still have beliefs by which they operate. [Re: HannahMichelle]
    #18828963 - 09/11/13 05:34 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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No matter how open minded someone is, or how many times they claim to not believe in anything for whatever reason, they still have beliefs by which they operate. A major, important difference is some people have valid or understandable reason for their beliefs while some do not even have an understanding or reasoning of their own. I believe I do have valid reason for mine, but I'll never stop being open minded and stop to think about and consider another persons beliefs or view points.

1. Bibliology: I believe the Bible I read from is pure and true, from the first word in Genesis until the last word in Revelations. People's thinking and interpretations are often flawed, but not the Bible.




How would you explain that the Bible says that God said "Thou shalt not kill", but also says that God said to kill your children or wife or husband or parents if they try to follow a different God?

Before Pope Irenaeus there was no single Bible. There were hundreds of gospels and the Jewish texts that make up the old testament. It was Irenaeus who analyzed the texts and selected those that he thought should be church doctrine. The books he selected became what we know as the Bible, today, and the other texts were eliminated. These are called the Apocrypha. The Gnostic Gospels are the best example of books related to the life of Christ which were rejected as being part of official church teaching.

The church picked things that fit their message and politics and left out the rest.

There were a very large number of early Christian people who disagreed with Irenaeus and with what he chose to include in the Bible. Therefore, when you say that you think the Bible is perfect, (in spite of its obvious contradictions), you are saying that you think Irenaeus's choices were perfect and that Irenaeus was perfect.

Your thinking that the bible is perfect "does not seem to have any valid or understandable reasons" (as you put it).


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Re: No matter how open minded someone is, they still have beliefs by which they operate. [Re: endogenous]
    #18829064 - 09/11/13 06:03 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Biblical infallibility is the by-line of orthodoxy. It is tradition-speak. It is a form of brainwashing. Irenaeus was a bastard from a Gnostic perspective. If the poster is interested in truth over tradition, she could take the time to watch this vid. I watched it last night and this morning. I am familiar with the Nag Hammadi library, as well as Bart Ehrman, the theologian, but I enjoy hearing other scholarly takes on truth that has been suppressed for so long in the history of Christianity.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=DQHz8GzeYNg


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Re: No matter how open minded someone is, they still have beliefs by which they operate. [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #18829779 - 09/11/13 08:30 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I love the apocryphal tales of the young Jesus. He was a total asshole. They left all those stories out. That's why you only read about Jesus' last year. He didn't do anything before that but prove he was an asshole. Then he finally got killed. But if you read about what he was like as a youth you would have applauded too.

Even now the remnants of Jesus' teaching only kill, separate, and pollute. They have only led this planet to the brink of destruction.

And you call him a messenger of love? 

I cry in my own puke when I think too much about it.


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Re: No matter how open minded someone is, they still have beliefs by which they operate. [Re: eve69]
    #18829850 - 09/11/13 08:46 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: No matter how open minded someone is, they still have beliefs by which they operate. [Re: pmoseman]
    #18830423 - 09/11/13 10:34 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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I believe in the moment which is myself.



Then call it yourself and not the moment.



No because people confuse self with ego. To be egoless is to be in the moment. Not wrapped up in my own crap that I created such as the bible for instance.

P.S. I'd like to point out it's impossible to live in the moment as it is impossible to be completely yourself.


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Re: No matter how open minded someone is, they still have beliefs by which they operate. [Re: eve69]
    #18830504 - 09/11/13 10:56 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Very colorful. Maybe you should wipe your face and take some Pepto-Bismol®. The apocryphal story about Iesous making birds of clay that get stomped by a bully, who he kills, and then turns the clay birds to real ones that fly away is also a very colorful example. I've read a lot of bogus stories and false gospels over the decades. I'm afraid you are taking things way too seriously. The truth of the matter is simply how truthful are you, and how kind are you? These are the measure of what someone understands. Results may vary.


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Re: No matter how open minded someone is, they still have beliefs by which they operate. [Re: Mad Season]
    #18830757 - 09/12/13 12:04 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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I believe in the moment which is myself.



Then call it yourself and not the moment.



No because people confuse self with ego. To be egoless is to be in the moment. Not wrapped up in my own crap that I created such as the bible for instance.

P.S. I'd like to point out it's impossible to live in the moment as it is impossible to be completely yourself.



People are confused by the term ego because no one ever uses it.
You could call it inhibition, and that is not necessarily a bad thing.
Inhibition can be worth a lot to you down the road.
All extremes are boundaries which cannot be crossed.
A completed journey for me, at this juncture, would be sad indeed.
The ego has abilities the primitive id never had; transforming itself is just one example.


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Re: No matter how open minded someone is, they still have beliefs by which they operate. [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #18836441 - 09/13/13 11:01 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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An unqualified NO. Christ's teaching is simple, but not easy. That is not the issue. The issue is that most people fail to see the assumptions they live by their entire lives. Liberating the Gospels was the most important book on scriptures that I read since graduating from seminary in 1978. I read it in the early 2000s. If you value my experience as you say, then you should read this statement as a very powerful one. I read a lot of books in the 25 years between between 1978 and 2003. You don't HAVE to read it, but if you want to have your eyes opened, and your mind blown, by all means read the book. It is not light reading, and it took me a while longer than any of his other books, but this is the one to read. It is well documented and not a matter of one man's opinion. It illustrates liturgical, cultural, and etymological origins of single words that changes everything.




Can you give me some more examples of how this book might benefit me?

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The entire notion of Mother Mary being a virgin, for example, is due to a mis-translation by the biblical author Matthew! How do we know? Because Matthew, like other Jews of the 1st century were reading the Tenach (OT) in Greek, not Hebrew. Greek was the lingua franca of that time, like English is today. The Greek Septuigint translated that passage in Isaiah 7:14,"Therefore will the Lord himself give you a sign: Behold, the virgin shall conceive and shall bring forth a son, and call his name Immanuel." Now I pulled this from Wiki:

"The author of the Gospel of Matthew used the Septuagint's translation of the Hebrew word almah as the Greek parthenos (unequivocally a virgin) in support of his concept of the virgin birth of Jesus. Scholars agree that almah has nothing to do with virginity 'per se', but many conservative Christians still judge the acceptability of new Bible translations by the way they deal with Isaiah 7:14."




And this is exactly why I am not super excited about the book. I have heard these ideas before, both that Mary being a virgin was due to a mistranslation as well as that it was intentionally told that way to add more significance to the birth of Jesus, highlighting what a monumental and rare event it was. Further evidence against the virgin birth can be inferred from Paul's letters as he never once mentions it. But this appears to be an area in which you and I differ. I personally don't care if Mary had sex with Jospeh. What difference does it make to me? Other than perhaps changing my recitation of the apostles creed when I pray the holy rosary, how would this affect my practice of the faith? My interest lies more along the lines of books like the Imitation of Christ which deal directly with the practical aspects of the Christian life. Thats not to say I dont have a strong academic interest in the Bible, I do enjoy learning about the scriptures a great deal. But I almost classify that interest as more academic and hobby like, than practical in the sense that I feel as though I am capable of practicing the faith without all that knowledge. Not that it isn't nice to have and of course I'm sure that one would pick up certain insights which would result in a better practice of the faith but it is by no means necessary in my opinion.

So I aplogize if I came accross as too harsh on you or argumentative. You are actually one of my favorite posters here as you are a bit like a walking spiritual encyclopedia. I just wanted to express my opinion that with all your knowledge and experience you can often come off as quite authoritative to young people who dont know nearly as much as you and for that reason, i would hope that you consider which points you want to emphasize. As I explained earlier, I am all for emphasizing the fact that God is within. The spiritual path can be very confusing and I dont want to overload people with information when love is really whats important. Me personally however, I am interested in the book you recommended although I would appreciate if you told me more about it. I am also very interested in the book of enoch which i read for first time recently. Do you have any thoughts on the enoch?


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The notion of an infallible Bible is completely absurd. Why, the gospels selected for the canonical Bible weren't even labelled in the original Greek. The names of the apostles were added by redactors. If you understand that the mistranslation of one single word is responsible for (1) a majority of ancient Jews rejecting the NT as Greek mythology, and (2) as the rationale for centuries of Christian nuns to maintain their virginity in emulation of a mythic Mary who was not a virgin in the biological sense, and (3) the source for additional theological inventions like the Immaculate Conception of Mary herself, to make her free from the 'taint' of sexual intercourse, you can see an arithmetic progression of fabricated concepts that all derive from one word! :eek: Look at the history of the Catholic Church alone. Did you ever read a child's catechism book wherein an illustration of a family is labelled "Good," but an illustration of monks, nuns, and priests is labelled "Better/Best?" I have. The St. Joseph Baltimore Cathechism for young Catholic children that I once owned. Almost two millennia of celibacy has been promulgated, despite the original Hebrew writings which never valued celibacy.




Ok, first of all the infallible Bible is a protestant notion. I being catholic, disagree with many protestant doctrines. Secondly I would be the first to tell you the catholic church isn't perfect. Thats not news to me. But if we are talking about serious, devout practice of the catholic faith vs a life of pursuing carnal pleasures, then the catholic faith is so far superior that it might as well be perfect. Thirdly, the issue of celibacy in the church is larger than what you have spoken to here. First of all, I am not convinced that no value was placed on celibacy. Doesnt St Paul speak of the benefits of being celibate saying that while being married was better than being on fire with lust, celibacy was even higher? ANd what about this passage in Isaiah : "The LORD will surely separate me from His people." Nor let the eunuch say, "Behold, I am a dry tree." 4For thus says the LORD, "To the eunuchs who keep My sabbaths, And choose what pleases Me, And hold fast My covenant, 5To them I will give in My house and within My walls a memorial, And a name better than that of sons and daughters; I will give them an everlasting name which will not be cut off.…"

I am not really sure what it means, just thought id throw it out there. You must also realize that priests were not always required to be celibate. But a lot of people were becoming preists for the wrong reasons. It was a decent and respectable job and so you had people who didnt really care about God doing it for the money. When the church instituted the celibacy rule, the hope was that it would make the priesthood unnapealing to all but the most holy and devout servants God. Fouthly, the celibacy of religious serves a purpose for society at large. It serves as a reminder to us that it is possible to find happiness, meaning and fullfillment in life without sex. In a society which has an unhealthy relationship with sex, which is in fact obsessed with sex and pleasure and human love and relationships, how powerful is it to see openly celibate people happily living their lives without the things that most of society deems as their purpose for being here? So I personally believe that regardless of where you stand on it, the celibacy debate comes down to more than one word.

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I don't mind being criticized, especially when you have clearly stated the points of your objections. Yes, a young person's spiritual life should be encouraged, and I can be too harsh at times, but understand that I was deceived by my own false assumptions for far too long. My spirituality was part adult and two parts childish imaginings. Spong's book Zen-slapped me Awake.




Can you give me some examples of this? What false assumptions were you deceived by? What has changed in you since? Allow me to say this though. The spiritual path is the path of awakening. It is the process of removing from ourselves, our false assumptions and delusions and replacing them with a solid foundation of love and faith. Here's the thing though, everyone is going to have false assumptions and misconceptions about spirituality. We dont come to the path with full knowledge. That's why we need religion/teaching. But everyone must develop according to their own karma, or the specific needs of their own soul. The path is never exactly the same for two souls. So in my opinion, what is most important is faith and devotion and perseverence. Recall the words of Jesus, seek and ye shall find. Knock and it shall be opened for you. Every soul must find its own way to God and God will provide a way for every soul provided it continues to seek and does not give up. Thus I feel like this should be what is emphasized to people in positions like the OP, especially when you have atheists attacking her and calling her post bullshit. Her faith may be the greatest gift God has given her and it must be nurtured. Challenging her understanding of the scriptures might not be the best way to do that. I also would like to emphasize the utter joy and bliss God gives. I like to focus on what is positive and powerful and universal, rather than trying to push people toward a certain interpretation of the scriptures. That is necessary sometimes but do you really know where her soul is right now on its journey from just single post? Perhaps it is developing other virtues and faculties and it will seek a deeper understanding of the scriptures later, when it is ready.

I want you to know that I am not critizing you with this post or even trying to debate or say that my approach is better than yours. I just wanted to express an alternate opinion.

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I didn't mind the pang because it worked. I HATE being deceived, even by myself. Many people do not want to be Awakened from their comforting illusions.




Of course peope dont want to be awakened from their comforting illusions. There is a big  disconnect between the amount of effort and sacrifice reuired to follow Jddddddddddddddddddddddd


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I've heard young adults say to their parents, "When we get to Heaven..." and I really want to stop them and take issue with their child-like statement,




What would you say to them? What is so wrong with their statemet anyway?


but then I realize we're visiting someone in a hospital, we're not in a seminar room. It's not my place unless asked. I found this with regard to your question on reincarnation. I first read misinformation about the Council of Chalcedon in the book Autobiography of a Yogi that I read in 1975, as I was finishing college, but this is a scholarly response:

Dr. Paul R. Eddy, Associate Professor of Theology at Bethel College in St. Paul, Minnesota, responds:

"...First, The Council of Nicea, the first of the seven Ecumenical councils, took place in 325 A.D. It was concerned with the teachings of Arius and their implications for a correct understanding of the person of Jesus Christ. The documents from this Council offer no evidence that the topic of reincarnation ever came up for discussion, let alone that it was condemned and removed from the Bible. No doubt this claim means to refer, rather, to the fifth Ecumenical Council, held in 553--the Council of Constantinople. The primary purpose of this Council was to ease the tensions in the Church caused by the Council of Chalcedon 100 years previous. Again, there is no evidence whatsoever that the idea of reincarnation was ever discussed, let alone condemned and purged from the Bible. What the reincarnationists are probably referring to here is the condemnation of Origenism, which included belief in the pre-existence of the soul. This should not, however, be confused with the notions of the karmic cycle of reincarnation. This is clear from Origen's own words on this matter when he writes of "the dogma of transmigration, which is foreign to the Church of God not handed down by the Apostles, nor anywhere set forth in the Scriptures." Other early theologians, including Irenaeus, Tertullian, and Gregory of Nyssa, also explicitly rejected the idea of reincarnation. Another problem with this theory is the fact that manuscripts of the Bible exist dating back to the third century. For example, the Bodmer Papyri (dated around 200-225), the Chester Beatty Papyri (dated around 200-250), Codex Vaticanus (dated around 325-350), and Codex Sinaiticus (dated around 340) are all documents written centuries prior to the 533 Council, and none of them reveal any supposed reincarnationist teachings that were removed from later editions of the Bible! Beyond this, it is known that the core canon of the Bible was essentially recognized and acknowledged throughout the orthodox Church as early as the late second and early third centuries, as evidenced by the list contained in the Muratorian Fragment (dated around 170). All of this points towards the impossibility of a conspiratorial purgation of the doctrine of reincarnation--or any other doctrine for that matter--from the Bible during any of the Ecumenical Councils." 

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Re: No matter how open minded someone is, they still have beliefs by which they operate. [Re: pmoseman]
    #18836512 - 09/13/13 11:17 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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teknix said:
I don't understand why Jesus is thanking himself for hiding stuff,...



Because Jesus likes to get his way and He learned that controlling people with opiates is easier than chains and whips.
Once he got a taste for willing donors, hiding it from the wise and intelligent prevented... inconveniences.







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Re: No matter how open minded someone is, they still have beliefs by which they operate. [Re: Deviate]
    #18837296 - 09/13/13 02:59 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Can you give me some more examples of how this book might benefit me?

No. If you're not interested in a scholarly explanation of organizing principles of how the NT was written based upon the Jewish liturgical calendar, e.g., how the 'three days' was in intended between Friday night and Sunday morning following the crucifixion (when it was clearly not three days), and a number of things that Christians simply gloss over without ever understanding their intended meanings, then don't bother reading the book. It's only one book man. I am not going to write a compendious confession on just how many point of it awakened me. $4.00 will buy you one on Amazon.com: http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/0060675578/ref=sr_1_1_olp?ie=UTF8&qid=1379103319&sr=8-1&keywords=liberating+the+gospels&condition=used

That passage about eunuchs is a consolation to them, who will never, as Genesis command, be able to "be fruitful and multiply." Among Jews even today, btw, the only cause for transmigration of the soul, called gilgul, is failure to "be fruitful and multiply." I am guilty of this. Orthodox Jews are just like traditional Catholics when it comes to large families. It is pretty clear from scriptures that Jesus had siblings. In fact there is a large book about James, brother of Jesus, who might have been entrusted with the role of Peter. Paul was mistaken about the 'end times,' Clearly, his apocalyptic understanding of the end of the world and the descent of the heavenly Jerusalem was just plain wrong. He abjured people to remain free and unencumbered, but to marry rather than "burn" with carnal desire. The questionable pseudo-Pauline letters that have woman not speaking in church, covering their heads, obeying their husbands, indicates another author. The genuine Pauline letters paint an entirely different, egalitarian picture of women "There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus." - Galatians 3:28. Either Paul had multiple personalities, or the NT contains letters by someone who was a misogynist. Some have suggested that the "thorn in my side" that Paul asked God to relieve him of, was a misogynistic homosexuality. Who knows? The pseudo-Paul clearly disliked women.

I like to focus on what is positive and powerful and universal, rather than trying to push people toward a certain interpretation of the scriptures.

I see nutters with sandwich signs, even recently, announcing the end of the world and a call for repentance. These folks are in the extreme, but many, many people haven't grokked that Paul was wrong.The end times are not near. They are inevitable for the planet, but who knows if life on the planet will continue until the sun goes nova, or, if you like Revelations, until asteroids fall to Earth. Of course the word in Greek is aster as in *asterisk* but unlike the fucktard fundamentalist who tried to pick a fistfight with me at work years ago, who suggested that "Maybe the sun is the size of a basketball, but God puts a force-field of some kind around it to make it look larger," stars cannot fall to Earth. Asteroids can!  But I digress. Paul was wrong about the immanent end, but he was also wrong in that the end of time occurs as soon as a human being begins to do what Eckhart Tolle teaches about the Realization of Being. Time ends when we Realize our Eternal Essence. This idea is closer to the theology of Thomas, not Paul. His entire vicarious sacrifice theology may well be totally wrong. Paul speaks to a 'partially-realized eschatology,' not a Thomistic 'fully-realized eschatology.' For Paul, the fulfillment of the kingdom of Heaven is at least partly IN time, in history. This was the messianic hope of the Jews, and continues to be a guiding mythos even today. Historical Jesus on the cross is interpreted as a metaphysical event that continues to resonate and effect people, instead of a psychospiritual movement in which we must sacrifice our egoic mind, moment-to-moment as Eckhart Tolle teaches. Tolle's understanding of Christianity, like an elaboration of Thomas' gospel hits me with total truth. Paul's vicarious sacrificial theology just dredges up the ancient Jewish temple sacrifices, Jesus being the final "lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world," and the rest of the OT sacrifices that I studied through a whole year of OT courses in seminary. Yecccch. I'll take a Buddhist or a Tollean interpretation of sacrifice any day.

The sayings that Christ has been victorious over death, for most theologies, does not mean that like the 'good thief,' "today you shall be with me in paradise" when you die. NO. For most theologies, one 'sleeps' in the dust until Judgement Day, the so-called Rapture, when the ''dead in Christ" will arise. I for one do not want to interpret scriptures AS IF these mythological descriptions of events IN TIME describe Reality. I'll listen to Tolle's interpretation more closely because it effects my moment-to-moment life here and now. Here and now refers to the Eternal Now, the Present, Presence. There is no Life-after-death. The Life Eternal doesn't begin at a point in time, with death. That is absurd. Life Eternal exists here and now and must be Realized. THIS is how interpretation of scriptures profoundly effects one's very life. Being a nice guy and waiting for God to do it for you at death is no doubt a big mistake for people who simply 'believe' and will be completely unprepared for death as they enter it still identified with their egoic mind, their mental, and astral sheaths of thoughts and feelings, expecting some Elysian Fields, like Heaven will be a perpetual church picnic with their loved ones. THAT is what's wrong with "...When we get into Heaven..."

Now then...This is becoming tedious. I've expressed the crux of the matters to you. Christian mainstream theologies are inherently flawed because of their reliance on time, on history, and hence upon temporally established church practices. This is why the Gnostics were so persecuted. Salvation was based upon Self-Realization and NOT about church-mediated sacraments including the eucharist, confession, etc., which made one absolutely dependent upon the priesthood and one's good standing in the church. I tried the Catholic trip, for years, and that is no small thing for a Jewish boy to have undergone. I was ostracized and rejected by much of my family. I entered a Methodist seminary because I Realized that I loved women. I was invited by Capuchin Reformed Franciscan, Benedictine and Cistercian monks to become a novitiate in their orders. BTW, they were all Gay, I was not. Revelation. :rolleyes: I guess I used to be cute as well as smart.


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