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No matter how open minded someone is, they still have beliefs by which they operate.
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No matter how open minded someone is, or how many times they claim to not believe in anything for whatever reason, they still have beliefs by which they operate. A major, important difference is some people have valid or understandable reason for their beliefs while some do not even have an understanding or reasoning of their own. I believe I do have valid reason for mine, but I'll never stop being open minded and stop to think about and consider another persons beliefs or view points.
1. Bibliology: I believe the Bible I read from is pure and true, from the first word in Genesis until the last word in Revelations. People's thinking and interpretations are often flawed, but not the Bible. The Bible also has power in it. I believe we can find advice from God for every situation and thing we encounter here on Earth.
2. Theology Proper: I believe God is good, and only wants good for us. He doesn't want to be the vain puppet master so many make Him out to be, so He gave us free will. I believe He is actively trying to help us and show us the way to Salvation and eternal happiness, we are just "asleep" and brainwashed by our culture, and wrapped up in our selves therefor we don't see Him or maybe even allow Him to be in our everyday life.
3. Christology: I believe Jesus Christ is God's Son and was born by a virgin and conquered death. He and His Father are one. I can't even begin to understand this, but maybe Jesus is an easier part of God for us Humans to comprehend and so God is also Jesus so we can accept God.
4. Pheunmatology: I believe the Holy Spirit is Gods gift to us Christians to help actively guide us in the life on earth. It is part of God that Humans can't comprehend, but hopefully when we get in heaven we can. The Holy Spirit is something you can feel when he moves you, when experienced it's unmistakable. I believe when your going on the right path he really leads you or when your going on the wrong path he really tries to lead you, but maybe not so much when your lukewarm.
5. Anthropology: I believe God never wanted to be a vain, puppet master therefor He gave us free will. Because we are made in God's image we are inherently good, but because we are all born into sin we are equally inherently bad. We just have to choose which one we want to be since we are not puppets.
6. Soterology: I believe the only thing we have to do to accept God's gift of Salvation is to chose to be on God's side, by confessing with our mouth that he is Lord and believing in our heart that God raised Him from the dead, just as the Bible says. Now I personally feel the need to give up my body and soul for God, and I will do that and give up and go wherever He calls me. If we decide later to reject Christ's gift then we can "lose" our salvation, just as you can wear a nice shirt with the tag tucked in, and return it without really "owning" the shirt; in a way they never really obtained that salvation. (Now once you die and are in heaven, you can't take that shirt back!)
7. Ecclesiology: I believe the Church is supposed to represent Jesus and do His work as best they can, as He no longer walks this Earth in flesh. The Church should be doing their best to save the souls of others, and urgently loving non believers unconditionally as Christ does us. Our purpose here on Earth is to save the souls of God's people and to encourage those losing faith, and to NOT BE DISTRACTED BY EARTHLY THINGS, STATUS, AND SUCCESS.
8. Eschatology: I'm not really sure what I believe or the order of events or what exactly happens. But I think Christians will be raptured, then the tribulation when sinners can repent and be saved by God, and if they die or make it until the end of the tribulation till the Second coming then they too can receive salvation. Then we will have the new perfect Earth God's word talks about.
All in all, I believe if you have a love for God, and try your best to understand him and worship Him then you will be saved. God knows the heart of His people. He knows we don't understand Him fully, but He doesn't ask us to. I'm really looking forward to meeting and getting to know my creator who has such an incredible love for me. I hope each day I learn to love and serve Him more and more!
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Re: No matter how open minded someone is, they still have beliefs by which they operate. [Re: HannahMichelle]
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HannahMichelle said: No matter how open minded someone is, or how many times they claim to not believe in anything for whatever reason, they still have beliefs by which they operate. A major, important difference is some people have valid or understandable reason for their beliefs while some do not even have an understanding or reasoning of their own. I believe I do have valid reason for mine, but I'll never stop being open minded and stop to think about and consider another persons beliefs or view points.
1. Bibliology: I believe the Bible I read from is pure and true, from the first word in Genesis until the last word in Revelations. People's thinking and interpretations are often flawed, but not the Bible. The Bible also has power in it. I believe we can find advice from God for every situation and thing we encounter here on Earth.
2. Theology Proper: I believe God is good, and only wants good for us. He doesn't want to be the vain puppet master so many make Him out to be, so He gave us free will. I believe He is actively trying to help us and show us the way to Salvation and eternal happiness, we are just "asleep" and brainwashed by our culture, and wrapped up in our selves therefor we don't see Him or maybe even allow Him to be in our everyday life.
3. Christology: I believe Jesus Christ is God's Son and was born by a virgin and conquered death. He and His Father are one. I can't even begin to understand this, but maybe Jesus is an easier part of God for us Humans to comprehend and so God is also Jesus so we can accept God.
4. Pheunmatology: I believe the Holy Spirit is Gods gift to us Christians to help actively guide us in the life on earth. It is part of God that Humans can't comprehend, but hopefully when we get in heaven we can. The Holy Spirit is something you can feel when he moves you, when experienced it's unmistakable. I believe when your going on the right path he really leads you or when your going on the wrong path he really tries to lead you, but maybe not so much when your lukewarm.
5. Anthropology: I believe God never wanted to be a vain, puppet master therefor He gave us free will. Because we are made in God's image we are inherently good, but because we are all born into sin we are equally inherently bad. We just have to choose which one we want to be since we are not puppets.
6. Soterology: I believe the only thing we have to do to accept God's gift of Salvation is to chose to be on God's side, by confessing with our mouth that he is Lord and believing in our heart that God raised Him from the dead, just as the Bible says. Now I personally feel the need to give up my body and soul for God, and I will do that and give up and go wherever He calls me. If we decide later to reject Christ's gift then we can "lose" our salvation, just as you can wear a nice shirt with the tag tucked in, and return it without really "owning" the shirt; in a way they never really obtained that salvation. (Now once you die and are in heaven, you can't take that shirt back!)
7. Ecclesiology: I believe the Church is supposed to represent Jesus and do His work as best they can, as He no longer walks this Earth in flesh. The Church should be doing their best to save the souls of others, and urgently loving non believers unconditionally as Christ does us. Our purpose here on Earth is to save the souls of God's people and to encourage those losing faith, and to NOT BE DISTRACTED BY EARTHLY THINGS, STATUS, AND SUCCESS.
8. Eschatology: I'm not really sure what I believe or the order of events or what exactly happens. But I think Christians will be raptured, then the tribulation when sinners can repent and be saved by God, and if they die or make it until the end of the tribulation till the Second coming then they too can receive salvation. Then we will have the new perfect Earth God's word talks about.
All in all, I believe if you have a love for God, and try your best to understand him and worship Him then you will be saved. God knows the heart of His people. He knows we don't understand Him fully, but He doesn't ask us to. I'm really looking forward to meeting and getting to know my creator who has such an incredible love for me. I hope each day I learn to love and serve Him more and more!
I think that is true if, you only consider a single perspective. (Your own perspective) Have you ever really considered someone else's perspective seriously? I mean actually try to see how they are seeing, without looking for differences from your view.
Nice write-up though, looks like you put a lot of thought into it.
My personal perspective that I normally choose to adhere to is the logical and rational one, that puts reason above belief. I think yours puts belief above reason.
Not that it matters if we all want what best, and look past our differences and focus on our sameness. We can all have Jesus in our hearts, if we believe in Jesus or not. (imo)
It might be cool to try to put reason above belief once in a while. Just to practice having an open mind.
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Re: No matter how open minded someone is, they still have beliefs by which they operate. [Re: HannahMichelle]
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Re: No matter how open minded someone is, they still have beliefs by which they operate. [Re: HannahMichelle]
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I agree with your post, OP. I too read the Bible and learn a lot from it, and believe in its inherent truth. However, sometimes in the Bible I come across something that, no matter how hard I try, I cannot synch with. A disharmony arises. In that case, I just keep an open mind, and allow the words to 'work their magic' in my mind and heart, trusting that they will find a place if I allow them to.
Yeah, the most important thing is to focus on a oneness with God and and openness to that. God/Jah will guide you quite obviously if you are able to perceive the love and energy, the cosmic blessing
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Re: No matter how open minded someone is, they still have beliefs by which they operate. [Re: g00ru]
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Incredibly bullshit post by OP.
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Re: No matter how open minded someone is, they still have beliefs by which they operate. [Re: eve69]
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thanks for your contribution, eve69
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Re: No matter how open minded someone is, they still have beliefs by which they operate. [Re: HannahMichelle]
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HannahMichelle said: No matter how open minded someone is, or how many times they claim to not believe in anything for whatever reason, they still have beliefs by which they operate. A major, important difference is some people have valid or understandable reason for their beliefs while some do not even have an understanding or reasoning of their own.

Only the awakened have deliberate beliefs.
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Re: No matter how open minded someone is, they still have beliefs by which they operate. [Re: g00ru]
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g00ru said: thanks for your contribution, eve69
She has not a belief but a hundred separate beliefs all of which are contradictory. I imagine this thread is more of a sounding out for her than a positive statement of what she actually thinks. What she thinks is momentary, as it is for all of us. The terms of our beliefs change.
She is young, and hasn't experienced much, or her beliefs wouldn't be so all or nothing. Therefore since it is merely her belief way station before actually experiencing life they are bullshit. To her they may mean something, but for me, they merely sound like a young Christian thinker trying to actually have an individual thought. It's very difficult for them.
This statement of her Christianity is posited as something alongside having an open mind. That is patent bullshit. She has no room for any other consideration than what white bread religious teachings she has eaten her fill of. There's no more room. Why does she even talk about having an open mind then talking all that specious Bible bullshit. Good is good, Jesus is truth, the Bible is the word of God.
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Re: No matter how open minded someone is, they still have beliefs by which they operate. [Re: eve69]
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she's not using writing to reinforce her belief system any more than you are. and after reading that I found it to be a bit more reflective than your typical "white bread christianity," whatever that means. maybe you mean people who watch t.v. evangelicals or something, or just 'conservatives' in general. you know just because someone comes off to you as being more naive or something, doesn't mean you can afford not to take them seriously. even if they are like 8 years old...
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Re: No matter how open minded someone is, they still have beliefs by which they operate. [Re: g00ru]
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You know what white bread Christianity is - it is the force of Christian religion which tells us if we don't worship Jesus were doomed - I need not for a second remind you of that
I reread the op post and I understand it even less now. I don't get this thread. What is it really about?
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Re: No matter how open minded someone is, they still have beliefs by which they operate. [Re: HannahMichelle]
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I don't need to burst your bubble. Provided that you continue to seek instead of stultify, your own discoveries will burst that belief-bubble all by yourself. Every Christian theological aspect that you mentioned has much earlier sources. The very construction of the New Testament can be illustrated to you on two important levels: the Jewish liturgical level, and the original stories of healing and resurrection in the Egyptian Pyramid texts and Coffin Texts. In fact, if you Really want to understand how the NT was constructed, you must be willing to deconstruct it - not by the apparently opposing instrument of reason, but by hermeneutical means, by demythologization, and by comparative theology with earlier sources.
I graduated from a reputable United Methodist seminary at Drew University in 1978, but it wasn't until the early 2000s until I discovered the work of Rev. John Shelby Spong. I have since has 3 occasions to speak with him. Of the dozen of Spong's books, I recommend just one: Liberating the Gospels: Reading the Bible With Jewish Eyes. More recently, I discovered a book that goes even further back in time to Egyptian sources, copiously documented: Christ in Egypt: The Horus-Jesus Connection. I'm not daring you here, but I am saying that if you want a greater balanced between reason and faith, you will read Spong's book. And if you want to see just what earlier writings were lifted almost verbatim to construct the numerous stories of miracles, healing, and resurrections in the NT, you will discover that "there are no new things under the sun." Your understanding of the importance of myth will expand, and you will be freer and less determined from psychological, social, and cultural determinants of behavior that keep you parroting the bylines of mere tradition. Tradtion does not equal Truth. You decide what you want most. 
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Re: No matter how open minded someone is, they still have beliefs by which they operate. [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
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MarkostheGnostic said: I don't need to burst your bubble. Provided that you continue to seek instead of stultify, your own discoveries will burst that belief-bubble all by yourself. Every Christian theological aspect that you mentioned has much earlier sources. The very construction of the New Testament can be illustrated to you on two important levels: the Jewish liturgical level, and the original stories of healing and resurrection in the Egyptian Pyramid texts and Coffin Texts. In fact, if you Really want to understand how the NT was constructed, you must be willing to deconstruct it - not by the apparently opposing instrument of reason, but by hermeneutical means, by demythologization, and by comparative theology with earlier sources.
I graduated from a reputable United Methodist seminary at Drew University in 1978, but it wasn't until the early 2000s until I discovered the work of Rev. John Shelby Spong. I have since has 3 occasions to speak with him. Of the dozen of Spong's books, I recommend just one: Liberating the Gospels: Reading the Bible With Jewish Eyes. More recently, I discovered a book that goes even further back in time to Egyptian sources, copiously documented: Christ in Egypt: The Horus-Jesus Connection. I'm not daring you here, but I am saying that if you want a greater balanced between reason and faith, you will read Spong's book. And if you want to see just what earlier writings were lifted almost verbatim to construct the numerous stories of miracles, healing, and resurrections in the NT, you will discover that "there are no new things under the sun." Your understanding of the importance of myth will expand, and you will be freer and less determined from psychological, social, and cultural determinants of behavior that keep you parroting the bylines of mere tradition. Tradtion does not equal Truth. You decide what you want most. 

Just wanted to reply so I could mark it in my threads, and remember to look at them thar books.
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Re: No matter how open minded someone is, they still have beliefs by which they operate. [Re: HannahMichelle]
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MarkostheGnostic said: I don't need to burst your bubble. Provided that you continue to seek instead of stultify, your own discoveries will burst that belief-bubble all by yourself. Every Christian theological aspect that you mentioned has much earlier sources. The very construction of the New Testament can be illustrated to you on two important levels: the Jewish liturgical level, and the original stories of healing and resurrection in the Egyptian Pyramid texts and Coffin Texts. In fact, if you Really want to understand how the NT was constructed, you must be willing to deconstruct it - not by the apparently opposing instrument of reason, but by hermeneutical means, by demythologization, and by comparative theology with earlier sources.
I graduated from a reputable United Methodist seminary at Drew University in 1978, but it wasn't until the early 2000s until I discovered the work of Rev. John Shelby Spong. I have since has 3 occasions to speak with him. Of the dozen of Spong's books, I recommend just one: Liberating the Gospels: Reading the Bible With Jewish Eyes. More recently, I discovered a book that goes even further back in time to Egyptian sources, copiously documented: Christ in Egypt: The Horus-Jesus Connection. I'm not daring you here, but I am saying that if you want a greater balanced between reason and faith, you will read Spong's book. And if you want to see just what earlier writings were lifted almost verbatim to construct the numerous stories of miracles, healing, and resurrections in the NT, you will discover that "there are no new things under the sun." Your understanding of the importance of myth will expand, and you will be freer and less determined from psychological, social, and cultural determinants of behavior that keep you parroting the bylines of mere tradition. Tradtion does not equal Truth. You decide what you want most. 

What was your real motivation behind this post? Was it to advertise books? To convert her to your belief system? I know you are familiar with Ramana Maharshi. He says we are already miserable with the knowledge that we have, why look for more knowledge? So that we can be even more miserable? He also says (speaking of the path to realization) the simple man is content with worship. FOr the realized man, there is no problem. The only problem is for the bookworms.
There is nothing wrong with seeking a greater understanding of one's religion. But what troubles me about your post is the overall attitude. Here we have what appears to be a young girl, filled with a firm conviction and a strong faith. Instead of encouraging her and commending her and urging her to continue along a spiritual path in life, instead you send her off in the direction of advanced intellectual, theological and historical understanding.
Don't get me wrong, there is nothing wrong with seeking such an understanding if that is what you desire. But in my humble opinion, that is not the first thing that should be emphasized. I personally feel like you would do her much better service by encouraging her along the path of love for Yahweh that Jesus taught. Love is far more important than advanced understanding of the scriptures. You don't need to know all that stuff that you know. The Christian life is a life of building up virtues, avoiding vice and growing in love for God and surrendering oneself to him.
As Ramana Maharshi says, love for God and faith in Him fixes all things. He constantly reminded people to lay down their intellects and turn their attention within, in search of the source. Why seek so much knowledge when all one really needs to know can be summed up in a few paragraphs? Why is the Bible so long? It states the truth over and over in so many ways in order that it may sink in better. But the truth itself, is very simple. So why not point youngsters in the direction of the living truth instead of pointing them toward deeper intellectual understanding? It doesn't even have to be instead, you could do both. But youre emphasizing the wrong thing, in my opinion. Not everyone is like you and needs to know everything about everything. But you seem to think that everyone should be like you. You say "tradition does not equal truth". Neither does intellectual knowledge. The Imitation of Christ asks us what does it profit a man to have an intimate knowledge of the scriptures if he does not do what they say? I believe the emphases should be on practice rather than theory.
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Re: No matter how open minded someone is, they still have beliefs by which they operate. [Re: HannahMichelle]
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Hannah, to reason and reasoning defined this way:
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the power of the mind to think, understand, and form judgments by a process of logic. "there is a close connection between reason and emotion" synonyms: rationality, logic, logical thought
verb 1. think, understand, and form judgments by a process of logic. "humans do not reason entirely from facts" synonyms: think rationally, think logically, use one's common sense, use one's head/brain
Google:"define reason"
Contradiction aren't considered reasonable. I think that using your beliefs as a reason is contrary to the premise, and develops closed mindedness.
Take what Markos says seriously, he is an expert about this stuff.
Use reason to reason.
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Re: No matter how open minded someone is, they still have beliefs by which they operate. [Re: teknix]
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Greetings all! It's been years since I've been on Shroomery. I wrote on here a lot when I was a theology major in college and I'm now a Lutheran pastor. I actually stopped using this site because of disrespectful people (like a certain someone in this thread) who call other people's beliefs incredible bullshit to strengthen their own ego. But a good friend of mine thought I'd find this thread interesting and so I thought it'd be worth putting my two cents in.
I have a book by Rev. Sponge, I've also read "Jesus: A Revolutionary Biography" by John Dominic Crossan who is another famous historical Jesus scholar, and a member of the Jesus Seminar. He doesn't believe in miracles or a literal resurrection and discusses a lot of the symbolism behind the stories of Jesus. Our New Testament professor had us read his book and it shook up a lot of people's faith. It was a good thing to be exposed to. To consider both sides, another good book on that subject is "The Jesus Legend" by Gregory Boyd and Paul Eddy which makes the case that the Jesus of the synoptic gospels (Matthew, Mark, and Luke) are the best case we have for the historical Jesus.
Also I should say there is very little evidence to support the idea that Jesus is copied from Horus. Most people believe this because of a youtube Zeitgeist film, but the claims made in Zeitgeist are simply untrue. It is true that virgin birth stories and reports of miracles are common throughout the ancient world, but that's about it.
I went through a phase where I was really interested in deconstructing the "real Jesus" but after years of studying it I've learned that we'll never know. We can study all we want and it's very interesting to try and learn as much as possible, but what I'm really into now is mysticism. So my book suggestions would be "The Cloud of Unknowing" a 14th century book on Christian mysticism by an anonymous author. Another great contemporary one is "Open Heart, Open Mind" by Trappist monk Thomas Keating. I've found that the contemplative tradition has helped me grow immensely and I recommend meditation, prayer, and community worship to my parishioners as the essential means of connecting to God and growing in faith and wisdom.
As a Lutheran pastor I must say though Hannah, that it can be dangerous theology for a Christian to feel they must "choose" to believe in Christ. Martin Luther never felt like he had enough faith and it led him to extreme depression and despair, until he realized that faith is itself a gift from God. Possibly something to consider in terms of free will. Luther claimed we have choice for things below us-- like what we eat and wear; but that we have no choice with those above us--like faith in God. I still go back and forth on the issue of free will myself, but I do see faith as a gift and not a choice.
My take on the issue of truth is that the Holy Spirit is at work in all religions, the Bible is inspired but not something always to be taken literally. Sometimes the biblical authors seem to not be being literal and other times its clear they are claiming certain things literally happened. Most of it depends on literary genre. Certain books of the Bible are ancient Mesopotamian legends (Genesis ch. 1-11) what a professor of mine called "truth conveyed in myth". Other books are clearly historical accounts of wars, kings, and national disasters that have little to do with theology and more the history of the Jewish people. Other books are poetry, letters, and prophetic accounts responding to the Babylonian destruction of Jerusalem. Then the New Testament is the struggle to make sense of the life of Jesus, someone the authors believed changed the world and who they saw after he was killed.
As you said, please do always keep an open mind. Clearly I'm coming from a Christian perspective and I'm writing here with pastoral concerns. I want to encourage you HannahMichelle to keep studying and learning as much as possible, but do remember that the essential lessons of faith, hope, and love are gifts from God. Like Jesus said: βI thank you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and the intelligent and have revealed them to infants; yes, Father, for such was your gracious will" (Luke 10:21 NRSV). That verse really encouraged me when I studied so much it got confusing. Not saying it's wrong to be wise and intelligent, but the basics are about experiencing God's joy, peace, and love.
I hope that is a useful contribution to this discussion. And forgive me for being long-winded! God bless!
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Re: No matter how open minded someone is, they still have beliefs by which they operate. [Re: Truthseeker316]
#18820808 - 09/09/13 08:57 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I don't understand why Jesus is thanking himself for hiding stuff, (if he is to be considered as god)? Why would you thank god for hiding the truth, if the purpose of the bible is to teach the truth?
" βI thank you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and the intelligent and have revealed them to infants; yes, Father, for such was your gracious will""
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Re: No matter how open minded someone is, they still have beliefs by which they operate. [Re: Deviate] 1
#18820840 - 09/09/13 09:03 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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It states the truth over and over in so many ways
Truth. A good feeling doesn't fulfill those out for the Truth, Light, the Way. Its more complicated than a feeling that you are part of something. The history is important, no?, if one is to believe. In what??
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