Home | Community | Message Board

Avalon Magic Plants
This site includes paid links. Please support our sponsors.


Welcome to the Shroomery Message Board! You are experiencing a small sample of what the site has to offer. Please login or register to post messages and view our exclusive members-only content. You'll gain access to additional forums, file attachments, board customizations, encrypted private messages, and much more!

Shop: Mushroom-Hut Mono Tub Substrate   MagicBag.co All-In-One Bags That Don't Suck   Left Coast Kratom Buy Kratom Extract   Myyco.com Isolated Cubensis Liquid Culture For Sale   Kraken Kratom Red Vein Kratom   North Spore Bulk Substrate   Original Sensible Seeds Bulk Cannabis Seeds   PhytoExtractum Maeng Da Thai Kratom Leaf Powder

Jump to first unread post Pages: 1 | 2 | Next >  [ show all ]
Some of these posts are very old and might contain outdated information. You may wish to search for newer posts instead.
OfflineCpt.Crunch
Humanitarian


Registered: 08/09/13
Posts: 353
Last seen: 9 years, 7 months
Side pinning is not that bad?
    #18816284 - 09/08/13 06:38 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I have done some research on side pinning and RogerRabbit says that they aren't that bad and they're natural.

The Pros of side pinning are :

Bigger yield and Less Work (plastic bag liner)

The Cons Are

They might rot and contam your monotub, and it's harder to clean the tub out without a bag liner.


I plan on doing one flush monotubs anyways, so is not putting a plastic bag liner really that big a deal?

Are there any Cons about side pinning that I do not know of?

Thanks


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineStromriderM
This must be the place
Male User Gallery


Registered: 06/02/13
Posts: 7,338
Loc: Dept of know what I'm say... Flag
Last seen: 2 hours, 31 minutes
Trusted Cultivator
Re: Side pinning is not that bad? [Re: Cpt.Crunch]
    #18816307 - 09/08/13 06:44 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I have done both and I recommend a liner. Those side pins are a bitch to harvest.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflinePussyFart
Retired Cultivation Extrodinaire
Male


Registered: 04/08/12
Posts: 22,502
Loc: Orbiting Earth
Last seen: 1 month, 11 days
Trusted Cultivator
Re: Side pinning is not that bad? [Re: Cpt.Crunch]
    #18816310 - 09/08/13 06:45 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Cpt.Crunch said:
I have done some research on side pinning and RogerRabbit says that they aren't that bad and they're natural.

The Pros of side pinning are :

Bigger yield and Less Work (plastic bag liner)




Side pinning does not give you a better yield, it just spreads out the yield over more surface area.

Adding a liner is not that much more work.

Quote:

Cpt.Crunch said:
The Cons Are

They might rot and contam your monotub, and it's harder to clean the tub out without a bag liner.



They will not rot and contam the substrate, that is just silly.

And it's not any harder to clean the tub, it makes it easier to remove the substrate, and that's about it.

The tub will still require the same amount of cleaning, soap and water.

Quote:

Cpt.Crunch said:
I plan on doing one flush monotubs anyways, so is not putting a plastic bag liner really that big a deal?

Are there any Cons about side pinning that I do not know of?



It's not that big of deal if you don't mind harvesting them.

Harvesting side pins usually just tears up my substrate, so i use a liner and only fruit one side.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineCpt.Crunch
Humanitarian


Registered: 08/09/13
Posts: 353
Last seen: 9 years, 7 months
Re: Side pinning is not that bad? [Re: PussyFart]
    #18816332 - 09/08/13 06:54 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Side pinning does not give you a better yield, it just spreads out the yield over more surface area.






Do you think certain strains of Cubensis would be better than others in terms of side pinning? For example, B+ cubensis caps are usually ball shaped and the caps don't really expand. But PESA like to spread their cap, do you think side pinning PESA would be stunted where as B+ wouldn't really be affected if they sprouted on the sides?

Quote:

They will not rot and contam the substrate, that is just silly.




This is good news. Thanks.


Edited by Cpt.Crunch (09/08/13 06:54 PM)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineCpt.Crunch
Humanitarian


Registered: 08/09/13
Posts: 353
Last seen: 9 years, 7 months
Re: Side pinning is not that bad? [Re: Cpt.Crunch]
    #18816339 - 09/08/13 06:56 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

I have done both and I recommend a liner. Those side pins are a bitch to harvest.




What do you mean by they are a bitch to harvest?? Are you trying to harvest them while they are still in the monotub or do you remove the block from the monotub and then try to harvest?

I plan on removing the whole block from the monotub sorta like when you remove the PF cakes from their jars, and then I plan on cutting them all of the sides and disposing of the block of substrate.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineStromriderM
This must be the place
Male User Gallery


Registered: 06/02/13
Posts: 7,338
Loc: Dept of know what I'm say... Flag
Last seen: 2 hours, 31 minutes
Trusted Cultivator
Re: Side pinning is not that bad? [Re: Cpt.Crunch]
    #18816350 - 09/08/13 07:00 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Cpt.Crunch said:
Quote:

I have done both and I recommend a liner. Those side pins are a bitch to harvest.




What do you mean by they are a bitch to harvest?? Are you trying to harvest them while they are still in the monotub or do you remove the block from the monotub and then try to harvest?

I plan on removing the whole block from the monotub sorta like when you remove the PF cakes from their jars, and then I plan on cutting them all of the sides and disposing of the block of substrate.




Well I guess if you are going to pull out the substrate they won't be hard to harvest. You won't be able to pull it out in one piece without a liner.

Why wouldn't you want to let it flush a second time? I have had some pretty damn good second flushes


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineStromriderM
This must be the place
Male User Gallery


Registered: 06/02/13
Posts: 7,338
Loc: Dept of know what I'm say... Flag
Last seen: 2 hours, 31 minutes
Trusted Cultivator
Re: Side pinning is not that bad? [Re: Stromrider]
    #18816358 - 09/08/13 07:02 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Cpt.Crunch said:
Do you think certain strains of Cubensis would be better than others in terms of side pinning? For example, B+ cubensis caps are usually ball shaped and the caps don't really expand. But PESA like to spread their cap, do you think side pinning PESA would be stunted where as B+ wouldn't really be affected if they sprouted on the sides?





No. They all grow the same. They are all cubes


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineCpt.Crunch
Humanitarian


Registered: 08/09/13
Posts: 353
Last seen: 9 years, 7 months
Re: Side pinning is not that bad? [Re: Stromrider]
    #18816372 - 09/08/13 07:07 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Why wouldn't you want to let it flush a second time? I have had some pretty damn good second flushes




Mostly just a time thing, would say that First Flushes are normally larger than second flushes?

I've never done a monotub, but i've had larger second flushes on PF tek though so I was wondering if its the same with monotubs.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineStromriderM
This must be the place
Male User Gallery


Registered: 06/02/13
Posts: 7,338
Loc: Dept of know what I'm say... Flag
Last seen: 2 hours, 31 minutes
Trusted Cultivator
Re: Side pinning is not that bad? [Re: Cpt.Crunch]
    #18816378 - 09/08/13 07:09 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I think the first flush is always the largest in a mono. Atleast that has been the case for me. I have still had over 2 oz on second flush. That is a substantial amount imo


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinesmegzilla69
StrangerDanger
 User Gallery


Registered: 09/02/12
Posts: 1,129
Last seen: 4 years, 7 months
Re: Side pinning is not that bad? [Re: Stromrider]
    #18816392 - 09/08/13 07:12 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I would definitely say add a liner I have done both n with out one is such a bitch to cut the lower ones and this also creates a higher chance of bottom fruits which r a pain in the ass


--------------------

EVERYTHING I SAY IS A LIE!!! N ALL MY PICS R STOLEN
WORTH EVERY PENNY!!!!watch it pay for it self in # of high yield flushes!
SO DOPE
"The true sign of intelligence is not knowledge but imagination. "  Albert.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineCpt.Crunch
Humanitarian


Registered: 08/09/13
Posts: 353
Last seen: 9 years, 7 months
Re: Side pinning is not that bad? [Re: Stromrider]
    #18816401 - 09/08/13 07:13 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

I think the first flush is always the largest in a mono. Atleast that has been the case for me.




How many oz's do you usually get on your first flushes?

And how long on average does it usually take you to go from colonizing monotub to fully grown first flush?

Lots of questions I know , lol just curious.


Edited by Cpt.Crunch (09/08/13 07:13 PM)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflinePussyFart
Retired Cultivation Extrodinaire
Male


Registered: 04/08/12
Posts: 22,502
Loc: Orbiting Earth
Last seen: 1 month, 11 days
Trusted Cultivator
Re: Side pinning is not that bad? [Re: Cpt.Crunch]
    #18816407 - 09/08/13 07:16 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Cpt.Crunch said:
Quote:

Side pinning does not give you a better yield, it just spreads out the yield over more surface area.






Do you think certain strains of Cubensis would be better than others in terms of side pinning? For example, B+ cubensis caps are usually ball shaped and the caps don't really expand. But PESA like to spread their cap, do you think side pinning PESA would be stunted where as B+ wouldn't really be affected if they sprouted on the sides?



B+ is not a strain, it is a variety.

A strain is a single set of genetics.

B+ does not always have ""caps are usually ball shaped and the caps don't really expand"", that is also just plain silly, and ignorant.

Cubes are cubes, and strain in mushrooms is not the same as strain in pot growing.

There are no varieties that are known to colonize faster, perform better, or yield more than any other cube...you cannot tell a B+ from a GT or even a cambodian, they are all essentially the same.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineStromriderM
This must be the place
Male User Gallery


Registered: 06/02/13
Posts: 7,338
Loc: Dept of know what I'm say... Flag
Last seen: 2 hours, 31 minutes
Trusted Cultivator
Re: Side pinning is not that bad? [Re: Cpt.Crunch]
    #18816426 - 09/08/13 07:23 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Cpt.Crunch said:
Quote:

I think the first flush is always the largest in a mono. Atleast that has been the case for me.




How many oz's do you usually get on your first flushes?

And how long on average does it usually take you to go from colonizing monotub to fully grown first flush?

Lots of questions I know , lol just curious.




Yield depends greatly on individual genetics and I don't mean which "strain" it is. Everytime you inoculate with spores you get unique genetics. It can be anywhere from nearly nothing to 8 oz

As for how long I'd say average 2 weeks from 100% to harvest but that varies with genetics and conditions


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinedodgem
Learner
 User Gallery


Registered: 08/04/11
Posts: 2,683
Last seen: 7 months, 7 days
Re: Side pinning is not that bad? [Re: PussyFart]
    #18816436 - 09/08/13 07:26 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I do not mind side pins at all, but I also don't mind the 'extra' work you all speak of.  And I do not believe liners stop side pins, may have more to do with light.  Someone did a bit of experiment and found that out, but I forget who.  I need to find that thread again.  Here is my last tub with a plastic garbage bag liner. 



--------------------
Walk where you like your steps


Edited by dodgem (09/08/13 08:03 PM)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineStromriderM
This must be the place
Male User Gallery


Registered: 06/02/13
Posts: 7,338
Loc: Dept of know what I'm say... Flag
Last seen: 2 hours, 31 minutes
Trusted Cultivator
Re: Side pinning is not that bad? [Re: dodgem]
    #18816448 - 09/08/13 07:31 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I think it has a lot to do with light too. Oh lord I'll probably get flamed for that statement


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflinePussyFart
Retired Cultivation Extrodinaire
Male


Registered: 04/08/12
Posts: 22,502
Loc: Orbiting Earth
Last seen: 1 month, 11 days
Trusted Cultivator
Re: Side pinning is not that bad? [Re: dodgem]
    #18816449 - 09/08/13 07:32 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

dodgem said:
I do not mind side pins at all, but I also don't mind the 'extra' work you all speak of.  And I do not believe liners stop side pins, may have more to do with light.  Someone did a bit of experiment and found that out, but I forget who.  I need to find that thread again.  Here is my last tub with a plastic garbage bag linear. 



While you are looking for that thread, I will link you to this one....

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/18810709#18810709


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlineblueconfusion
Strangest
 User Gallery


Registered: 12/14/12
Posts: 1,727
Last seen: 13 hours, 30 minutes
Re: Side pinning is not that bad? [Re: Stromrider]
    #18816451 - 09/08/13 07:32 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

A couple of grows ago I didnt use a linear I will never do that again most of my flush ended up being bottom pins I only got 2 oz. from the first flush and it quickly contamed.  Using a linear not only makes better flushes but all you have to do is pop the linear out I did get some nice big side pins but not as nice as getting 6 oz. using a linear...


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleStygianKnight
A Mushroom

Registered: 03/12/12
Posts: 2,717
Trusted Cultivator
Re: Side pinning is not that bad? [Re: dodgem]
    #18816468 - 09/08/13 07:39 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I like side pins and side pin on purpose.
They increase overall surface area which may make for larger individual flushes but not overall yield.

Don't take the whole block out, it's not needed and easy to crack (if you want to pull the block in and out using a liner is a better idea as it gives something to hold on to).
For easier side pin access hold the tub slanted and shake/jiggle the substrate to one corner, harvest pins on other side, then repeat.

The only use I've found with side pins is that it can tell you if the FAE and RH is too low on the surface (not right and you will see massive side pinning with nothing in the center).  Otherwise it's just personal preference.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinesmegzilla69
StrangerDanger
 User Gallery


Registered: 09/02/12
Posts: 1,129
Last seen: 4 years, 7 months
Re: Side pinning is not that bad? [Re: StygianKnight]
    #18816508 - 09/08/13 07:52 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I have done I side by side of liner no liner and the one with a liner got 2 oz and the one with our a liner got 1oz that was ms tho so those outcomes are not a reliable reference


--------------------

EVERYTHING I SAY IS A LIE!!! N ALL MY PICS R STOLEN
WORTH EVERY PENNY!!!!watch it pay for it self in # of high yield flushes!
SO DOPE
"The true sign of intelligence is not knowledge but imagination. "  Albert.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineCpt.Crunch
Humanitarian


Registered: 08/09/13
Posts: 353
Last seen: 9 years, 7 months
Re: Side pinning is not that bad? [Re: StygianKnight]
    #18816514 - 09/08/13 07:55 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I see how bottom pins can be a problem?

Do you think that instead of placing the normal garbage bag on the bottom + 1/2 inch above the substrate on all 4 sides that I could just place some plastic trash bag on the very bottom of the tote + 1 inch up all the sides (not 1 inch above substrate level just 1 inch from the bottom of each side) to reduce chance of bottom pinning?


Edited by Cpt.Crunch (09/08/13 07:58 PM)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Jump to top Pages: 1 | 2 | Next >  [ show all ]

Shop: Mushroom-Hut Mono Tub Substrate   MagicBag.co All-In-One Bags That Don't Suck   Left Coast Kratom Buy Kratom Extract   Myyco.com Isolated Cubensis Liquid Culture For Sale   Kraken Kratom Red Vein Kratom   North Spore Bulk Substrate   Original Sensible Seeds Bulk Cannabis Seeds   PhytoExtractum Maeng Da Thai Kratom Leaf Powder


Similar ThreadsPosterViewsRepliesLast post
* Too many pins = Bad or Good? f8L 1,208 6 10/11/02 12:17 AM
by DERRAYLD
* Has anyone tried harvesting VERY early? BigJohnson 2,109 5 04/10/03 05:38 PM
by BigJohnson
* Myco-Bag Not Pinning manna420 1,914 10 01/30/02 12:10 PM
by Workman
* from birth to pins ajg2425 1,405 7 01/21/03 07:58 AM
by ajg2425
* Pinning Or Contam? CCo132M60 970 3 11/07/02 01:00 PM
by dog
* how long till harvest? wheelerd 2,606 9 11/18/01 05:03 PM
by DrJoseph
* Pinning still not happening, what am I doing wrong?
( 1 2 all )
JohnnyRespect 2,123 24 05/07/03 07:26 AM
by JohnnyRespect
* cleaning harvest northwood 1,411 4 04/09/02 10:24 AM
by babyshroom

Extra information
You cannot start new topics / You cannot reply to topics
HTML is disabled / BBCode is enabled
Moderator: Shroomism, george castanza, RogerRabbit, veggie, mushboy, fahtster, LogicaL Chaos, 13shrooms, Stipe-n Cap, Pastywhyte, bodhisatta, Tormato, Land Trout, A.k.a
6,837 topic views. 25 members, 163 guests and 31 web crawlers are browsing this forum.
[ Show Images Only | Sort by Score | Print Topic ]
Search this thread:

Copyright 1997-2024 Mind Media. Some rights reserved.

Generated in 0.031 seconds spending 0.005 seconds on 14 queries.