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Cpt.Crunch
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Side pinning is not that bad?
#18816284 - 09/08/13 06:38 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I have done some research on side pinning and RogerRabbit says that they aren't that bad and they're natural.
The Pros of side pinning are :
Bigger yield and Less Work (plastic bag liner)
The Cons Are
They might rot and contam your monotub, and it's harder to clean the tub out without a bag liner.
I plan on doing one flush monotubs anyways, so is not putting a plastic bag liner really that big a deal?
Are there any Cons about side pinning that I do not know of?
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Re: Side pinning is not that bad? [Re: Cpt.Crunch]
#18816307 - 09/08/13 06:44 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I have done both and I recommend a liner. Those side pins are a bitch to harvest.
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Re: Side pinning is not that bad? [Re: Cpt.Crunch]
#18816310 - 09/08/13 06:45 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Cpt.Crunch said: I have done some research on side pinning and RogerRabbit says that they aren't that bad and they're natural.
The Pros of side pinning are :
Bigger yield and Less Work (plastic bag liner)
Side pinning does not give you a better yield, it just spreads out the yield over more surface area.
Adding a liner is not that much more work.
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Cpt.Crunch said: The Cons Are
They might rot and contam your monotub, and it's harder to clean the tub out without a bag liner.
They will not rot and contam the substrate, that is just silly.
And it's not any harder to clean the tub, it makes it easier to remove the substrate, and that's about it.
The tub will still require the same amount of cleaning, soap and water.
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Cpt.Crunch said: I plan on doing one flush monotubs anyways, so is not putting a plastic bag liner really that big a deal?
Are there any Cons about side pinning that I do not know of?
It's not that big of deal if you don't mind harvesting them.
Harvesting side pins usually just tears up my substrate, so i use a liner and only fruit one side.
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Re: Side pinning is not that bad? [Re: PussyFart]
#18816332 - 09/08/13 06:54 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Side pinning does not give you a better yield, it just spreads out the yield over more surface area.
Do you think certain strains of Cubensis would be better than others in terms of side pinning? For example, B+ cubensis caps are usually ball shaped and the caps don't really expand. But PESA like to spread their cap, do you think side pinning PESA would be stunted where as B+ wouldn't really be affected if they sprouted on the sides?
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They will not rot and contam the substrate, that is just silly.
This is good news. Thanks.
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Re: Side pinning is not that bad? [Re: Cpt.Crunch]
#18816339 - 09/08/13 06:56 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I have done both and I recommend a liner. Those side pins are a bitch to harvest.
What do you mean by they are a bitch to harvest?? Are you trying to harvest them while they are still in the monotub or do you remove the block from the monotub and then try to harvest?
I plan on removing the whole block from the monotub sorta like when you remove the PF cakes from their jars, and then I plan on cutting them all of the sides and disposing of the block of substrate.
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Re: Side pinning is not that bad? [Re: Cpt.Crunch]
#18816350 - 09/08/13 07:00 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I have done both and I recommend a liner. Those side pins are a bitch to harvest.
What do you mean by they are a bitch to harvest?? Are you trying to harvest them while they are still in the monotub or do you remove the block from the monotub and then try to harvest?
I plan on removing the whole block from the monotub sorta like when you remove the PF cakes from their jars, and then I plan on cutting them all of the sides and disposing of the block of substrate.
Well I guess if you are going to pull out the substrate they won't be hard to harvest. You won't be able to pull it out in one piece without a liner.
Why wouldn't you want to let it flush a second time? I have had some pretty damn good second flushes
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Re: Side pinning is not that bad? [Re: Stromrider]
#18816358 - 09/08/13 07:02 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Cpt.Crunch said: Do you think certain strains of Cubensis would be better than others in terms of side pinning? For example, B+ cubensis caps are usually ball shaped and the caps don't really expand. But PESA like to spread their cap, do you think side pinning PESA would be stunted where as B+ wouldn't really be affected if they sprouted on the sides?
No. They all grow the same. They are all cubes
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Re: Side pinning is not that bad? [Re: Stromrider]
#18816372 - 09/08/13 07:07 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Why wouldn't you want to let it flush a second time? I have had some pretty damn good second flushes
Mostly just a time thing, would say that First Flushes are normally larger than second flushes?
I've never done a monotub, but i've had larger second flushes on PF tek though so I was wondering if its the same with monotubs.
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Re: Side pinning is not that bad? [Re: Cpt.Crunch]
#18816378 - 09/08/13 07:09 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I think the first flush is always the largest in a mono. Atleast that has been the case for me. I have still had over 2 oz on second flush. That is a substantial amount imo
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Re: Side pinning is not that bad? [Re: Stromrider]
#18816392 - 09/08/13 07:12 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I would definitely say add a liner I have done both n with out one is such a bitch to cut the lower ones and this also creates a higher chance of bottom fruits which r a pain in the ass
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Re: Side pinning is not that bad? [Re: Stromrider]
#18816401 - 09/08/13 07:13 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I think the first flush is always the largest in a mono. Atleast that has been the case for me.
How many oz's do you usually get on your first flushes?
And how long on average does it usually take you to go from colonizing monotub to fully grown first flush?
Lots of questions I know , lol just curious.
Edited by Cpt.Crunch (09/08/13 07:13 PM)
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Re: Side pinning is not that bad? [Re: Cpt.Crunch]
#18816407 - 09/08/13 07:16 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Side pinning does not give you a better yield, it just spreads out the yield over more surface area.
Do you think certain strains of Cubensis would be better than others in terms of side pinning? For example, B+ cubensis caps are usually ball shaped and the caps don't really expand. But PESA like to spread their cap, do you think side pinning PESA would be stunted where as B+ wouldn't really be affected if they sprouted on the sides?
B+ is not a strain, it is a variety.
A strain is a single set of genetics.
B+ does not always have ""caps are usually ball shaped and the caps don't really expand"", that is also just plain silly, and ignorant.
Cubes are cubes, and strain in mushrooms is not the same as strain in pot growing.
There are no varieties that are known to colonize faster, perform better, or yield more than any other cube...you cannot tell a B+ from a GT or even a cambodian, they are all essentially the same.
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Re: Side pinning is not that bad? [Re: Cpt.Crunch]
#18816426 - 09/08/13 07:23 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I think the first flush is always the largest in a mono. Atleast that has been the case for me.
How many oz's do you usually get on your first flushes?
And how long on average does it usually take you to go from colonizing monotub to fully grown first flush?
Lots of questions I know , lol just curious.
Yield depends greatly on individual genetics and I don't mean which "strain" it is. Everytime you inoculate with spores you get unique genetics. It can be anywhere from nearly nothing to 8 oz
As for how long I'd say average 2 weeks from 100% to harvest but that varies with genetics and conditions
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Re: Side pinning is not that bad? [Re: PussyFart]
#18816436 - 09/08/13 07:26 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I do not mind side pins at all, but I also don't mind the 'extra' work you all speak of. And I do not believe liners stop side pins, may have more to do with light. Someone did a bit of experiment and found that out, but I forget who. I need to find that thread again. Here is my last tub with a plastic garbage bag liner.
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Re: Side pinning is not that bad? [Re: dodgem]
#18816448 - 09/08/13 07:31 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I think it has a lot to do with light too. Oh lord I'll probably get flamed for that statement
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Re: Side pinning is not that bad? [Re: dodgem]
#18816449 - 09/08/13 07:32 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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dodgem said: I do not mind side pins at all, but I also don't mind the 'extra' work you all speak of. And I do not believe liners stop side pins, may have more to do with light. Someone did a bit of experiment and found that out, but I forget who. I need to find that thread again. Here is my last tub with a plastic garbage bag linear.
While you are looking for that thread, I will link you to this one....
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/18810709#18810709
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Re: Side pinning is not that bad? [Re: Stromrider]
#18816451 - 09/08/13 07:32 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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A couple of grows ago I didnt use a linear I will never do that again most of my flush ended up being bottom pins I only got 2 oz. from the first flush and it quickly contamed. Using a linear not only makes better flushes but all you have to do is pop the linear out I did get some nice big side pins but not as nice as getting 6 oz. using a linear...
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Re: Side pinning is not that bad? [Re: dodgem]
#18816468 - 09/08/13 07:39 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I like side pins and side pin on purpose. They increase overall surface area which may make for larger individual flushes but not overall yield.
Don't take the whole block out, it's not needed and easy to crack (if you want to pull the block in and out using a liner is a better idea as it gives something to hold on to). For easier side pin access hold the tub slanted and shake/jiggle the substrate to one corner, harvest pins on other side, then repeat.
The only use I've found with side pins is that it can tell you if the FAE and RH is too low on the surface (not right and you will see massive side pinning with nothing in the center). Otherwise it's just personal preference.
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I have done I side by side of liner no liner and the one with a liner got 2 oz and the one with our a liner got 1oz that was ms tho so those outcomes are not a reliable reference
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I see how bottom pins can be a problem?
Do you think that instead of placing the normal garbage bag on the bottom + 1/2 inch above the substrate on all 4 sides that I could just place some plastic trash bag on the very bottom of the tote + 1 inch up all the sides (not 1 inch above substrate level just 1 inch from the bottom of each side) to reduce chance of bottom pinning?
Edited by Cpt.Crunch (09/08/13 07:58 PM)
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Re: Side pinning is not that bad? [Re: Cpt.Crunch]
#18816535 - 09/08/13 08:01 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Just use a liner man. You won't regret it. Learn from successful cultivators. That's what I've done and I've had success. All the best cultivators on here use liners. That statement right there would be enough to convince a wise man to use a liner. Are you a wise man?
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Re: Side pinning is not that bad? [Re: Stromrider]
#18816538 - 09/08/13 08:02 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Lol, I'm not too sure, I'm always trying to figure out little ways around stuff..
I definetly try to do the least amount possible to get by.
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Re: Side pinning is not that bad? [Re: Cpt.Crunch]
#18816564 - 09/08/13 08:13 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Cpt.Crunch said: Lol, I'm not too sure, I'm always trying to figure out little ways around stuff..
I definetly try to do the least amount possible to get by.
Hey do u try driving a car using only the brakes! Do u drive a standard car and only use first gear? Lol these methods have been proven 1000x over and they work lol idk why people r trying to figure ways around things when people r trying to help you! These people have grown for a while they have done it with out a liner and realized its bad so u don't have too! U can avoid our suggestions and end up finding out the same results.... -.-
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Re: Side pinning is not that bad? [Re: Cpt.Crunch]
#18816582 - 09/08/13 08:17 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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This is what I found. Not sure where doc t's thread on it is. Not too convincing I know, thought it was better. http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/18129465#18129465
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Re: Side pinning is not that bad? [Re: smegzilla69]
#18816584 - 09/08/13 08:18 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Cpt.Crunch said: Lol, I'm not too sure, I'm always trying to figure out little ways around stuff..
I definetly try to do the least amount possible to get by.
Hey do u try driving a car with the brakes! Do u drive a standard car and only use first gear? Lol these methods have been proven 1000x over and they work lol idk why people r trying to figure ways around things when people r trying to help you! These people have grown for a while they have done it with out a liner and realized its bad so u don't have too! U can avoid our suggestions and end up finding out the same results.... -.-
It can be frustrating when people ask for advice and you give it to them and they say well I think I will still do it this way. Especially when you know from experience because you have been there and tried that. To me be willing to learn from other peoples mistakes takes wisdom and a lot of humility. You have to say you know maybe I don't know best
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Re: Side pinning is not that bad? [Re: smegzilla69]
#18816589 - 09/08/13 08:18 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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smegzilla69 said: I have done I side by side of liner no liner and the one with a liner got 2 oz and the one with our a liner got 1oz that was ms tho so those outcomes are not a reliable reference
With isolates or multispore?
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Re: Side pinning is not that bad? [Re: PussyFart]
#18816592 - 09/08/13 08:19 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Notahacker420 said:
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smegzilla69 said: I have done I side by side of liner no liner and the one with a liner got 2 oz and the one with our a liner got 1oz that was ms tho so those outcomes are not a reliable reference
With isolates or multispore?
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Re: Side pinning is not that bad? [Re: Stromrider]
#18816595 - 09/08/13 08:20 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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my bad....
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Re: Side pinning is not that bad? [Re: Stromrider]
#18816599 - 09/08/13 08:20 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Since I am doing multiple tubs once I start, I will do half with a liner, and half without, I will be sure to post my results.
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Re: Side pinning is not that bad? [Re: PussyFart]
#18816601 - 09/08/13 08:20 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Get on the ball hacker! You're slipping man
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Re: Side pinning is not that bad? [Re: Stromrider]
#18816833 - 09/08/13 09:22 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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If you do decide not to use a liner, a good way to harvest side and bottom pins easily is to get a second storage bin (exactly the same one as your monotub) and after you harvest the fruits from the top of your sub, put the empty bin inside your monotub. Flip the two bins over while they're still inside one another and put them down. At this point your monotub should be upside down on top of the other upside down bin. Remove your monotub and then your substrate will be upside down on top of the empty bin. Harvest everything and put your mono back on, flip them over and remove the empty bin.
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Re: Side pinning is not that bad? [Re: bulkgrownoob]
#18816868 - 09/08/13 09:32 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Also I'm not going to claim I know better than the people who gave you advice on here because i probably dont but you should take a look at this thread http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17838954/fpart/1/vc/1
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Re: Side pinning is not that bad? [Re: bulkgrownoob]
#18816887 - 09/08/13 09:35 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I used to agree with that post until I realized yea u might get more shrooms with out a liner
But my experience shows when u have a liner the fruits r way bigger n denser with out a liner I get a fuck load of lighter shrooms and using the liner outweighs it every time
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Re: Side pinning is not that bad? [Re: smegzilla69]
#18817023 - 09/08/13 10:13 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I've had side pins on one tub and hardly any on another, both with no liner. I've also gotten side pins when I had lines, both clear and black trash bags (although there was much fewer than w/o a liner).
My best yields have been with out a liner, and I used an isolate. Granted, I didnt do a comparison tub to see how much better it was. (I have once done a test, but it wasnt with an iso, it was about 5 or 6 transfers away from MS. The liner tub yielded 4oz and the non liner yielded just over 5oz). But I get 7-8 oz first flushes with out a liner, so I'm going to continue on the trend of no liner. It does absolutely tear up the substrate, but I dont fruit after a second flush, and the difference it would make in yield for the second flush isnt worth it for me, personally.
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Re: Side pinning is not that bad? [Re: Blake_Shroom]
#18818406 - 09/09/13 10:22 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I usually try for 5+ flushes lol that's why.
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Re: Side pinning is not that bad? [Re: smegzilla69]
#18818414 - 09/09/13 10:27 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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smegzilla69 said: I usually try for 5+ flushes lol that's why.
Yeah you use that high dollar substrate!
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smegzilla69
StrangerDanger



Registered: 09/02/12
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Re: Side pinning is not that bad? [Re: Stromrider]
#18818456 - 09/09/13 10:44 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Lol helll yea! Nothin better then yeilding 2 extra lbs from additional flushes!!
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EVERYTHING I SAY IS A LIE!!! N ALL MY PICS R STOLEN WORTH EVERY PENNY!!!!watch it pay for it self in # of high yield flushes! SO DOPE "The true sign of intelligence is not knowledge but imagination. " Albert.
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