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Re: Patriotism- What do you think? Good or Bad?
#18815545 - 09/08/13 03:00 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Is it a good thing in the right amounts? It can help give people a sense of identity i guess, and maybe help create a community of fellow patriots.
I for one am not a patriot. In my ideal world, we would live without countries to divide us. Of course that's unrealistic, by i see nationality as so irrelevant. If you wanted to get Marxist, you could even say that patriotism is fed to the masses to make them more compliant and subservient, so they don't rebel against the current form of government- after all the difference between the country and the state isn't too dissimilar in some people's minds, i think.
But more than anything, i just don't think that having pride in where you come from- at least on a national scale makes any sense. Any one disagree?
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Without patriotism we couldn't have the patriot act and that movie with Mel Gibson.
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jimiandtheshroom27 said: Is it a good thing in the right amounts? It can help give people a sense of identity i guess, and maybe help create a community of fellow patriots.
I for one am not a patriot. In my ideal world, we would live without countries to divide us. Of course that's unrealistic, by i see nationality as so irrelevant. If you wanted to get Marxist, you could even say that patriotism is fed to the masses to make them more compliant and subservient, so they don't rebel against the current form of government- after all the difference between the country and the state isn't too dissimilar in some people's minds, i think.
But more than anything, i just don't think that having pride in where you come from- at least on a national scale makes any sense. Any one disagree?
I agree and think about this kind of stuff a lot but I don't think there's much I can do about anything to change it. I think a lot of pride comes from knowing you have it better than someone else, and you can't have national pride (patriotism?) without nations.
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Re: Patriotism- What do you think? Good or Bad? [Re: AWS]
#18815594 - 09/08/13 03:19 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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AWS said: Without patriotism we couldn't have the patriot act and that movie with Mel Gibson.
hahaha
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Re: Patriotism- What do you think? Good or Bad? [Re: extreme]
#18815600 - 09/08/13 03:21 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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patriotism is racism, only with political geography as the basis instead of genetics...
i was watching a WWII doc last night, & an infantryman said something along the lines of: "we thought the germans were the most evil people in the world, but as it went on i'd look at those german soldiers & think, man, we probably have a lot in common. he might like to hunt, he might fish. in another time we might have been good friends."
someone else's patriotism caused that man to have to shoot people he might have ordinarily been friends with... i don't see much good in that... people are people, the world over... patriotism is a concept invented by the people herders, to justify whatever they feel needs justified...
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Re: Patriotism- What do you think? Good or Bad? [Re: leon trout]
#18815614 - 09/08/13 03:25 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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We have to be cautious not to confuse patriotism with nationalism though. Although arguably the former is just a lesser form of the latter.
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people are people, the world over...
I wholeheartedly agree.
What i can't help but think is that, i mean let's say patriotism unites all those who share it (of course providing it is the same country). I wish people would feel a sense of "patriotism" if you will about us all coming from the same earth.
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i feel the only way that bond would develop would be if we were to confirm people that were not from this earth... then we'd all band together in global patriotism, most likely in an effort to eradicate the other non-earthlings...
i just really don't think i've found an -ism yet that i like... except maybe hedonism... i could wrap my head around that, i think...
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Nationalism is the second worst kind of poison, religion being the worst.
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Re: Patriotism- What do you think? Good or Bad? [Re: Repertoire89]
#18817049 - 09/08/13 10:22 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Repertoire89 said: Nationalism is the second worst kind of poison, religion being the worst.
What about poison? Is that third?
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Re: Patriotism- What do you think? Good or Bad? [Re: extreme]
#18817118 - 09/08/13 10:48 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Is venom the lumped with poison or are we categorizing it as a close 4th?
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Re: Patriotism- What do you think? Good or Bad? [Re: extreme]
#18817191 - 09/08/13 11:05 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Repertoire89 said: Nationalism is the second worst kind of poison, religion being the worst.
What about poison? Is that third?
There's no poison I know of which adds up to religion or nationalism, they destroy more than your body
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Re: Patriotism- What do you think? Good or Bad? [Re: Repertoire89]
#18817706 - 09/09/13 02:50 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Repertoire89 said: Nationalism is the second worst kind of poison, religion being the worst.
Can't say I agree, people ultimately fight over habitat and territories. Religions are fanatical delusions but just the icing of the cake and should get replaced in time.
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Re: Patriotism- What do you think? Good or Bad? [Re: liquidlounge]
#18818303 - 09/09/13 09:41 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Religions are fanatical delusions
Do you think Buddhism is as well? Fanatical, that is. From what I've read Buddhist teachings aren't particularly single minded, although given lack of evidence i suppose you could call some of its ideas such as reincarnation as delusional if you really wanted to.
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Re: Patriotism- What do you think? Good or Bad? [Re: leon trout]
#18818314 - 09/09/13 09:46 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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I guess its true that our enemies unite us.
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Re: Patriotism- What do you think? Good or Bad? [Re: liquidlounge]
#18818335 - 09/09/13 09:54 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Can't say I agree, people ultimately fight over habitat and territories
What about religious wars? Or would you argue ultimately its still about territory?
I think you have to separate what drives people to war and what war actually is. War is fighting over habitat and territories, but the ideology behind war isn't a desire to fight over habitat and territories for fun. That's where religion and nationalism come in.
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Religions are fanatical delusions
Do you think Buddhism is as well? Fanatical, that is. From what I've read Buddhist teachings aren't particularly single minded, although given lack of evidence i suppose you could call some of its ideas such as reincarnation as delusional if you really wanted to.
Buddhism is as fanatical as any other religion IMO, asceticism is fanatical behavior. They're typically not as dangerous to others physically though, just a mental virus.
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Re: Patriotism- What do you think? Good or Bad? [Re: Repertoire89]
#18818664 - 09/09/13 12:01 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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mental virus.
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Re: Patriotism- What do you think? Good or Bad? [Re: Repertoire89]
#18818728 - 09/09/13 12:24 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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I think referring to Buddhism as a mental virus is a pretty unfounded allegation. Virus has extremely negative connotations. Do you have some sort of evidence that Buddhism is harmful to the psyche?
And i don't think asceticism is fanatical behaviour. Perhaps constant asceticism is, but most Buddhists do not constantly abstain from worldly pleasures.
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Re: Patriotism- What do you think? Good or Bad? [Re: ClockCode]
#18818729 - 09/09/13 12:25 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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ClockCode said: mental virus. 
Not just any virus either, a virus like that will really suck the life out of its victim.
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