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Kratom: Designer Drug or Miracle Herb
    #18808316 - 09/06/13 05:14 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Updated: Thursday, September 5 2013, 10:40 PM CDT Is it a miracle plant with all kinds of medicinal benefits?  Or is it the next legal designer drug like bath salts?  The answer depends on who you ask. "It is a great pain reducer" exclaimed licensed private investigator Neil Switkowski.  "It is dangerous" countered Austin Recovery counselor Angela Vickrey in a separate interview.  These comments are indicative of the two very different worlds when it comes to kratom. "I have actually used this to quit smoking" Switkowski continued.  Vickrey went on to explain how users she sees are "physically addicted." Kratom comes from a tree in Southeast Asia.  Its leaves are dried, and consumed in a tea, a pill, or a liquid.  It's completely legal in every state except Indiana.  It's what happens after taking it that's created such a debate. Switkowski and his wife make liquid kratom at their Pflugerville home. "This product is very good for menstrual cramps, headaches, hangovers" he explained. Angela Vickrey at Austin recovery is just as confident that it's dangerous.  She told KEYE-TV "what we're seeing are withdrawal symptoms similar to opiates or heroin." Switkowski claims kratom is not addictive and says those seeking help for kratom addiction are often taking other drugs.  We took that notion to Austin Recovery. "Usually it's part of a menu of drugs that they're taking.  It's not usually their drug of choice" Vickrey answered.  She continued saying "usually they're on meth or cocaine." In interviewing both we found the amount used could also be a reason for the difference of opinion. "It's very rare we have a client addicted to kratom but when we do see one it's someone who's a chronic user who's been using large amounts over a long period of time" Vickrey explained. That's significantly different from how Switkowski and his customers use it.  "I can drink a half a shot of this and my headache is gone in less than 10 minutes" he told us.  His wife Courtney Archbold says she uses half an ounce to deal with menstrual symptoms. Vickrey though isn't sold telling anyone thinking about using it "absolutely do not try it." The DEA says in low doses kratom produces stimulant effects similar to coffee. In high doses the agency says it has effects similar to that of opiates. It denies any medicinal benefits.

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Re: Kratom: Designer Drug or Miracle Herb [Re: p14y80y]
    #18808398 - 09/06/13 05:35 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Jeez, at least indent some of that. I hate huge blocks of text.

And this seems like old old news :shrug:


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Re: Kratom: Designer Drug or Miracle Herb [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #18808422 - 09/06/13 05:40 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

its a plant. leave it alone, people like to hype up nothing to make drama to get attention and fuckup the laws.  jeez


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Re: Kratom: Designer Drug or Miracle Herb [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #18808454 - 09/06/13 05:46 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

It's only old by the date of yesterday.

Updated: Thursday, September 5 2013, 10:40 PM CDT


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Re: Kratom: Designer Drug or Miracle Herb [Re: boneynerd]
    #18808460 - 09/06/13 05:47 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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boneynerd said:
its a plant. leave it alone, people like to hype up nothing to make drama to get attention and fuckup the laws.  jeez



Are you responding to what i said or the article?

Either way I don't find this logical.


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Re: Kratom: Designer Drug or Miracle Herb [Re: p14y80y]
    #18808464 - 09/06/13 05:48 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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p14y80y said:
It's only old by the date of yesterday.

Updated: Thursday, September 5 2013, 10:40 PM CDT



I meant that I've known about kratom for what feels like a year. And tried it a few months ago.


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Re: Kratom: Designer Drug or Miracle Herb [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #18808683 - 09/06/13 06:31 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Well I think a large amount of people have found out about it or at least know more about it since the last year to 2, but the main thing and really the most important thing is for the information, facts, and just the fact of Kratom not being compared and negativit-ly analyzed.


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Re: Kratom: Designer Drug or Miracle Herb [Re: p14y80y] * 2
    #18808716 - 09/06/13 06:40 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

How could anyone consider a plant a designer drug?

Maybe a creationist I guess.....    <<< Joke


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Re: Kratom: Designer Drug or Miracle Herb [Re: Toe_Jam]
    #18808733 - 09/06/13 06:43 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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How could anyone consider a plant a designer drug?

Maybe a creationist I guess.....    <<< Joke



Yah for real. From the title of this I thought it was gonnna be about people synthesizing the active part of kratom and then altering it or some bullshit.


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Re: Kratom: Designer Drug or Miracle Herb [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #18808839 - 09/06/13 07:01 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

No ones ever died of kratom though, someone needs to get smacked.


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Re: Kratom: Designer Drug or Miracle Herb [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #18809267 - 09/06/13 08:36 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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rbalzer said:
Quote:

Toe_Jam said:
How could anyone consider a plant a designer drug?

Maybe a creationist I guess.....    <<< Joke



Yah for real. From the title of this I thought it was gonnna be about people synthesizing the active part of kratom and then altering it or some bullshit.




that's exactly what I thought. 
if anything, the liquid form of kratom is an isolated compound...but not a designer drug:rolleyes:

5 or 6 caps of kratom could definitely be considered a pain reliever, works well...but can turn the stomach a bit like pills do.


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Re: Kratom: Designer Drug or Miracle Herb [Re: Mushie23]
    #18809360 - 09/06/13 08:56 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

yeah I'd rather have people buying kratom to help with withdrawals then stealing all my shit to score...

kratom is a plant not a DESIGNER DRUG lol fucking reporter is retarded


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Re: Kratom: Designer Drug or Miracle Herb [Re: p14y80y]
    #18811930 - 09/07/13 03:14 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)
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I've tried Kratom on several occasions and have found it to provide a mild euphoria. I have never experienced any negative side effects or withdrawal. Just like most things moderation is the key.


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Re: Kratom: Designer Drug or Miracle Herb [Re: mgoblue83]
    #18812042 - 09/07/13 03:55 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah it's a awesome plant.. saved me from a 2 year addiction to vicodin. The thing with kratom is it last a while and it's perfect for tapering just like clonazepam is good for benzo w/d. I bought a kilo of kratom and sold most then binged on it and then finally tapered when I was out and hitting the peak w/d I would only need .5g to take em away then .4-.3-.2-.1 and stopped... It needs to be researched for this purpose because the reports are nothing but positive!


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Re: Kratom: Designer Drug or Miracle Herb [Re: Gorlax]
    #18813879 - 09/08/13 02:29 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

make sure everyone posts on their dumbass website showing all + information about it please.  We gotta fight against this stupid fucking drug war already man, Im so sick of this.  If I lose this plant to some faggots saying I cant eat my harmless leaf at night to fucking sleep a painless sleep... I promise I will start a riot... even if Im by myself.

im seriously pissed about this shit guys. Ive had enough. All their stupid fucking hype garbage is enough.

It's a leaf, not a man made powder, its been used for thousands of year with noone dead..  You cant overdose and if you do, you just puke.  This fucking war has got to stop now.


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Re: Kratom: Designer Drug or Miracle Herb [Re: tripp23]
    #18815374 - 09/08/13 02:02 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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The DEA says in low doses kratom produces stimulant effects similar to coffee. In high doses the agency says it has effects similar to that of opiates. It denies any medicinal benefits.




So according to this statement, in low doses it is similar to coffee, which is legal and unregulated.  In higher doses its effects are similar to opiates, which are prescribed for all kinds of medical conditions.  But, it doesn't have any medicinal benefits.  And the DEA really is the best organization to decide so, not the FDA, AMA, etc.

Basically they are looking for another reason to lock people up and seize their assets for departmental funding.  Also, in this time of relaxing drug laws and faltering public support for the war on drugs, they need something new and scary to show everyone how important and deserving of funding they are.  I don't see kratom as causing any but the most minor problems, let alone ones that need federal legislation.  About the worst I've heard with kratom is "I felt really sick for a couple hours."


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Re: Kratom: Designer Drug or Miracle Herb [Re: dokunai]
    #18815476 - 09/08/13 02:41 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Low doses kratom affects adrenaline receptors, higher doses opiate.  I think most of these people fear plants cause they are delusional.  The leaf is harmless, I took 40 '00 gel caps of leaf and it was just a waste of leaf.  I think it's much safer than opium, and any person can get those seeds.  Kratom withdrawal is nothing at all like heroin, it's purely delusional to say that it's similiar,....what a cheese dick.


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Re: Kratom: Designer Drug or Miracle Herb [Re: Morel Guy]
    #18815500 - 09/08/13 02:50 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I want to bump this again.  I have used a variety of kratom over the years.  The tea is awful and the only thing of kratom that made me sick.  The fresh leaf taste nice, never got to an opiate dosage with those.  Dried leaf is good as well.  I think the plant should have an age limit, so we don't have to take heat for kids showing themselves on youtube doing the sick stupid stuff the idiots post.  I also think the isolates should be used only under medical supervision.  I don't believe I need the isolates for recreation, but would like them to be around when I get old and lay dying in a hostpital.  I would love to be respected enough to be able to be on what drugs I feel help the dying process.  LSD would surely get me strait to heaven, if you don't believe that I suggest a good dose with a positive set and setting.........you will see heaven or why your in hell!!!


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Re: Kratom: Designer Drug or Miracle Herb [Re: Morel Guy]
    #18815606 - 09/08/13 03:23 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

LSD is a great choice, but I think I'd wanna die on ayahuasca, ideally while breaking through on DMT.

At least a natural hallucinogen, a bunch of psilocybin or mescaline would do just fine too.


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Re: Kratom: Designer Drug or Miracle Herb [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #18818308 - 09/09/13 09:43 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

It's the yage that concerns me with the brew.  I have only taken an MAOI once aside from what I get out of tobacco and past use of cannabis smoke (yes both reportadly contain MAOI's, tobacco harmaline alkaloids and not sure about cannabis smoke.  I did not feel well with the syrian rue, may have been due to altitude and the mushrooms that went with it.  Then again my first LSD trip  at about 14 or 15 was not so good either, got much much better in my later years.


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