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Invisibleliquidlounge

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Thank you God, for creating Alzheimer's
    #18814781 - 09/08/13 11:25 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

In the following video you will hear a man talking about his mothers Alzheimer and how it has effected their family.



2:25

I cannot fathom how the son doesn't blame God for creating Alzheimer's but instead thank God for the way he believes his mother recognizes him. Seconds later he says dementia is a real cruel disease. So how does Gods metric in regards to kindness work?

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Re: Thank you God, for creating Alzheimer's [Re: liquidlounge] * 1
    #18814815 - 09/08/13 11:32 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

God has nothing to do with it imo. It's man and culture.  Nature wouldn't allow for us to grow that old and the tribal cultures knew how to let those folk die without hanging around for years and years.  Civilized culture is more often than not extremely cruel.


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and [Re: Icelander]
    #18815105 - 09/08/13 12:46 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Icelander said:
God has nothing to do with it imo. It's man and culture.  Nature wouldn't allow for us to grow that old and the tribal cultures knew how to let those folk die without hanging around for years and years.  Civilized culture is more often than not extremely cruel.




Yea.  The whole god thing is stupid in regards to terminal illness like this and how people justify it, but then again the whole god thing is pretty silly in general.  I'm still on the fence about the whole thing but I always find it silly how people will just say it's part of god's plan or whatever when really its just nature running its course.

As for Alzheimer's, my dad's parents both have it and my dad kinda tends to talk about it a lot and it's always just really sad.  I never tell him to shut up because it probably helps him to talk through it and say "you know it's funny that they hardly remember this stuff anymore" and it's probably just his way of coping, but it always just saddens me so much and I literally have nothing to respond with to him every single time because it's just a sad situation and there's really nothing constructive I can say to make it better.  It definitely has a depressing effect on our family... I really feel bad that we all have to go through this.  Also Icelander mentioned that we wouldn't live that long in tribal cultures and it's honestly a good thing.  What's the point of living as you watch your own mind slowly lose itself?  It's the damnest thing.  I really hope I never have to live through that.

My grandpa will probably be leaving soon but I think last year when I checked on them (prob the last time I'll see them) he was in a hospital bed being pumped with meds and all that shit.  He was surprisingly composed around me while I was there, but I could really tell he was suffering.  I know he just wanted to stop trying.  He'd get kind of nasty to the nurses and stuff.  But I just don't think he wants some other poor soul wiping his ass and feeding him soup.  I think he's like me, in that he doesn't want to see another person going through so much at his expense, especially when he doesn't even want it.  When you really think about it none of it makes sense.  We want to preserve life so badly that we make the last years of our life the hardest for some of us that have bodies that outlive our minds.  When my family left the nursing home/hospital I told my dad I'd likely never go back.  Not because I don't love my grandparents but because I absolutely can't stand to see them like that.  I feel embarassed for them and I'm sure they feel embarassed too.  My dad tells me that his dad never wanted to be put in a nursing home.  Yet that's where he'll die.  So much for peace at the end...

My grandma is still doing a little better PHYSICALLY.. she can still walk and do that kinda thing.  But her mind just isn't really there.  An image that's literally burned into my memory is when my family was with her, talking to her in her little room at the nursing home, she had a kind of emotional moment and I could see the pain in her face, she didn't cry but her eyes seemed moist... she said something like "if I ever get to the point where I'm on life support you can just pull the plug and let me float up into heaven."  She did a little hand gesture which was like a trembling floating upwards type gesture.  Surely she doesn't remember any of this at all.

:noyoudidawet:

God I hate seeing other people in misery  :sad:


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Re: Thank you God, for creating Alzheimer's [Re: Icelander]
    #18815149 - 09/08/13 01:00 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

God has nothing to do with it imo.

I don't think so either but merely viewed from the son's perspective.


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Re: and [Re: extreme]
    #18815319 - 09/08/13 01:47 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I always find it silly how people will just say it's part of god's plan or whatever when really its just nature running its course.

Getting cursed believing in God doesn't make much sense. That God has plans and tests is in itself silly. The actual point seems to be God's amusement in sending disobeying people to hell. :shrug:

It gets nutty when you thank God for doing this IMO.


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Re: and [Re: liquidlounge]
    #18815376 - 09/08/13 02:03 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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liquidlounge said:
I always find it silly how people will just say it's part of god's plan or whatever when really its just nature running its course.

Getting cursed believing in God doesn't make much sense. That God has plans and tests is in itself silly. The actual point seems to be God's amusement in sending disobeying people to hell. :shrug:

It gets nutty when you thank God for doing this IMO.




Of course.  That's why I don't hate God but I don't exactly believe in a specific one either.  I just kinda let it sit over there in the corner.  There's many people that believe in God and think he's somehow there to help us grow through tough times like this (I really don't mind the idea of God much because a lot of ignorant people are helped a lot emotionally by the idea of "him") but many people see this and they in turn hate God or hate the idea of him and think he's destroying humanity.  I certainly don't think what humans have done with religion is good for people but believing in something "else" (I call it the greater.. it doesn't necessarily exist though in reality but it does in my mind) usually helps people through troubled times.

Most of my last post was about Alzheimer's and its effect on my family.  Do you want to just discuss religion now?  Lol.  I think I went through similar experiences as Memories when it comes to that point when a man starts to question his faith.  When you've had the safety net of a god taking care of you your entire life and heaven when you die, when you basically just lose that through critical thinking, at first nothing gets any easier.  I still don't know if it has, though I'd rather be this way than how I was before.  If I were to strip God from anyone else in my family though..... they'd probably seem behave soooooooooooo fucked in the head.

A higher power and heaven and stuff are safety nets.  When an old relative is on their death bed, you have to cope with the fact that their lively spirit will be gone FOREVER (on this planet).  Since we never want to lose our loved ones for eternity, we hope for another eternity where we can see them again.  Wouldn't that make you more hopeful?  If there was a heaven and it assured you it would never get boring and would always be pure bliss with everyone you love, wouldn't you take it?  It just gives people hope in a time when it's particularly needed.


Why the guy is thanking God I don't know.  Faith can make people jump to a ton of strange conclusions.


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Re: Thank you God, for creating Alzheimer's [Re: liquidlounge]
    #18815543 - 09/08/13 03:00 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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liquidlounge said:
God has nothing to do with it imo.

I don't think so either but merely viewed from the son's perspective.




Next time a close family member of yours dies, and you react in an inconsistent manner, we will be (I surely shall!) here to critique it!


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Re: Thank you God, for creating Alzheimer's [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #18815645 - 09/08/13 03:35 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Do you think I will thank God for the memories or certain positive happenings in the persons life?

If you don't think so I suggest you elaborate with direct relevance to this thread about Alzheimer's, logic and God.

And don't run away now Alois.


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Re: Thank you God, for creating Alzheimer's [Re: liquidlounge]
    #18815723 - 09/08/13 03:53 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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liquidlounge said:
Do you think I will thank God for the memories or certain positive happenings in the persons life?

If you don't think so I suggest you elaborate with direct relevance to this thread about Alzheimer's, logic and God.

And don't run away now Alois.




I don't think you will be coherent when the time comes in "the certain persons life".  Logically, I believe that, based on experience, and observation.


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Re: Thank you God, for creating Alzheimer's [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #18815751 - 09/08/13 04:00 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

You're probably right.


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