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seminoob
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holes in lids covered or not
#18814564 - 09/08/13 10:15 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I have 24 jars of brf growing well. Iv read some people say to cover the holes after inoculation some people say that the verm layer is enough, I recovered my holes with scotch tape after inoculating, [didn't have any microspore tape]. my question is, like colonizing rye berry seeds will brf build up to much co2 and slow growth if the hole is covered. I use tyvek filters to do rye berries and I get excellent results everytime.
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Re: holes in lids covered or not [Re: seminoob]
#18814583 - 09/08/13 10:21 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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well here is the thing... mold microspores can become airborne... the chance microspores land into the holes are small. and even if it did happen the jar would have to be shaken for the microspores to make thier way down to the brf. i would suggest keeping it covered only because its better to be safe then sorry. i always keep my jars covered till 100% colonization. ive heard that some who do not keep it covered get premature mushys growing into the jar. adding to much fge will cause the jar to stop colonizing and to start fruiting.
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lilmikey24-7
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Re: holes in lids covered or not [Re: boommer]
#18814595 - 09/08/13 10:25 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I always tape the holes. Then when its about 75%. I usually take the tape off. always seems to work great.
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Stromrider
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Re: holes in lids covered or not [Re: lilmikey24-7]
#18814626 - 09/08/13 10:33 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Leave the holes uncovered. If you cover the holes your dry verm layer will get damp. You should be uncovering the holes as soon as you take the jars out of the pc or stock pot
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Re: holes in lids covered or not [Re: seminoob]
#18814904 - 09/08/13 11:53 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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seminoob said: I have 24 jars of brf growing well. Iv read some people say to cover the holes after inoculation some people say that the verm layer is enough, I recovered my holes with scotch tape after inoculating, [didn't have any microspore tape]. my question is, like colonizing rye berry seeds will brf build up to much co2 and slow growth if the hole is covered. I use tyvek filters to do rye berries and I get excellent results everytime.
Yes, scotch tape will suffocate your mycelium. Don't use it. It's called micropore tape, because it got small pores that "breathe". Your verm barrier is enough, the tape is for the pc/steam-run, and you can inoculate right through it. If you feel like being extra safe, you can tape up the holes again with tape that breathes.
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Re: holes in lids covered or not [Re: seminoob]
#18814934 - 09/08/13 11:59 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Take the tape off of the holes, keeping the tape on will prevent GE from happening and as far as protection goes there is a reason why you have the dry verm layer! Don't waste your micropore tape on it, shit adds up.
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Re: holes in lids covered or not [Re: lilmikey24-7]
#18815118 - 09/08/13 12:50 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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lilmikey24-7 said: I always tape the holes. Then when its about 75%. I usually take the tape off. always seems to work great.
Leave the tape off altogether and it will work even better.
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Re: holes in lids covered or not [Re: spacechildo]
#18815287 - 09/08/13 01:33 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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spacechildo said:
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seminoob said: I have 24 jars of brf growing well. Iv read some people say to cover the holes after inoculation some people say that the verm layer is enough, I recovered my holes with scotch tape after inoculating, [didn't have any microspore tape]. my question is, like colonizing rye berry seeds will brf build up to much co2 and slow growth if the hole is covered. I use tyvek filters to do rye berries and I get excellent results everytime.
Yes, scotch tape will suffocate your mycelium. Don't use it. It's called micropore tape, because it got small pores that "breathe". Your verm barrier is enough, the tape is for the pc/steam-run, and you can inoculate right through it. If you feel like being extra safe, you can tape up the holes again with tape that breathes. 
I love Bandaid's. Good ones not cheep ones. They work just as good as long as you get the waterproof kind.
Also I actually tape after the Inn, for 5 days, then I remove it. Crazy Idea but I like to let the Co2 build up a bit to get the myc started, then I remove and let go. This is probably horrible advise and needs to be thoroughly tested of course.
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Re: holes in lids covered or not [Re: Sockadin]
#18815703 - 09/08/13 03:49 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Crazy Idea but I like to let the Co2 build up a bit to get the myc started
The mycelium can't cause the CO2 to build up if it hasn't started growing yet 
It's a misconception that the CO2 helps the mycelium grow. It actually limits it's growth which is what we want - for it to simply colonize and not digest the entire substrate or start producing mushrooms. Those things aren't something you have worry about in the very early stages of growth.
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Re: holes in lids covered or not [Re: Kizzle]
#18816033 - 09/08/13 05:28 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Kizzle said:
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Crazy Idea but I like to let the Co2 build up a bit to get the myc started
The mycelium can't cause the CO2 to build up if it hasn't started growing yet 
It's a misconception that the CO2 helps the mycelium grow. It actually limits it's growth which is what we want - for it to simply colonize and not digest the entire substrate or start producing mushrooms. Those things aren't something you have worry about in the very early stages of growth.
Let me... Le me... Let me clarify.
What I mean is that once I have seen a decent amount of myc forming, I will cover up the holes for 3-5 days to allow for less FAE and moisture. I want to create a still environment. It usually always responds with really fast colonization. At about 80% I take the band aids, (hate tape) off of the holes and flip them upside down. This will allow the Myc to finish colonizing and start to get some FAE while consolidating the nutrients.
I have had success before with this method, it may not work for everyone but in 3 days I will give you a pic to show you.
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Re: holes in lids covered or not [Re: Sockadin]
#18816064 - 09/08/13 05:37 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Sockadin said: What I mean is that once I have seen a decent amount of myc forming, I will cover up the holes for 3-5 days to allow for less FAE and moisture. I want to create a still environment.
Why?
What will this do?
It is all unnecessary....there is no need to "create a still environment.", it is already still in the jar.
All that is doing is restricting GE.
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Sockadin said: At about 80% I take the band aids, (hate tape) off of the holes and flip them upside down. This will allow the Myc to finish colonizing and start to get some FAE while consolidating the nutrients.
I have had success before with this method, it may not work for everyone but in 3 days I will give you a pic to show you.
I understand you have had success with this method, but they would have finished colonizing regardless if you flipped them or not, plus doing this is not giving you FAE.
You don't even want FAE until fruiting.
If you think the C02 is going to fall out of the holes, you are wrong, it will not.
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Re: holes in lids covered or not [Re: PussyFart]
#18816108 - 09/08/13 05:48 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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You don't wanna completely cover up the holes on your lid because some gas exchange is needed during colonization of spawn. MICRO-PORE ( not microSPORE), can be applied post inoculation then dabbed with alcohol. Some say it is needed, some say it is not. I do recommend the foil you used to cover the jars during sterilization go back on the jar lids loosely after inoc, to keep dust off the lids.
If you are a filthy bachelor with three cats and a hairy room mate that never showers and keeping the jars next to your fish tank I suggest putting the spawn jars in a container of their own for colonization :p
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