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miw4life
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2 liter bottle grow
#18814322 - 09/08/13 08:44 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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okay just so you all know. I already used the search engine and got most of the information I needed. but I was wondering if I should put a few holes down right above the perlite and where the cake starts so I can have a little CO2 come out? and other suggestions?
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Re: 2 liter bottle grow [Re: miw4life]
#18814369 - 09/08/13 09:08 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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anyone? :/ are pop bottles even good for growing
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Re: 2 liter bottle grow [Re: miw4life]
#18814371 - 09/08/13 09:11 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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If you can spare 6$ on a tub and already have the perlite make a SGFC. Otherwise yea maybe you'll get some fruits.
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miw4life said: anyone? :/ are pop bottles even good for growing
This is also known as an early bump too. Just edit your original post if you want to add a question.
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Re: 2 liter bottle grow [Re: bodhisatta]
#18814374 - 09/08/13 09:12 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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You only got one cake or something?
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Re: 2 liter bottle grow [Re: miw4life]
#18814385 - 09/08/13 09:15 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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If I were you I would do what Bodhisatta said, and just buy a tub and make a SGFC. But if you decide to do the bottle method you will want plenty of holes (every two inches on all sides) because of the fact that mushrooms breath oxygen and breath out CO2 so you want plenty of FEA(Fresh Air Exchange).
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Re: 2 liter bottle grow [Re: Stromrider]
#18814386 - 09/08/13 09:16 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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well me and my friend have 30 cakes. but were going our different ways due to stuff that happened. si I thought Id just get 15 bottles or something.
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Re: 2 liter bottle grow [Re: miw4life]
#18814395 - 09/08/13 09:18 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Hell no, if you are doing 15 cakes then make a SGFC... It would be pointless to have so many bottles with one cake in each...
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Kitten on Crack said: Hell no, if you are doing 15 cakes then make a SGFC... It would be pointless to have so many bottles with one cake in each...
This.
Also be careful who knows you grow. It's not like pot where 3 plants is a slap on the wrist. Any trace of active mush is a felony and local cops like any chance to get their pats on the back.
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well were doing it at my girlfriends house and she has a roommate that stays with her, and she knows about it she just says make it not obvious. so I wana make a bunch of bottles. and fan them all. I have no problem fanning all of them 5 times a day.
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Re: 2 liter bottle grow [Re: miw4life]
#18814421 - 09/08/13 09:26 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Nothing obvious about 15 2 liter bottles with shrooms growing out of them
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Re: 2 liter bottle grow [Re: Stromrider]
#18814428 - 09/08/13 09:29 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Trust us dude just build a sgfc. You won't regret it. For that many cakes I would either get 2 66qt sterilite bins or 1 105qt sterilite bin.
You want the all clear ones with the blue latches for the lid. They work the best imo. I use the 66qt ones for my monotubs and when I did cakes I used the 105qt for a sgfc. Worked great!
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Re: 2 liter bottle grow [Re: Stromrider]
#18814430 - 09/08/13 09:29 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I mean we could put them all in differnet places where she wouldn't see them unless she was looking
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Re: 2 liter bottle grow [Re: miw4life]
#18814440 - 09/08/13 09:32 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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miw4life said: I mean we could put them all in differnet places where she wouldn't see them unless she was looking
You're pretty funny 
You are having some really wishful thinking right now! I like optimism! It is a good thing
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Re: 2 liter bottle grow [Re: Stromrider]
#18814446 - 09/08/13 09:34 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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lol well thank you. her friend said she doesn't care as long as she doesn't see them. my girlfriend was thinking about scooting her bed over like a foot and putting all the bottles down there. she has a huge bed so I doubt itd even be noticeable.
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Re: 2 liter bottle grow [Re: miw4life]
#18814461 - 09/08/13 09:37 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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You could put the bet diagonally into a corner of the room and use the triangle space behind the head board
Here is this if you need it.
http://www.mushroomvideos.com/Terrarium-Tek
I am highly recommending you do the sgfc. It will give you better results
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Re: 2 liter bottle grow [Re: Stromrider]
#18814464 - 09/08/13 09:38 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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if your using 2 liter bottles you have to understand a few things... your fruits are going to be small. fae is going to be very hard to maintain. if you poke to many holes ur humidity will be trash. if you poke too few you will have very low fae. its gonna be hard to maintain. with that said. no 2 liter bottles are not good to grow in. also there is a ton of information about them just search 2 liter bottle terrarium.
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Re: 2 liter bottle grow [Re: Stromrider]
#18814466 - 09/08/13 09:40 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I have a SGCF goin at my friends house right now. but at my girlfriends house theres just no room where it wouldn't be spotted
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Re: 2 liter bottle grow [Re: boommer]
#18814467 - 09/08/13 09:40 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I know but that's my only option right now.
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Re: 2 liter bottle grow [Re: miw4life]
#18814478 - 09/08/13 09:47 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Bummer man. I think I would rather do a few real small sgfc out of the small bins than I would a 2 liter bottle. You know the little bins that aren't much bigger than a shoe box. That would probably work better than a 2 liter but idk. I don't have experience fruiting in 2 liters or small bins
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Re: 2 liter bottle grow [Re: miw4life]
#18814480 - 09/08/13 09:48 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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The problem with 15 bottles in 15 different places is 15 different environments with air flow, specific temps ect. One large sgfc is the most efficient work wise and will also give bigger yeilds. Look up grows like large dose's I think. You could male a couple smaller ones and stack em. All I see are bottle stashed under the sink, in the cupboards, behind the couch so on and so forth. There isn't a closet or something?
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Re: 2 liter bottle grow [Re: miw4life]
#18814490 - 09/08/13 09:51 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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miw4life said: okay just so you all know. I already used the search engine and got most of the information I needed. but I was wondering if I should put a few holes down right above the perlite and where the cake starts so I can have a little CO2 come out? and other suggestions?
okay i just wanted you to understand the difficulties.
1.yes i would poke holes into it but do it with caution start out with 2 and if humidity is to high poke more or else u might end up with rotted cap.
2. i do have a few suggestions.
- make sure you have the temps right. if your putting them all over the house then you make wanna get a thermometer out.
- i would buy leds and put them inside the cap to maintain good lighting. you may want to do some research on this.
- if your heart isnt set on the bottles maybe you might like to try a grow bag? they are cheap and work well.
- once every four days i would completely remove half of the bottle so all co2 is released at once.
Goodluck.
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Re: 2 liter bottle grow [Re: Smeagol]
#18814493 - 09/08/13 09:53 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Don't forget about my idea of the bed placed diagonally in the corner of the room. It makes a nice little hole behind the head board for a sgfc or a monotub
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Re: 2 liter bottle grow [Re: Stromrider]
#18814502 - 09/08/13 09:56 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I just saw this one grow. this guy put brf cakes crushed up in the bottom of the 2 liter bottle and got a very high yield. what would I mix with the substrate when I crushed it up?
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Re: 2 liter bottle grow [Re: miw4life]
#18814508 - 09/08/13 09:58 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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psillyshroomer said: Don't forget about my idea of the bed placed diagonally in the corner of the room. It makes a nice little hole behind the head board for a sgfc or a monotub 
that's actually a really good idea.. think about it.. company doesn't go on her bed.
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miw4life said: I just saw this one grow. this guy put brf cakes crushed up in the bottom of the 2 liter bottle and got a very high yield. what would I mix with the substrate when I crushed it up?
thats a bad idea. because then you cant put perlite. and also less surface area for mushys to grow. you need perlite in a 2 liter for humidity.
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Re: 2 liter bottle grow [Re: boommer]
#18814516 - 09/08/13 10:01 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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You are talking about spawning your cakes to a bulk substrate. You would have to pasteurize coir and verm. Or you could use poo
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Re: 2 liter bottle grow [Re: Stromrider]
#18814522 - 09/08/13 10:03 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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this guy did it and it worked great. ill probly do a few of them. what us coir?
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Re: 2 liter bottle grow [Re: miw4life]
#18814535 - 09/08/13 10:05 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Coco coir. It is shredded coconut husk. It's used for terrarium bedding for reptiles. You can buy compressed bricks of it at pet stores
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Re: 2 liter bottle grow [Re: miw4life]
#18814550 - 09/08/13 10:11 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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psillyshroomer said: You are talking about spawning your cakes to a bulk substrate. You would have to pasteurize coir and verm. Or you could use poo
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miw4life said: this guy did it and it worked great. ill probly do a few of them. what us coir?
i think maybe what he was referring to was someone who just crushed a cake up put it into a two liter then cased it with verm.. coir is for bulk grows. its to stretch the cakes because no one wants to make 30 cakes just for one tub. can you post a link of the grow you mentioned. sorry gotta catch a flight il check back on this post in a few hours.
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Re: 2 liter bottle grow [Re: boommer]
#18814576 - 09/08/13 10:20 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: 2 liter bottle grow [Re: miw4life]
#18814603 - 09/08/13 10:27 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Whats your opinion of high yeild? If you are going to argue and debate everything everyone is saying then dont ask for recommendations. If you are going to do it like"that" guy then do it like that guy. Follow the link to my grow I have a link to every tek I am using. Im using a small trash can. But I also don't have 15 jars ill be using about 3.5 qts spawn amd 3.5 qts coir.
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Re: 2 liter bottle grow [Re: miw4life]
#18814611 - 09/08/13 10:29 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Edited by Stromrider (09/08/13 10:30 AM)
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Re: 2 liter bottle grow [Re: Smeagol]
#18814614 - 09/08/13 10:30 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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im not intending to go against everything so I apologize for that.
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Re: 2 liter bottle grow [Re: miw4life]
#18814617 - 09/08/13 10:31 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Just fixed the one link in the post above. My bad
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Re: 2 liter bottle grow [Re: Stromrider]
#18814644 - 09/08/13 10:40 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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the link that I posted bout that guys tek. would all I have to do is break up my brf cake and get some of that coir and mix it together then put it in the bottle?
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Re: 2 liter bottle grow [Re: miw4life]
#18814670 - 09/08/13 10:52 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yeah but you'll have to hydrate then pasteurize the coir. That is why I provided those links.
Get you a brick of eco earth coir from petco and put it and 2 qts of verm in a bucket with 5 qts of warm tap water. Let it hydrate and mix it up. (just follow the tek in the link) Using these amounts it will be properly hydrated.
Then you'll need to pasteurize. The link you provided said he used 1 qt of substrate with 2 cakes in his 2 liter. So if you want to do 2 of these you'll need to fill 2 qt jars with the coir/verm mixture and pasteurize just like it says in the second link I provided. If I were you I'd go ahead and do 5 or 6. It looks pretty cool.
You can just dump whatever amount of the coir you don't use. Use it in your garden or around outdoor plants It is cheap. I think it is about $3 a brick
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Re: 2 liter bottle grow [Re: Stromrider]
#18814683 - 09/08/13 10:56 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Oh and when you do break up your cakes and mix it up with the coir you'll have to tape the holes shut on the bottle and put the top on. You let it colonize the coir before you uncover the holes and introduce it to fruiting conditions. It will probably only take it 5 to 10 days to colonize the coir. Myc rips through it pretty damn fast
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Re: 2 liter bottle grow [Re: Stromrider]
#18814697 - 09/08/13 11:01 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I think I might just get really small totes like ones that could fit in a dresser drawer and put the cakes in that. like a mini SGCF? how would that go?
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Re: 2 liter bottle grow [Re: Stromrider]
#18814708 - 09/08/13 11:03 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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miw4life said: I think I might just get really small totes like ones that could fit in a dresser drawer and put the cakes in that. like a mini SGCF? how would that go?
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psillyshroomer said: Bummer man. I think I would rather do a few real small sgfc out of the small bins than I would a 2 liter bottle. You know the little bins that aren't much bigger than a shoe box. That would probably work better than a 2 liter but idk. I don't have experience fruiting in 2 liters or small bins
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Re: 2 liter bottle grow [Re: Stromrider]
#18815017 - 09/08/13 12:20 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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whats the smallest plastic tub I could use? like how tall and long? because Im thinking about putting it in the drawer (I can make a couple of them)
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Re: 2 liter bottle grow [Re: miw4life]
#18815328 - 09/08/13 01:50 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Ok so im reading and laughing and reading... But I gotta stop you
Why can't your girlfriend find out? Or is it her room mate that doesn't want to see them?
And 15 1 liter bottles.... Its a stretch but you could always crumble all the cakes together in one tub and then set it behind the dumpster of the apartment to fruit.
All Joking aside, Psillyshroomer has it right, 15 bottles is 15 chances for cakes covered in perlite. How many times have you knocked over a bottle of anything?
Plus I do believe that cakes fruiting together help to maintain an atmosphere that is good for cakes. Cakes fruiting alone or to far apart can tend to dry out quicker. I may be totally off on that one.
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Re: 2 liter bottle grow [Re: Sockadin]
#18815371 - 09/08/13 02:01 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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You're definitely not alone on that. I agree for sure.
Miw4 I'd say a shoe box size and no smaller. Tall shrooms will probably press against the top but that's not a big deal. Putting them in a drawer is a big deal though. They won't be able to get proper Fae
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Re: 2 liter bottle grow [Re: miw4life]
#18815489 - 09/08/13 02:46 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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miw4life said: okay just so you all know. I already used the search engine and got most of the information I needed. but I was wondering if I should put a few holes down right above the perlite and where the cake starts so I can have a little CO2 come out? and other suggestions?

Co2 does not sink, nor does it settle out of air, especially in a FC with cakes that are constantly generating heat and humidity currents.
I hate when I see this from noobs, so now I will fix it....
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Wrong. CO2 is not like water which remains separate from air and will drain out the bottom. The CO2 MIXES WITH THE AIR, thus does not 'leak out the bottom'.
Before you tell us to go to science class(I have two engineering degrees-do you?), you should go back to second grade to learn the difference between a whole and a hole. RR
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/16180683#16180683
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RogerRabbit said: Of course CO2 is heavier than air. It doesn't however fall out of the air to land on the ground. A hole in the bottom of a terrarium isn't going to drain the CO2 out and leave air in its place. RR
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/13149063#13149063
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RogerRabbit said: According to my CO2 meter, far more CO2 is expelled out the top and sides than the bottom. CO2 isn't heavy like water, so it doesn't just 'drain' out. Instead, it mixes with the air that comes in, and then flows out mostly through the sides, but also the top due to turbulence caused by the design, which takes advantage of minute pressure differences caused by temperature(evaporative cooling within the perlite).
The bottom of a shotgun terrarium is the 'intake', so if there's no holes there, you will have lower humidity and a higher CO2 level because less air is coming in to the terrarium to push the CO2 and stale air out the sides and top. RR
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Re: 2 liter bottle grow [Re: PussyFart]
#18818279 - 09/09/13 09:31 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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nicely put. I have one more question. im going to put some small FC's on the side of my girlfriends bed close to the wall. is it going to get enough FAE?
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Re: 2 liter bottle grow [Re: Stromrider]
#18818336 - 09/09/13 09:55 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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im going to put 3 skinney but tall FC on the side of my girlfriends bed close to the wall. is it going to get enough FAE there?
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Stromrider
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Registered: 06/02/13
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Re: 2 liter bottle grow [Re: miw4life]
#18818377 - 09/09/13 10:10 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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They need at least a couple feet of open space on all sides. They also need holes in the bottom and need to raise off the floor. Most people set them on 4 jars to hold them up. This allows air to flow up through the perlite
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miw4life
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Registered: 07/04/13
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Re: 2 liter bottle grow [Re: Stromrider]
#18818448 - 09/09/13 10:41 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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yeah I know that they need to be lifted up. but idk if I can give them a foot of space on the sides because we cant scoot her bed over that much..itll be too noticeable.
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miw4life
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Re: 2 liter bottle grow [Re: Stromrider]
#18818502 - 09/09/13 10:57 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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do you think that it wont work? or that they will be okay?
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