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I have a problem (neurochemical maybe)
    #18811372 - 09/07/13 12:10 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I have this inner restlessness which is kind of like the opposite of physical relaxation. Its like a severe form of ADHD. I was on amphetamines for years and amphetamines cause the polar opposite effect, they make me really relaxed, now that I've quit everything, I have the opposite of that relaxation. Its bad enough that the idea of killing myself to end the restless feeling pops into my head. I was using different drugs to remedy the symptom opiates, trazodone, benzos, whatever and one by one they stop working, and instead make the problem worse. These quick fixes are no longer a solution.

Any suggestions? Meditation seems to be helping but its really hard to meditate when the restlessness comes on strong. Exercising heavily doesn't really help. Can you all recommend things you would try if you had this problem? I'd greatly appreciate it because I've exhausted most of the potential solutions I can think of.


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Re: I have a problem (neurochemical maybe) [Re: CrimpJiggler]
    #18812030 - 09/07/13 03:49 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Kava, Valerian, and passion flower come to mind.


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Re: I have a problem (neurochemical maybe) [Re: FishOilTheKid]
    #18812777 - 09/07/13 07:48 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Proper Ayahuasca ceremony with the Santo Daime for me, that's what I actually do when I feel I start to overthink stuff way too much.

Something about those long hours of proper music with the aya, just resets the rhythm of thoughts in my head to a good healthy pace. Not too fast not too slow. Less overthinking, less worry, more calm and chill throughout the day for weeks and months after a ceremony.


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Re: I have a problem (neurochemical maybe) [Re: CrimpJiggler] * 1
    #18813303 - 09/07/13 10:37 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Maybe a good mushroom trip while meditating will put you on track.

Meditation I think can be the answer for any psychological issues, but bringing that mindfulness with you after your sitting meditation is important.

When you notice these restless thoughts, try and watch them without passing judgment.
Notice how they make you feel but don't label the feeling.
Don't act on the feeling either, simply observe and watch it pass.

In time you may realize you are not your thoughts and they have no power over you other than what you give them.

Be patient with yourself. Change is constant but often times unnoticeable.

Best of luck :heart:


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Re: I have a problem (neurochemical maybe) [Re: cez]
    #18814001 - 09/08/13 03:35 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Kava, passionflower and all that probably help short term, but make things worse long term. Passionflower and valerian, I need to take huge amounts to feel anything. Kava is too expensive.

Spacerific: Thanks. I'm going to Belgium (since I know people there) to do a ceremony with the SD church there next month. This isn't a mental restlessness though, its a physical thing. My mind is fully relaxed, but I have this horrible physical restlessness. I'm hoping the daime will show me what the root cause of it is, and possible solutions.

cez: Like I said its not about thoughts. I feel the restlessness in my stomach and chest mainly. Maybe they are manifestations of psychological problems though. When I meditate, I notice it feels like a feeling I would get when I want to cry. You know that punched in the gut feeling you get when something bad happens? I wanna see if crying will ease the restlessness but I can't cry very easily. I'm emotionally numb. I think ayahuasca can help with this. Whats strange is I can't get that punched in the gut feeling anymore because I'm too numb, maybe it has been building up in my subconscious for years, and now I'm kinda like a pressure cooker thats reached its capacity. Thats all speculation though, I don't know what the cause is.

Meditating on shrooms is a very good idea I think. Been years since I did psychedelics. I have some AMT, I'm gonna try that first.


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Re: I have a problem (neurochemical maybe) [Re: CrimpJiggler]
    #18814074 - 09/08/13 05:42 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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CrimpJiggler said:
Spacerific: Thanks. I'm going to Belgium (since I know people there) to do a ceremony with the SD church there next month. This isn't a mental restlessness though, its a physical thing. My mind is fully relaxed, but I have this horrible physical restlessness. I'm hoping the daime will show me what the root cause of it is, and possible solutions.



For me personally, the ceremony itself is the solution. It's not something you learn, understand and then have to apply later on your own through effort. The long ceremony IS the process, and it's literally "installed" in your body, during the trip. Simply being there is a place and a process of healing, in real time.

What comes after, again in my case only, is things like very nice flashbacks, pieces of music, stuff that has a certain specific rhythm to it, that's not too fast, but sustained and even, fluctuating between good healthy values. Think of being in an ocean on a sunny day, and there's large but slow waves, taking you slowly up, slowly down, then slowly up again, at a very comfortable leisurely pace you can enjoy. You take that to your every day life for a long time after the experience.

That might be a good analogy. Yes the problem is physical, your body feels jittery, and the ceremony is like sticking your body in water, to chill out and loosen up a bit, swimming with the dolphins and the fishes and the mermaids.

Oh and whatever you do in Belgium, do heed the terrible, terrible warning :lol:


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and to hear what you hear, and did not hear it.
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Re: I have a problem (neurochemical maybe) [Re: Spacerific]
    #18816682 - 09/08/13 08:39 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Op.  Look into akathisia.


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