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Re: Boiling to sterilize [Re: PussyFart]
    #18811412 - 09/07/13 12:25 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Might this be my contam source?  I usually have the water up a quarter up my jars. At least 2 inches. I was told once that this was the norm. Now I wonder.


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Re: Boiling to sterilize [Re: DeadPhan]
    #18811577 - 09/07/13 01:18 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I doubt that having the water 2" above the bottom of the jars is hurting much.

The center of the jar is still gonna heat up.... :shrug:  Maybe someone else's opinion on this would help.


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Re: Boiling to sterilize [Re: PussyFart]
    #18811655 - 09/07/13 01:43 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah, of course if you get it all to the right temperature for a long enough amount of time, that is all that matters in the end. And part of the jar is still being exposed to steam even if part of it isn't.

I'm just stating what chemistry and physics say will happen. Letting the water touch won't lower the ultimate temperature but just slow the heat transfer, so if you let it go long enough it'll still work, of course. And maybe 90 minutes is long enough.

But it's worth noting that in RogerRabbit's PF Tek video he specifies that you keep the jars "completely out of the water." And Shea25's PF Tek writeup says to fill the water "just almost to the bottom of the jars." And EvilMushroom666's PF Tek writeup says to "make sure [the jars] are not in direct contact with the water."

From what I can tell, those three are the most commonly referenced BRF jar writeups these days. You may get away with letting the water touch the jars when you steam PF jars, but it's not following any of those teks.

Interestingly, the original PF Tek does say it's okay for jars to sit in the water. Of course, it also says you only need to steam for an hour (modern teks call for 90 minutes). And says not to use the jars right away afterwards, but instead to watch them for contamination because, well, actually, an hour might not have been enough. And it says that you can wipe your needle with rubbing alcohol soaked cotton (which we now know can have living mold spores in it) instead of steam sterilizing. Sounds to me like PF's original tek played it pretty fast and loose and required you to tolerate a relatively high level of contams by today's stardards.


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Re: Boiling to sterilize [Re: toxetel]
    #18812033 - 09/07/13 03:51 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I didn't read whole thread because i'm wondering how someone with almost 15,000 post knows dick about shrooms.  Just saying bro, it aint that fucking hard.  And from what I've read your attitude is shit.


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Re: Boiling to sterilize [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #18963764 - 10/11/13 12:30 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Fractional sterilization is the best option, it also makes casings possible. You guys suck.


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Re: Boiling to sterilize [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #18963845 - 10/11/13 12:50 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Bodhi of Ankou said:
Fractional sterilization is the best option, it also makes casings possible. You guys suck.






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RogerRabbit said:
Fractional sterilization is a joke.  It fails more than it succeeds.  Use your PC.
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RogerRabbit said:
If you don't wish to sterilize by traditional proved methods, you can simply boil as in the
brf tek for 8 hours and this will sterilize grains.  Fractional sterilization is a failed tek that has been disproved for many years.
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RogerRabbit said:
Fractional sterilization fails a majority of the time. 
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Re: Boiling to sterilize [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #18963956 - 10/11/13 12:50 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

This thread has been closed.

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:nonono: Shutting it down.

OP- ask more specific questions if you want specific answers. Don't post some vague question and expect everyone to read your mind and know what you are looking for then bitch when you don't get the answers you want.


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