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krypto2000
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Re: Dying shrooms, stuck at ~80-90% - will desiccant get it to 100% dry? [Re: Insomnia411]
#18811659 - 09/07/13 01:44 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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I've noticed internal bruising on some of mine, but never any distinguishable loss of potency, no.
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Stromrider
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Re: Dying shrooms, stuck at ~80-90% - will desiccant get it to 100% dry? [Re: Insomnia411]
#18811666 - 09/07/13 01:44 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Are you sure it is blowing air. It shouldn't be hot enough to burn you unless it is not circulating air.
Does it have a filter that needs cleaned?
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Re: Dying shrooms, stuck at ~80-90% - will desiccant get it to 100% dry? [Re: krypto2000]
#18811668 - 09/07/13 01:46 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Bluing is a sign of degradation of potency but, will it be significant? Hard to say.
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Re: Dying shrooms, stuck at ~80-90% - will desiccant get it to 100% dry? [Re: invitro]
#18811673 - 09/07/13 01:48 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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psillyshroomer said: Are you sure it is blowing air. It shouldn't be hot enough to burn you unless it is not circulating air.
Mine burns me when I touch it at 165F 
It sounds like you'll need to use a desiccant if you want to get them properly dry insomnia. They will be fine to eat. I had this issue one particularly humid summer and none of my buddies had any issue with them.
They were eaten within a week or two after being bagged up with issues like you are describing.
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invitro said: Bluing is a sign of degradation of potency but, will it be significant? Hard to say.
Paul Stamets has stated that bluing is the oxidation of phenolic compounds, unrelated to the active alkaloids.
This is why blue bruising is not the only indicator required for a proper ID.
Potency can certainly be affected if they oxidize while they are not completely dry. But it is not directly related to the bruising.
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Re: Dying shrooms, stuck at ~80-90% - will desiccant get it to 100% dry? [Re: invitro]
#18811676 - 09/07/13 01:48 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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I thought we still did not know what causes the bluing. I've heard it's oxidation, but oxidation of what exactly? Afaik there is no reason to believe the bluing has anything to do with alkaloids or else all psilocybin mushrooms would bruise blue and many do not in the slightest.
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Re: Dying shrooms, stuck at ~80-90% - will desiccant get it to 100% dry? [Re: krypto2000]
#18811682 - 09/07/13 01:50 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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If it's too humid why not put them in a closed room near an a/c? A/c's dehumidify the air by design so that should help alot, and plus the cooler the ambient air the more quickly they'll dry so long as it doesn't affect the internal temperature of the dehydrator.
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Re: Dying shrooms, stuck at ~80-90% - will desiccant get it to 100% dry? [Re: krypto2000]
#18811811 - 09/07/13 02:34 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yep what Frank said, blueing seems to be an enzymatic oxidization of non-psychoactive compounds it also seems to need water to do its thing. You can see this if you take an almost dried shroom and mist it, it will become blue and then black rather fast. This is also the reason for the blue of "blue honey" which is certainly still psychoactive.
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invitro


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Re: Dying shrooms, stuck at ~80-90% - will desiccant get it to 100% dry? [Re: FrankHorrigan]
#18811852 - 09/07/13 02:45 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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I was going to double check that bluing factoid but I misplaced my book on the subject, I guess bluing is fine. Good to know.
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Re: Dying shrooms, stuck at ~80-90% - will desiccant get it to 100% dry? [Re: invitro]
#18811895 - 09/07/13 03:03 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yeah, I've been taking the ones really close to dry (like ~90%) and putting them in sealed pint jars with 5 small packets of desiccant on the bottom. I just went and bumped it up to 6 packets (they're very small) in each jar just to be safe.
EDIT: btw, does anyone else snip off the bottom of the stems with scissors after picking? I like to do this so that I'm not eating any portion with substrate still stuck to it.
Edited by Insomnia411 (09/07/13 03:25 PM)
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krypto2000
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Re: Dying shrooms, stuck at ~80-90% - will desiccant get it to 100% dry? [Re: Insomnia411]
#18811994 - 09/07/13 03:36 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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I tend to use my fingernail or a paper towel to peel the outside layer surrounding the base off rather than cut them. They look more complete to me that way .
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Stromrider
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Re: Dying shrooms, stuck at ~80-90% - will desiccant get it to 100% dry? [Re: krypto2000]
#18812009 - 09/07/13 03:41 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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krypto2000 said: I tend to use my fingernail or a paper towel to peel the outside layer surrounding the base off rather than cut them. They look more complete to me that way .
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krypto2000 said: I tend to use my fingernail or a paper towel to peel the outside layer surrounding the base off rather than cut them. They look more complete to me that way .
Lol I keep a long thumb nail just for that reason.
It's kind of a pain in the ass though
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Re: Dying shrooms, stuck at ~80-90% - will desiccant get it to 100% dry? [Re: Stromrider]
#18812013 - 09/07/13 03:43 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yeah it really is, I used to have my girlfriend help me do it (when we were dating), and it was quite a bit of work. I'd often get small mushies so it depends on the size, but for roughly a 5oz flush on a monotub it'd take the two of us upwards of an hour to clean.
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Re: Dying shrooms, stuck at ~80-90% - will desiccant get it to 100% dry? [Re: krypto2000]
#18812037 - 09/07/13 03:54 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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krypto2000 said: Yeah it really is, I used to have my girlfriend help me do it (when we were dating), and it was quite a bit of work. I'd often get small mushies so it depends on the size, but for roughly a 5oz flush on a monotub it'd take the two of us upwards of an hour to clean.
I have a couple very trustworthy friends that I make help me. It's cool because they are willing to work for shrooms
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