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Shahal Rainrix
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Feeding Shroom (Need Help w/ info)
#18811593 - 09/07/13 01:23 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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What I need to know is what shrooms feed on the most so I can make a more powerful substrate. Like if shrooms need carbs, how badly? A list of most needed to least needed would be a big help.
Also, is it possible to feed them with powered and liquid supplements? If that is possible with powers and misters? If I could add those to the substrate when mixing as well as later, topically, could I get a larger or longer lasting flush?
If people would test this for me,I'd be grateful.
NOTE: I am not looking for other peoples substrate blends. I want to make my own with the richest ingredients in order to increase the number of shrooms. This way I can research nutritional values and serving sizes to make my own blend.
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Stromrider
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Coco coir mixed with vermiculite works great and is super easy.
Poo is said to perform better but I have never used it since coir works so good for cubes and is so simple
My advice is if you want better performance think more about genetics and less about substrate blends
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Shahal Rainrix
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Re: Feeding Shroom (Need Help w/ info) [Re: Stromrider]
#18820554 - 09/09/13 08:12 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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psillyshroomer said: Coco coir mixed with vermiculite works great and is super easy.
Poo is said to perform better but I have never used it since coir works so good for cubes and is so simple
My advice is if you want better performance think more about genetics and less about substrate blends
WoW, thanks for ignoring what I said and going ahead with posting what I said I didn't want.
You answered the title of this thread but not the post. I'm not looking for performance, I'm looking for yield. There was a study on substrate in 2006 that found substrate effects yield. Performance can be change through strain selection as well as yield.
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Hammburgler
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Horse Poo and coir are 2 things a lot of people use. They are great fpr performance.
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Stromrider
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Shahal Rainrix said:
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psillyshroomer said: Coco coir mixed with vermiculite works great and is super easy.
Poo is said to perform better but I have never used it since coir works so good for cubes and is so simple
My advice is if you want better performance think more about genetics and less about substrate blends
WoW, thanks for ignoring what I said and going ahead with posting what I said I didn't want.
You answered the title of this thread but not the post. I'm not looking for performance, I'm looking for yield. There was a study on substrate in 2006 that found substrate effects yield. Performance can be change through strain selection as well as yield.
Your welcome
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Re: Feeding Shroom (Need Help w/ info) [Re: Stromrider]
#18820844 - 09/09/13 09:04 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: Feeding Shroom (Need Help w/ info) [Re: Stromrider]
#18821089 - 09/09/13 10:06 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/18135103#18135103
nutrient enriched grass seed cakes seems to be the way to go. costs a little more but you get what you pay for.
there is a lot to read, but dude is getting better results from cakes than bulk the way he's doing it.
scroll down to find the part about endospore germination + plant food.
some revolutionary shit IMO
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Dreaming Nomad
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I think what the OP wants to know is, what nutrients exactly does the fungus absorb from its substrate? What is it in straw/poo/coir/etc that sustains its life? Like how as humans, we eat food, but we extract from it fats, proteins, carbs, vitamins, etc.
He's not asking for substrate recipes that work well.
With that said; biology was never my strong suit... so I have no freaking idea.
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Shahal Rainrix
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Quote:
Dreaming Nomad said: I think what the OP wants to know is, what nutrients exactly does the fungus absorb from its substrate? What is it in straw/poo/coir/etc that sustains its life? Like how as humans, we eat food, but we extract from it fats, proteins, carbs, vitamins, etc.
He's not asking for substrate recipes that work well.
With that said; biology was never my strong suit... so I have no freaking idea.
Finally someone gets it, thank you.
I don't see why people can't read my full post. I clearly noted that I didn't want to know other peoples substrate blends. I even said I wanted to know what shrooms feed on in the first sentence
Edited by Shahal Rainrix (09/10/13 01:37 PM)
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Shahal Rainrix
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Re: Feeding Shroom (Need Help w/ info) [Re: Stromrider]
#18823518 - 09/10/13 01:43 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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psillyshroomer said:
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Shahal Rainrix said:
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psillyshroomer said: Coco coir mixed with vermiculite works great and is super easy.
Poo is said to perform better but I have never used it since coir works so good for cubes and is so simple
My advice is if you want better performance think more about genetics and less about substrate blends
WoW, thanks for ignoring what I said and going ahead with posting what I said I didn't want.
You answered the title of this thread but not the post. I'm not looking for performance, I'm looking for yield. There was a study on substrate in 2006 that found substrate effects yield. Performance can be change through strain selection as well as yield.
Your welcome 
Maybe this'll help you in the future
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Stromrider
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I wasn't trying to give you substrate blends I was just stating if you want bigger yields perhaps you should be thinking about genetics instead of nutrients. This is a forum for questions or discussion after all. I was just trying to help you out. Damn
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Shahal Rainrix
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Re: Feeding Shroom (Need Help w/ info) [Re: Stromrider]
#18823656 - 09/10/13 02:27 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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psillyshroomer said: I wasn't trying to give you substrate blends I was just stating if you want bigger yields perhaps you should be thinking about genetics instead of nutrients. This is a forum for questions or discussion after all. I was just trying to help you out. Damn
But you gave me info I said I didn't want. That is very frustrating. I can't simply change genetics, but I can simply change substrate.
The info in your first post didn't give me anything to consider or talk about because none of it is what I am looking for. So why change subject and talk about genetics when I want feed?
If I can obtain the right info then I could simply order pure nutrients without dead weight online. I want the cake to be pure powerfood for the fungus.
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StygianKnight
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Welcome to the shroomery. We are not here to be your personal research team. If you get bitchy about it, people will just put you on ignore and forget you exist.
Now to point you in the right direction, P.Cubes are dung loving decomposers. They eat what the cow doesn't. A search into the composition of cow dung may give you an idea of what they like.
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Shahal Rainrix
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Re: Feeding Shroom (Need Help w/ info) [Re: StygianKnight]
#18823777 - 09/10/13 03:02 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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I don't care about the first part. If someone doesn't want to help, then fine. I stated I didn't want substrate blends. But the whole reason I even made an account here was for fresh perspective and not info everyone can google.
It would make more sense to start look up the nutritional value for mushrooms and go by that. I did of course, but I can't help but feel I'm missing something. Your idea helps a little. I'll have to get all info on popular substrate though.
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StygianKnight
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Good luck then! I'll just point out you're going at it all wrong...
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Shahal Rainrix
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Re: Feeding Shroom (Need Help w/ info) [Re: StygianKnight]
#18823861 - 09/10/13 03:21 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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StygianKnight said:

Good luck then! I'll just point out you're going at it all wrong...
How so?
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Stromrider
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Quote:
Shahal Rainrix said:
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psillyshroomer said: I wasn't trying to give you substrate blends I was just stating if you want bigger yields perhaps you should be thinking about genetics instead of nutrients. This is a forum for questions or discussion after all. I was just trying to help you out. Damn
But you gave me info I said I didn't want. That is very frustrating. I can't simply change genetics, but I can simply change substrate.
The info in your first post didn't give me anything to consider or talk about because none of it is what I am looking for. So why change subject and talk about genetics when I want feed?
If I can obtain the right info then I could simply order pure nutrients without dead weight online. I want the cake to be pure powerfood for the fungus.
Yes you can
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Dreaming Nomad
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I don't think the nutritional content of the substrate plays a major role in determining potency and yield. Hell, we don't even use the most nutritious materials available in our bulk grows because it'd be easier for contams to take hold, I think. Straw, poo and the like are mildly nutritious compared to grains. If you're trying to maximize quality, I'd focus on genetics and environment more than anything.
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Shahal Rainrix
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Re: Feeding Shroom (Need Help w/ info) [Re: Stromrider]
#18823935 - 09/10/13 03:34 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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fine, how?
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Strain isolation on agar.....
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Edited by PussyFart (09/10/13 03:35 PM)
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