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Re: I'm tired of this bullshit travesty called ego death. [Re: Duncan Rowhl]
    #18810830 - 09/07/13 08:54 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

You're well spoken, but you think in clichés. I try to break people out of them. You speak of transmuting, and you say I did some, and then you say something else. I am already forgetting what. We were talking about hatred, but your post was off topic.  Sorry, I am falling asleep. That's what happens when I read little cliché phaseology instead of thought.


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Re: I'm tired of this bullshit travesty called ego death. [Re: eve69]
    #18810924 - 09/07/13 09:25 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I'll happily clarify if you highlight what you perceived as a contradiction.

Without that info, I can only conclude that you raised the claim to veer off having to address the post.


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Re: I'm tired of this bullshit travesty called ego death. [Re: Duncan Rowhl]
    #18810947 - 09/07/13 09:30 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I like you Eve, a few stray comments I disagree with but your posts seem well thought out.

Posting now, possibly contributing later.  Monitoring either way.

It's all semantics anyway.


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Re: I'm tired of this bullshit travesty called ego death. [Re: ClockCode]
    #18811755 - 09/07/13 02:16 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

The ego is word based.  Computer, book, wall , picture...  For a transitionary period those descriptors don't exist.  Then a sort of vision logic comes through that is communication from either outside or from a place off limits in the mind most of the time.


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Re: I'm tired of this bullshit travesty called ego death. [Re: FishOilTheKid]
    #18813966 - 09/08/13 03:14 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Ego & death, two very heavily loaded words!
Almost a cliche?


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Re: I'm tired of this bullshit travesty called ego death. [Re: FishOilTheKid]
    #18814120 - 09/08/13 06:28 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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The ego is word based.  Computer, book, wall , picture...  For a transitionary period those descriptors don't exist.  Then a sort of vision logic comes through that is communication from either outside or from a place off limits in the mind most of the time.





http://www.scribd.com/doc/38626734/Jaideva-Singh-Spanda-Karikas-the-Divine-Creative-Pulsation

Here you go.


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"THE Human, you, is a miniscule but essential part of that pattern. In it lies complete fulfillment. It will never become something it is not, but it will never need to be anything else." - Wiccan_Seeker

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Re: I'm tired of this bullshit travesty called ego death. [Re: crkhd]
    #18815180 - 09/08/13 01:07 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Lots of talk of cliches, but cliches are apt.

Meanings and morals aren't meant to be complex.

All is as clear and reflective as water.

Complicate at ones peril.


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Re: I'm tired of this bullshit travesty called ego death. [Re: Duncan Rowhl]
    #18815524 - 09/08/13 02:54 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Lots of talk of cliches, but cliches are apt.

Meanings and morals aren't meant to be complex.

All is as clear and reflective as water.

Complicate at ones peril.




Meanings and morals are neither meant to be complex nor simple. They aren't really meant to be anything.
Which makes them very much less clear than water, probably less than as reflective, too.
And no, cliches are not apt. They wouldn't be cliches if they were.
But otherwise, Regards!
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Re: I'm tired of this bullshit travesty called ego death. [Re: p-nut]
    #18817922 - 09/09/13 06:20 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Meanings and morals are neither meant to be complex nor simple. They aren't really meant to be anything.




If they are to be universally understood they most certainly are.

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Which makes them very much less clear than water, probably less than as reflective, too.




As above.  Most teachings are apparent in nature and applicable elsewhere.

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And no, cliches are not apt. They wouldn't be cliches if they were.
But otherwise, Regards!
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I'm not sure how you rendered a cliche void based upon it's stereotypical quality...


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Re: I'm tired of this bullshit travesty called ego death. [Re: Duncan Rowhl]
    #18818263 - 09/09/13 09:26 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Meanings and morals are neither meant to be complex nor simple. They aren't really meant to be anything.




If they are to be universally understood they most certainly are.

Quote:


Which makes them very much less clear than water, probably less than as reflective, too.




As above.  Most teachings are apparent in nature and applicable elsewhere.

Quote:


And no, cliches are not apt. They wouldn't be cliches if they were.
But otherwise, Regards!
-nut




I'm not sure how you rendered a cliche void based upon it's stereotypical quality...





listen to any modern president speak
then explain how clichés have content


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Re: I'm tired of this bullshit travesty called ego death. [Re: eve69]
    #18818298 - 09/09/13 09:39 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Presidents eat food.  That doesn't render food illicit.




Edited by Duncan Rowhl (09/09/13 09:51 AM)


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Re: I'm tired of this bullshit travesty called ego death. [Re: eve69]
    #18818302 - 09/09/13 09:41 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Fact is, helping oneself spiritually develop and gain more sensitivity through meditation is ipso facto a benevolent action which show compassion integrally. 





i agree with this...but i know a lot of people myself included who have had great experiences with mantras, they can indeed bring one into a space of deeper consciousness.

i can't really respond to your post...it's like on another level (of what, I'm not exactly sure). But yeah, compassion rules :thumbup:


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Re: I'm tired of this bullshit travesty called ego death. [Re: g00ru]
    #18818425 - 09/09/13 10:30 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Why is ego death such a sought after experience?
Any loss of ego i've  had has been pretty terrifying and distressing.
The ego is the source of much of life's joys whether we like it or not. Ambition, pride, control, goals, status all revolve around the ego.
They might not be very admirable qualities but they sure as shit make us happy and are a fundamental part of who we are.


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Re: I'm tired of this bullshit travesty called ego death. [Re: olson]
    #18818445 - 09/09/13 10:41 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

a wise man once told me:

it is the consciousness you love, not the self image. it is the consciousness that you really enjoy. the ego is less than dust in the wind, yet we all cling to it.

sure, ego loss can be distressing. panic attacks suck! but...i tell you what, every time i have one these days, i get more and more conscious during it, and afterwards...i feel like yet another weight has been lifted off my soul...~~~


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Re: I'm tired of this bullshit travesty called ego death. [Re: g00ru]
    #18818778 - 09/09/13 12:36 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Why is ego death such a sought after experience?




Because behaviors or circuits can be quicker than the observer and to stop the automatic processes one might seek to unravel them.  Or annihilate them.


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Re: I'm tired of this bullshit travesty called ego death. [Re: eve69]
    #19113346 - 11/10/13 05:33 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I hate [...]




Quote:

eve69 said:
The spiritual experience is based in love.




Do you see what I see.


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Re: I'm tired of this bullshit travesty called ego death. [Re: hTx]
    #19113433 - 11/10/13 06:29 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

no - i see someone who thinks those who love can't also hate - i know that those who can't feel hate also can't feel love


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Re: I'm tired of this bullshit travesty called ego death. [Re: eve69]
    #19113476 - 11/10/13 07:00 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Who is this someone you think thinks this way?
Why do you say "those who can't feel hate also can't feel love." as if you know such things
Did you feel love or hate first? Do you own your feelings, or do they own you?

What is the purpose of hate, and what is the purpose of love?

Those that hate, dont you see, are far from love...the feeling itself is so negative that you actually harm your own mentality just by hating anyone. In essense, you are hurting only yourself when you hate.

"Hatred has never stopped hatred.
Only love stops hate.
This is the eternal law."
-Dhammapada


Why so serious?! We're really lovely...underneath it all.


'Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering.'

What are you so afraid of.


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Re: I'm tired of this bullshit travesty called ego death. [Re: allseeingike]
    #19113494 - 11/10/13 07:10 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I think ego death can be experienced on high doses of lsd or mushrooms ect. Also i think high doses can very effectively mimic a dying experience. To me ego death is when YOU stop existing and become all but it can't last for ever you want survive like that




Same... NDEs and egodeath / softening is pretty normal part of the psychedelic experience

death is just loss of consciousness / merging with all

NDEs on psychedelics felt very real, not sure a real NDE would be much different

had one on both lsd and shrooms, very similar, it changes you afterwards
can sometimes take years to process..

egodeath can probably take a whole lifetime to process


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Re: I'm tired of this bullshit travesty called ego death. [Re: hTx]
    #19113636 - 11/10/13 08:07 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Who is this someone you think thinks this way?
Why do you say "those who can't feel hate also can't feel love." as if you know such things
Did you feel love or hate first? Do you own your feelings, or do they own you?

What is the purpose of hate, and what is the purpose of love?

Those that hate, dont you see, are far from love...the feeling itself is so negative that you actually harm your own mentality just by hating anyone. In essense, you are hurting only yourself when you hate.

"Hatred has never stopped hatred.
Only love stops hate.
This is the eternal law."
-Dhammapada


Why so serious?! We're really lovely...underneath it all.


'Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering.'

What are you so afraid of.





I get why  you hate me.  We are not similar thinkers in any way. You'll also find I never quote anything but I do think my own thoughts. I need no external authority for propping weak reasoning skills (yes, I can survive my own weak reasoning on my own).

I don't do that waste of time question the questioner stuff. 

And thanks for replying in one of my threads.  It's an honor to be conversed with, regardless of whether I agree or not.


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