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CrimpJiggler
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Real ego death
#18809288 - 09/06/13 08:43 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Ego is the latin word for "I am". So to transcending the ego isn't simply a matter of ceasing to see a separation between you and others, this separation must actually cease to exist. I experienced 2D ego death on salvia. Was trapped in the 2nd dimension, and the way I escaped it was by merging my consciousness with what I perceived as the external world. Then I found myself back in the 3rd dimension. So I think that for us to transcend the 3rd dimension, we need to merge our consciousness with everyone and everything. Then we find ourselves in the 4th dimension. The idea that we are God makes sense if you consider God to be the universe. The 3D universe that is. Maybe it just keeps going like that.
The problem is, the 3D world is a lot less confined than the 2D. There is a whole lot more to distract us here. These ideas like "I'm just gonna live the rest of my life, finish college, achieve my goals, whatever", they could be the things that keep us anchored to the 3D. Maybe the future is an illusion, maybe all that exists is right now, and if we don't relinquish all attachment and willingly transcend right now, we may be trapped here indefinitely. Consciousness trapped in a cube:
-------------------- …...,~__________________, ,. ….../ `—___________—-___]Give a man a gun …../_==o;;;;;;;;_______.:/he can rob a bank. …..), —.(_(__) / ….// (..)),```` …//__/Give a man a bank,he can rob the world! .//__/
Edited by CrimpJiggler (09/06/13 08:51 PM)
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I kinda feel your breeze here 
The attempt to transcend this 3rd dimension is that of the ego though, so to me it seems like a dog chasing its tail. 
On the flip side, any process must first be started by the ego so maybe you're right.
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Yeah thats what a Buddhist monk was saying to me. He meditates 10 hours a day and is at the point where he has nearly moved beyond the self, and he says the idea of wanting to be somewhere other than where you are right now, is a self concept.
I find it mighty tricky seeing where my ego ends and where I begin. In meditation, I don't know whether its me observing or its my ego etc. So you think all processes are first initiated by the ego? Strange how that works. Why is the ego thinking about killing itself when it fights so relentlessly to survive? Whats the catch?
-------------------- …...,~__________________, ,. ….../ `—___________—-___]Give a man a gun …../_==o;;;;;;;;_______.:/he can rob a bank. …..), —.(_(__) / ….// (..)),```` …//__/Give a man a bank,he can rob the world! .//__/
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My opinion is, the catch is in defining ego and self differently. You are a conciousness, imo and ime there is no single "compartment" that can describe ego while another describes "self" (which doesn't exist as anything other than yourself ime). Your ego is not some autonomous design that can act and needs to be destroyed/captured/dropped or anything, but is just referring to the conditioning you have which gives you the basic idea of yourself. It's not a negative thing and doesn't need special treatment, yet if you invest yourself too emotionally heavily in it then you can make a fool of yourself or get confused etc.
My advice is be aware when you are acting from a place of self-absorption so you don't come across as too conceited. There is a lot of blame/importance placed on the ego and almost every single poster here usually means something different from the others when they use the term ego, myself included. Buyer beware.
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The catch is ego is just a physical notion of locality and exists 'in difference.' If you wish to be without ego just lose yourself in something. You will never meditate your ego away.
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cez


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I don't know  The ego craves attention.
I find (I think) the most efficient way to try and separate from the ego is to not identify with my thoughts and just let them come and go.
I don't know if it works though..
The two posts above this one are imo
Edited by cez (09/07/13 05:09 AM)
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Re: Real ego death [Re: lolwut]
#18810611 - 09/07/13 06:13 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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lolwut said: My opinion is, the catch is in defining ego and self differently. You are a conciousness, imo and ime there is no single "compartment" that can describe ego while another describes "self" (which doesn't exist as anything other than yourself ime). Your ego is not some autonomous design that can act and needs to be destroyed/captured/dropped or anything, but is just referring to the conditioning you have which gives you the basic idea of yourself. It's not a negative thing and doesn't need special treatment, yet if you invest yourself too emotionally heavily in it then you can make a fool of yourself or get confused etc.
My advice is be aware when you are acting from a place of self-absorption so you don't come across as too conceited. There is a lot of blame/importance placed on the ego and almost every single poster here usually means something different from the others when they use the term ego, myself included. Buyer beware.
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CrimpJiggler said: Yeah thats what a Buddhist monk was saying to me. He meditates 10 hours a day and is at the point where he has nearly moved beyond the self, and he says the idea of wanting to be somewhere other than where you are right now, is a self concept.
I find it mighty tricky seeing where my ego ends and where I begin. In meditation, I don't know whether its me observing or its my ego etc. So you think all processes are first initiated by the ego? Strange how that works. Why is the ego thinking about killing itself when it fights so relentlessly to survive? Whats the catch?
Be here now, that's all we need :-)
And if we think we might get happier with more money, or moving to another place we are not here right now.
Moving beyond the self is possible without egodeath exp too
Start loving nature, then you start to notice the miracles, that which is without form
Love is beyond the self
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mio said:And if we think we might get happier with more money, or moving to another place we are not here right now.
If you ever want to fully commit to your beliefs and "put your money where your mouth is" PM me and I'll be glad to give you my Paypal information
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Re: Real ego death [Re: lolwut]
#18810718 - 09/07/13 07:52 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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If we are in pain or suffering or lack the material necessities of life moving out of where you are "right now" might be a wise choice. Going out to the woods to appreciate nature is moving somewhere to make yourself happier.
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Icelander said: If we are in pain or suffering or lack the material necessities of life moving out of where you are "right now" might be a wise choice. Going out to the woods to appreciate nature is moving somewhere to make yourself happier. 
Not to mention the 'be here now' shtick makes for a lousy sex partner. I like ones who take me places.
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Re: Real ego death [Re: eve69]
#18814028 - 09/08/13 04:02 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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With all due respect, the merge from 2D back to 3D sounds like you were coming down from the Salvia.
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Re: Real ego death [Re: p-nut]
#18814047 - 09/08/13 05:03 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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p-nut, yeah but time is completely subjective. Why was it as the exact moment that I solved the riddle that I "came down"?
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I'm not saying that there was no spiritual element, or life lesson, to be learnt, but to me it's no surprise that solving the riddle and coming down were intrinsically linked, if not the same thing.
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Re: Real ego death [Re: cez]
#18818789 - 09/09/13 12:38 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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cez said: The attempt to transcend this 3rd dimension is that of the ego though, so to me it seems like a dog chasing its tail. 

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