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nepter627
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how long does it take your TIT
#18810377 - 09/07/13 03:18 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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water to heat up to appropriate temperature?
i have a 30 gal tub in another 30 gallon tub. i also have a bubble stone. and a 25 watt water heater. i dont feel the water getting any warmer though.
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Re: how long does it take your TIT [Re: nepter627]
#18810380 - 09/07/13 03:19 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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reading the package for the water heater it says its made for a 5 gallon aquarium.. guess i have to go back to the store return this one and get a bigger one tomorrow.
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Re: how long does it take your TIT [Re: nepter627]
#18810383 - 09/07/13 03:23 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Don't use a TiT colonize on a shelf with ambient light at room temp.
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ive been told otherwise by a trusted cultivator benefits are that colonization times are alot faster. also its a neat little place to keep all your jars together.
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Re: how long does it take your TIT [Re: nepter627]
#18810411 - 09/07/13 03:40 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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RR's notes state room temp is fine and ambient light is actually benefical to mycelium growth.
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I used to use TiT when I first started but have long since ditched it, colonization times have not suffered and contam rate has actually become nonexistent
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higher temperature does not result in contamination. contamination results in contamination.
even if you have a full colonized jar sitting in room temperature it could still be contaminated even if it looks 100% healthy.
and if warmer temperatures will cause contaminants to grow more rapidly then im all for it shows me which jars i have to get rid of.
that being said. this is my first time doing grain so its all a learning experience if it turns out i dont like the TIT then ill get rid of it. but i cant give my opinion on something i have never used,
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Re: how long does it take your TIT [Re: nepter627]
#18810467 - 09/07/13 04:20 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Youll need a 50 watt heater
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thank you. honestly i read i needed a 50w before going to buy it. my dumbass just grabbed the cheapest one that has an adjustable temperature gauge.
turned out to be 25w.
ill be exchanging it for another one tomorrow well i guess you would say today
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Re: how long does it take your TIT [Re: nepter627]
#18810584 - 09/07/13 05:34 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I agree with blue. Incubators aren't worth the trouble unless you live in an igloo. You're only going to see growth speed up a small amount. I'd save my money
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Re: how long does it take your TIT [Re: Stromrider]
#18810626 - 09/07/13 06:31 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Did u incubate your cakes?
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Endless argueing on this topic. If you plan on incubating just be very cautious. Those heaters break constantly! When the thermostat breaks your jars will be at 100f before you can help it. I only incubate in the winter now. Which is necessary here bc my ambient room temp is a mere 65f. Im serioysly sick of replacing those water heaters though. It adds up.
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Re: how long does it take your TIT [Re: headofmike]
#18810668 - 09/07/13 07:13 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Do you have any idea why? I've had some running in my aquariums for a couple years.
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Re: how long does it take your TIT [Re: Pestile]
#18810677 - 09/07/13 07:24 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yeah my aquarium the heaters dont break
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Re: how long does it take your TIT [Re: headofmike]
#18810713 - 09/07/13 07:47 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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headofmike said: Endless argueing on this topic.
I think it is because most of us at times cannot comprehend how simple this process really is. If your house is maintained at 72f, the only reason to use a TiT is to increase colonization times a few days at most. I used one, and ditched it after a while. I only used a heater with no air stone, and had no issue with uniform heat in the top tub. Plastic is horrible at exchange of heat. Consistent temperature is more important than a specific temp. Most of us agree that cubes will colonize and grow from low 60F all the way up to ?????. I have colonized grain bags and jars in a consistent 62f room last winter. It took longer than expected, but did exactly what it should have.
This discussion still goes on because a majority of the time it is a personal preference. Seeing how colonized mass can generate heat, I could even think that simply storing these in a plastic tub would be more than enough to avoid drafts and maintain semi-constant temp. I haven't studied that yet.
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A lot of times noobs want to use an incubator because they hear it will decrease their colonization times and they want results asap. True a properly built incubator will increase colonization speed slightly but I think most of us don't mind waiting a couple extra days if it means we have one less thing (an incubator) to deal with.
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Re: how long does it take your TIT [Re: Stromrider]
#18810741 - 09/07/13 08:03 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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psillyshroomer said: I think most of us don't mind waiting a couple extra days if it means we have one less thing (an incubator) to deal with.
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I like the idea of Franks TIT. Don't know if I'll ever try it out myself, but none the less, I like it.
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Btw I love the fh quote in your sig whippy. Let me guess who that was directed at... Ghost?
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Re: how long does it take your TIT [Re: Stromrider]
#18810955 - 09/07/13 09:33 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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nepter627 said: higher temperature does not result in contamination. contamination results in contamination.
even if you have a full colonized jar sitting in room temperature it could still be contaminated even if it looks 100% healthy.
and if warmer temperatures will cause contaminants to grow more rapidly then im all for it shows me which jars i have to get rid of.
that being said. this is my first time doing grain so its all a learning experience if it turns out i dont like the TIT then ill get rid of it. but i cant give my opinion on something i have never used,
This.
You just won at being a shroomery member.

As far as the water temp, you will want the 50w. It should heat in 12-24 hours. I've never had a heater break or temps get too high. It works great...just make sure to pour a lot of bleach into that water. Make it smell like chlorine 
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I just noticed myself! 
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Quote:
Whippy said: This discussion still goes on because a majority of the time it is a personal preference. Seeing how colonized mass can generate heat, I could even think that simply storing these in a plastic tub would be more than enough to avoid drafts and maintain semi-constant temp. I haven't studied that yet.
As far as heat generated by the mycelium, that is a valid concern. I never incubate bags of grains. Only jars. Bags heat up quite a bit on their own.
My favorite benefit of an incubator is consistent temps especially at night. I don't ever not incubate.
And as far as high temp range, my TIT was sitting for a month at 86F and I had exactly zero issues with the 24 master jars that were in there. They have been spawned and fruited and I can safely say that 86F works, though I see no reason to recommend it over 80F.
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Has anybody tried using a drink cooler inside of a tub? It seems like it woupd maintain temps much better and you coupd put your heater on a timer.
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Re: how long does it take your TIT [Re: headofmike]
#18811128 - 09/07/13 10:40 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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headofmike said: Has anybody tried using a drink cooler inside of a tub? It seems like it woupd maintain temps much better and you coupd put your heater on a timer.
I hear this works well http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17954773#17954773
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Re: how long does it take your TIT [Re: headofmike]
#18811184 - 09/07/13 11:02 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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psillyshroomer said: Btw I love the fh quote in your sig whippy. Let me guess who that was directed at... Ghost? 
The quote was, however I feel that Frank said something that is more broad than a simple burn against a single user. His quote encompasses the majority of the "BUT RR SAID" responses. I absolutely cannot stand some of the copy-paste responses that are dropped on a thread, with no other comments. Its much like post padding.
I was a member of Aqualink.org in the late 90s. There was a user there who had 100% of his posts as quotes from other users. Never once did he say one original thing. In my years with that forum, we never did discover if he was a bot, or a real person. I think that due to the specific nature of the many thousands of his posts, that he was a real person. Aqualink was much like Shroomery in the fact that most questions have been answered, so we post more as a social activity than as an educational one.
95% of the time I think that its more important to treat others as you wish to be treated because almost all of our posts could be replaced with a quote from someone else. The other 5% of the time someone simply has an extra chromosome, is from "down en da hollar" and lacks experience. Most of the retarded shit that gets spread around is based on an individuals lack of belief and personal experience.
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headofmike said: Has anybody tried using a drink cooler inside of a tub? It seems like it woupd maintain temps much better and you coupd put your heater on a timer.
A proper made TiT should maintain temps great because of its simplicity. Heat rises from the warm water, and because the plastic is a horrible conductor of heat, it holds it in. My opinion is that the TiT is not necessary (most of the time), so complicating it further is asking for issues. Most aquarium heaters have a thermostatic control, some are automatic @ X Degrees, some have an analog dial. If you set them correct, they should shut off automatically.
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You are absolutely right skippy! Well said. There is no substitute for personal experience. I have given advice and/or made comments about stuff on here before that many people disagreed with but I had seen it with my own eyes. No amount of research can teach you what getting in there and getting your hands dirty can
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Quote:
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This.
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As far as the water temp, you will want the 50w. It should heat in 12-24 hours. I've never had a heater break or temps get too high. It works great...just make sure to pour a lot of bleach into that water. Make it smell like chlorine 
yeah im going to go exchange the water heater here in a bit, question though.
how close should the heater be to the bubble stone?
can i possible zip tie them together and set them in the middle of the tub?
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Re: how long does it take your TIT [Re: nepter627]
#18812463 - 09/07/13 06:17 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yeah I prolly had higher contam rates due to inexperience, still quite the noob at this sorry for the misinformation.
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Re: how long does it take your TIT [Re: nepter627]
#18812663 - 09/07/13 07:15 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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can i possible zip tie them together and set them in the middle of the tub?
I would advise against that. The element will heat the water to 80f (Or similar temp), but the element will get very hot in order to do this. NOTHING should ever touch the glass of a heater ever.
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so ive had the heater running since yesterday mid day
i just stuck my hand down the side of the tub and the water still feels cold.
am i doing something wrong?
or is 80 degrees suppose to feel cold?
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Re: how long does it take your TIT [Re: nepter627]
#18816561 - 09/08/13 08:12 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Your body temp is 98 so yeah it will feel cool.
Hot tub water is about 105 usually if that helps give you an indication
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Re: how long does it take your TIT [Re: nepter627]
#18816597 - 09/08/13 08:20 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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nepter627 said: higher temperature does not result in contamination. contamination results in contamination.
even if you have a full colonized jar sitting in room temperature it could still be contaminated even if it looks 100% healthy.
and if warmer temperatures will cause contaminants to grow more rapidly then im all for it shows me which jars i have to get rid of.
that being said. this is my first time doing grain so its all a learning experience if it turns out i dont like the TIT then ill get rid of it. but i cant give my opinion on something i have never used,
I prefer a Tit when using grains. Something about cakes, causes them to end up putting off/ generating enough heat. Grains seem to need the extra curve.
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Re: how long does it take your TIT [Re: Stromrider]
#18816735 - 09/08/13 08:53 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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psillyshroomer said: Your body temp is 98 so yeah it will feel cool.
Hot tub water is about 105 usually if that helps give you an indication
meh i mean its not ice cold. i guess its at 80 degrees.
if i was a fish id probably like swimming in the water minus the bleach.
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Re: how long does it take your TIT [Re: nepter627]
#18816896 - 09/08/13 09:38 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Throw a temp probe into the water
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FrankHorrigan said: Throw a temp probe into the water 
any you recommend?
i tried using a regular fever thermometer and it just said low.
i have a candy thermometer but it reads 100+ so thats not of much help either. id have to buy one somewhere.
im thinking possibly walmart or target??
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Re: how long does it take your TIT [Re: nepter627]
#18816931 - 09/08/13 09:45 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: how long does it take your TIT [Re: nepter627]
#18816942 - 09/08/13 09:48 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yep, that'll do. I just use my digital temp probes that I use to pasteurize.
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how much do those run and any recommendation?
i might as well just grab on of those since i will need it once im ready to spawn to bulk.
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