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Re: My experience of ego death and gaining a little enlightenment. Which cause much confusion. Thoughts? [Re: Almond Flour]
#18808626 - 09/06/13 06:20 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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i just find it ironic and hilarious that a thread entitled "i'm sick and tired of this bullshit travesty called ego death" is only two posts below this.
and that's a really good thread by the way. lots of good perspectives on the whole concept.
"ego death" is more coming face to face with the illusions you've created about yourself more than anything else. nothing dies, you just, for a brief moment realize that your entire conception of yourself is not as rigidly defined as you thought it was.
in other words, you are MORE THAN YOU THINK YOU ARE! small minded fool!
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Re: My experience of ego death and gaining a little enlightenment. Which cause much confusion. Thoughts? [Re: Almond Flour]
#18808629 - 09/06/13 06:21 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Question. How would you actually go forward in life accepting there's a power greater than your intellect? Maybe what i meant to say is there is nothing to believe in. Not even yourself. If you want to believe in god go for it but why not lizards? WHY Christianity? Are you sure there's 1 god? Are you sure god wrote the bible? You can listen to ancestors but why JUST Christians? There's so much from Greek literature. There's so much from Buddhist literature. There's so much on the shroomery. You aren't bound to a religion but you are bound to yourself. Basically we all inherently love so why say you're anything but yourself. Everything they preach in any religion including Christianity can be learned through life experience. Why not live your life as god intended rather than being bound to a book?
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Re: My experience of ego death and gaining a little enlightenment. Which cause much confusion. Thoughts? [Re: Mad Season]
#18808647 - 09/06/13 06:24 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Mad Season said: Question. How would you actually go forward in life accepting there's a power greater than your intellect? Maybe what i meant to say is there is nothing to believe in. Not even yourself. If you want to believe in god go for it but why not lizards? WHY Christianity? Are you sure there's 1 god? Are you sure god wrote the bible? You can listen to ancestors but why JUST Christians? There's so much from Greek literature. There's so much from Buddhist literature. There's so much on the shroomery. You aren't bound to a religion but you are bound to yourself. Basically we all inherently love so why say you're anything but yourself. Everything they preach in any religion including Christianity can be learned through life experience. Why not live your life as god intended rather than being bound to a book?
Because that BOOK rejects some of the "lets all just accept anything and everything" ideas you are preaching
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Re: My experience of ego death and gaining a little enlightenment. Which cause much confusion. Thoughts? [Re: Mad Season]
#18808662 - 09/06/13 06:26 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Mad Season said: Question. How would you actually go forward in life accepting there's a power greater than your intellect? Maybe what i meant to say is there is nothing to believe in. Not even yourself. If you want to believe in god go for it but why not lizards? WHY Christianity? Are you sure there's 1 god? Are you sure god wrote the bible? You can listen to ancestors but why JUST Christians? There's so much from Greek literature. There's so much from Buddhist literature. There's so much on the shroomery. You aren't bound to a religion but you are bound to yourself. Basically we all inherently love so why say you're anything but yourself. Everything they preach in any religion including Christianity can be learned through life experience. Why not live your life as god intended rather than being bound to a book?
GOD IS AN ALIEN DOOD. haven't you ever watched ancient aliens? THEY SEEDED US ALL!!!!!!!
i think all religious books should come with a disclaimer...something like "Warning: ideas contained within this book are not meant to be taken literally. Use the verses to inspire, use the verses to reflect...but by all means, don't kill anyone over it! Especially yourself"
that's all they had to do...put that ONE little fucking disclaimer in there and the world would be a better place lol.
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Re: My experience of ego death and gaining a little enlightenment. Which cause much confusion. Thoughts? [Re: resonant111]
#18809195 - 09/06/13 08:18 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Lol well in my experience I went forward accepting idk shit and that anything anyone says to me is all a theory. Anything I say to anyone is a theory and the only real truth is the moment. If you can't live in the moment or strive for it. There's really nothing else to live for. Also just because I'm all for anything and everything means I'm also all for freedoms.
Freedom. I don't tell you what to do and you don't tell me what to do.
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Re: My experience of ego death and gaining a little enlightenment. Which cause much confusion. Thoughts? [Re: resonant111]
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Mad Season said: Lol well in my experience I went forward accepting idk shit and that anything anyone says to me is all a theory. Anything I say to anyone is a theory and the only real truth is the moment. If you can't live in the moment or strive for it. There's really nothing else to live for. Also just because I'm all for anything and everything means I'm also all for freedoms.
Freedom. I don't tell you what to do and you don't tell me what to do.
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i think all religious books should come with a disclaimer...something like "Warning: ideas contained within this book are not meant to be taken literally. Use the verses to inspire, use the verses to reflect...but by all means, don't kill anyone over it! Especially yourself"
that's all they had to do...put that ONE little fucking disclaimer in there and the world would be a better place lol.
Wow, you guys are making some really good/inspiring posts!

I think this forum is beginning to supersede the philosophy forum in critical thinking and rational analysis at times. LMAO!
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Re: My experience of ego death and gaining a little enlightenment. Which cause much confusion. Thoughts? [Re: GoldenEye]
#18809282 - 09/06/13 08:41 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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endogenous said: Actually, my belief is that "ego" death is what the writers of the Bible were aiming at.
"Since you have been brought to true life with Christ, you must look for the things that are in heaven, where Christ is, sitting at God's right hand. Let your thoughts be on heavenly things, not on the things that are on earth, because you have died, and now the life you have is hidden with Christ in God." -- Colossians, 3, 1
But what is the ego?
St. John, 1, 9: The true Light, that enlightens every person, was coming into the world. They were in the world, -- the world that existed through Them, and the world didn't recognize Them. They came to Their own folk, and Their own folk didn't accept Them. But to those who have accepted Them, They gave the right to become the Children of God, that is to those who believe in Their Name: who owe this birth of theirs to God and not to the flesh, or the impulses of the flesh, nor of the will of humans, but to God.
To me, the ego is dead when a person accepts the Name of God. And that Name is Entheogens. Then they are "born from God".
That is what, (I believe), Entheogens are leading to.
The problem with bible quotes is that the bible can literally be quoted to support any statement.
They are already open to a huge range of interpretations when they are in their context, even more so when they are ripped out of their context.
..."They came to Their own folk, and Their own folk didn't accept Them. "
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Re: My experience of ego death and gaining a little enlightenment. Which cause much confusion. Thoughts? [Re: endogenous]
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That bring about a bitter-sweet feeling of sympathy (in the thyroid).
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Re: My experience of ego death and gaining a little enlightenment. Which cause much confusion. Thoughts? [Re: endogenous]
#18809313 - 09/06/13 08:50 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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This is is a picture of the Serpent and the Tree of Knowledge (the Amanita Muscaria Mushroom) from the wall of a 13th century french abbey.
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Re: My experience of ego death and gaining a little enlightenment. Which cause much confusion. Thoughts? [Re: endogenous]
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How do you define a tree?
Tree's and mushrooms don't have many similarities, so which one of their similarities are used to define a tree?
What makes you think it is representing any tree, let alone the tree of knowledge?
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Re: My experience of ego death and gaining a little enlightenment. Which cause much confusion. Thoughts? [Re: teknix]
#18809634 - 09/06/13 10:04 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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teknix said: That bring about a bitter-sweet feeling of sympathy (in the thyroid).
In the thyroid?
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How do you define a tree?
Tree's and mushrooms don't have many similarities, so which one of their similarities are used to define a tree?
What makes you think it is representing any tree, let alone the tree of knowledge?
Maybe the picture isn't clear enough -- it shows the Serpent coiled around the Amanita "tree" offering one of the red Mushrooms to Eve who is on one side of the Tree with Adam standing on the other side of the Tree.
I'll try uploading a better picture.
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Re: My experience of ego death and gaining a little enlightenment. Which cause much confusion. Thoughts? [Re: endogenous]
#18809654 - 09/06/13 10:09 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yeah, the first point of the (but I think it could also be considered the second) functional channel of the energy body, it's where compassion and empathy stems from.
That looks like another mushroom to me, and it doesn't at all look like an Amanita to me, I have never seen multiple amanita growing from the the same stipe like that.
Also, there are bushes identified in the bible, and bushes/shrubs are under 10 ft. where as tree's are over 10 feet. (recall the burning bush?)
That mushroom is about the same size as a person.
What gives you the idea it is referencing any tree, let alone the tree of life? Did someone tell you that and you believed them? Also where is the reference in the picture to Satan, or the forbidden fruit?
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Re: My experience of ego death and gaining a little enlightenment. Which cause much confusion. Thoughts? [Re: teknix]
#18809737 - 09/06/13 10:35 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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This is what Wasson said about it in "Soma, the Divine Mushroom of Immortality", which is where I got the picture.
"At the session of the Societe Mycologique de France held on October 6, 1910, there was presented to the attendance a photograph of a Romanesque fresco from a disaffected chapel that had belonged to the Abbaye de Plaincourault in the center of France. It was later the subject of a note published on pp.31-33, Vol. XXVII, of the Bulletin of the Societe. The fresco, crude and faded, is of the familiar temptation scene in the Garden of Eden. The gentlemen who presented the fresco to the Societe Mycologique made the sensational statement that instead of the customary Tree, the artist had given us the fly-agaric. A serpent was entwined around a gigantic fly-agaric and was engaged in a colloquy with Eve. [...] The chapel bears the date 1291 and the fresco must come down from that time or thereabouts.... The mycologists would have done well to consult art historians. Here is an extract from a letter that Erwin Panofsky wrote me in 1952: "...the plant in the fresco has nothing whatever to do with mushrooms...and the similarity with Amanita muscaria is purely fortuitous. The Plaincourault fresco is only one example--and, since the style is provincial, a particularly deceptive one--of a conventionalized tree type, prevalent in Romanesque and early Gothic art, which art historians actually refer to as a 'mushroom tree' or in German, pilzbaum. It comes about by the gradual schematization of the impressionistically rendered Italian pine tree in Roman and Early Christian painting, and there are hundreds of instances exemplifying this development--unknown of course to mycologists..." Professor Panofsky gave expression to what I have found is the unanimous view of those competent in Romanesque art. For more than half a century the mycologists have refrained from consulting the art world on a matter relating to art. Art historians of course do not read books about mushrooms. Here is a good example of the failure of communications between disciplines."
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Re: My experience of ego death and gaining a little enlightenment. Which cause much confusion. Thoughts? [Re: Almond Flour]
#18809815 - 09/06/13 11:00 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Almond Flour said: The Bible is Gods word and perfect. Your experience while interesting and valid......was just that...an experience. Why is your brother so enlightened? I knew this one girl who I swore was enlightened and had some level of holiness. Turned out she was on cymbalta and cheats on her husband. 
All these kids here say the same old song and dance. Christianity is bullshit....nothing but mental masturbation for the weak....etc. etc.
The Bible is Gods perfect law and you will learn this in this life.....or the next. Pretty easy for a bunch of sheltered scrubs to criticize the bible or cowardly mock God and his people behind a thousand dollar PC. In the safety of a first world country 
STOP right there. Hold up! You call yourself a Christian and yet you call these people names and put them down? Is that what Chris would do? No.
I am looking for their opinion on the matter, as I thought the people on this website tend to be more open minded and non judgmental than the majority of Christians. An I sincerely appreciate it, as they have helped with my struggles. So if your one of those people and reading this, THANK YOU VERY MUCH and God bless you. 
There is nothing wrong with me doing this. I also had deep discussions with other spiritual leaders, as well as Reading my Bible and experiencing the Holy Spirit while doing so.
As we are brothers and sisters in Christ, I would encourage you not to call these people scrubs and put them down, but rather lovingly tell them why you believe what you believe in a loving way.
NOT ONLY are giving me as a Christian a bad reputation, but your giving Christ one too. So please, try a different approach.
Thanks, and much love. - Hannah. <3
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Re: My experience of ego death and gaining a little enlightenment. Which cause much confusion. Thoughts? [Re: Almond Flour]
#18809936 - 09/06/13 11:14 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Almond Flour said: The Bible is Gods word and perfect. Your experience while interesting and valid......was just that...an experience. Why is your brother so enlightened? I knew this one girl who I swore was enlightened and had some level of holiness. Turned out she was on cymbalta and cheats on her husband. 
All these kids here say the same old song and dance. Christianity is bullshit....nothing but mental masturbation for the weak....etc. etc.
The Bible is Gods perfect law and you will learn this in this life.....or the next. Pretty easy for a bunch of sheltered scrubs to criticize the bible or cowardly mock God and his people behind a thousand dollar PC. In the safety of a first world country 
Its not a matter of either your experience is right or if God is right. Actually READ the bible instead of asking a bunch of spoiled sheltered drug addict in a drug forum (most of whom rebel against God and his law)
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STOP right there. Hold up! If you call yourself a Christian, and i was under the impression you do, and yet you call these people names and put them down? Is that what Chris would do? No.
I am looking for their opinion on the matter, as I thought the people on this website tend to be more open minded and non judgmental than the majority of Christians (you are proving this theory to be correct). And I sincerely appreciate them, as they have helped with my struggles. So if your one of those people who commented and reading this, THANK YOU VERY MUCH and God bless you. (:
There is nothing wrong with me asking them? I also had deep discussions with other spiritual leaders, as well as Reading my Bible and actually experiencing the Holy Spirit while doing so.
As we are brothers and sisters in Christ, I would encourage you not to call these people scrubs or drug addicts and put them down, but rather lovingly tell them why you believe what you believe in a loving way. As thats really all you can do.
NOT ONLY are giving me as a Christian a bad reputation, but your giving Christ one too. So please, try a different approach.
Thanks, and much love. - Hannah. <3
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Re: My experience of ego death and gaining a little enlightenment. Which cause much confusion. Thoughts? [Re: HannahMichelle]
#18809958 - 09/06/13 11:21 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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To everyone who questions the validity of the Bible, I'd just like to share another experience of mine. Now I've been searching for answers as you know, and I've been reading many things including the Bible. As I was reading the book of Hebrew, I know (100%) that i experienced the holy spirit. It was nothing i ever felt. Hard to describe. It was just a random great reassurance of what I was reading was real and true. As I was reading I had a deep understanding and a longing to read more. This sensation in my body. Comfort. Joy. Clarity.
Still can't wait to read more!
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Re: My experience of ego death and gaining a little enlightenment. Which cause much confusion. Thoughts? [Re: HannahMichelle]
#18809990 - 09/06/13 11:37 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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What if you believe it is the holy spirit only because you read it before and was led to believe that?
Like when people teach about something, then that something happens, you might be inclined to believe that the something is what they said, even if it is something completely different.
You were conditioned to believe that the bliss was from the holy spirit, rather than it necessarily being the holy spirit.
A buddhist for example might think it was a taste of enlightenment, or a Hindu might think it is ananda.
So who would be right?
Does it provide actual evidence, or were you conditioned previously to believe it?
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Re: My experience of ego death and gaining a little enlightenment. Which cause much confusion. Thoughts? [Re: endogenous]
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"At the session of the Societe Mycologique de France held on October 6, 1910, there was presented to the attendance a photograph of a Romanesque fresco from a disaffected chapel that had belonged to the Abbaye de Plaincourault in the center of France. It was later the subject of a note published on pp.31-33, Vol. XXVII, of the Bulletin of the Societe. The fresco, crude and faded, is of the familiar temptation scene in the Garden of Eden. The gentlemen who presented the fresco to the Societe Mycologique made the sensational statement that instead of the customary Tree, the artist had given us the fly-agaric. A serpent was entwined around a gigantic fly-agaric and was engaged in a colloquy with Eve. [...] The chapel bears the date 1291 and the fresco must come down from that time or thereabouts.... The mycologists would have done well to consult art historians. Here is an extract from a letter that Erwin Panofsky wrote me in 1952: "...the plant in the fresco has nothing whatever to do with mushrooms...and the similarity with Amanita muscaria is purely fortuitous. The Plaincourault fresco is only one example--and, since the style is provincial, a particularly deceptive one--of a conventionalized tree type, prevalent in Romanesque and early Gothic art, which art historians actually refer to as a 'mushroom tree' or in German, pilzbaum. It comes about by the gradual schematization of the impressionistically rendered Italian pine tree in Roman and Early Christian painting, and there are hundreds of instances exemplifying this development--unknown of course to mycologists..." Professor Panofsky gave expression to what I have found is the unanimous view of those competent in Romanesque art. For more than half a century the mycologists have refrained from consulting the art world on a matter relating to art. Art historians of course do not read books about mushrooms. Here is a good example of the failure of communications between disciplines."
So are you personally choosing to believe it?
(I'm not tbh, seems like some B.S. to get attention.)
What do you (personally without the ad-lib of others belief) see in the picture?
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Re: My experience of ego death and gaining a little enlightenment. Which cause much confusion. Thoughts? [Re: HannahMichelle]
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Almond Flour said: The Bible is Gods word and perfect. Your experience while interesting and valid......was just that...an experience. Why is your brother so enlightened? I knew this one girl who I swore was enlightened and had some level of holiness. Turned out she was on cymbalta and cheats on her husband. 
All these kids here say the same old song and dance. Christianity is bullshit....nothing but mental masturbation for the weak....etc. etc.
The Bible is Gods perfect law and you will learn this in this life.....or the next. Pretty easy for a bunch of sheltered scrubs to criticize the bible or cowardly mock God and his people behind a thousand dollar PC. In the safety of a first world country 
Its not a matter of either your experience is right or if God is right. Actually READ the bible instead of asking a bunch of spoiled sheltered drug addict in a drug forum (most of whom rebel against God and his law)
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STOP right there. Hold up! If you call yourself a Christian, and i was under the impression you do, and yet you call these people names and put them down? Is that what Chris would do? No.
I am looking for their opinion on the matter, as I thought the people on this website tend to be more open minded and non judgmental than the majority of Christians (you are proving this theory to be correct). And I sincerely appreciate them, as they have helped with my struggles. So if your one of those people who commented and reading this, THANK YOU VERY MUCH and God bless you. (:
There is nothing wrong with me asking them? I also had deep discussions with other spiritual leaders, as well as Reading my Bible and actually experiencing the Holy Spirit while doing so.
As we are brothers and sisters in Christ, I would encourage you not to call these people scrubs or drug addicts and put them down, but rather lovingly tell them why you believe what you believe in a loving way. As thats really all you can do.
NOT ONLY are giving me as a Christian a bad reputation, but your giving Christ one too. So please, try a different approach.
Thanks, and much love. - Hannah. <3 
Stick around, you have no idea what you are talking about. I will indeed put some of these people and their ideologies down because I promise you, many are the first to cast a spear out my faith and Christians in general. Look at the posts from the first page for Christs sake. Im all for love and what not, but dont think that you or me are above stating our opinions in a sea full of kidiots who have nothing better to do than read New age crap from the bookstore, and put down Christianity because they have issues with their parents.
welcome to the forum
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Re: My experience of ego death and gaining a little enlightenment. Which cause much confusion. Thoughts? [Re: Almond Flour]
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What a dick. I think you shoild stop forcing beliefs and putting people down for living by logic. The only logical statement is to believe that we have lack of evidence to believe in anything
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