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Re: Is severe psychosis like ego death? [Re: Gorlax]
    #18808962 - 09/06/13 07:30 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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How can you say you improved after ego death if you never had a test prior then after. I have had ego death once or twice and it fucking BLEW! the only thing that made it anyway beneficial is because I thought I was fucking dead and I was alive...just like when someone almost dies and they survive, they vow to live a better life after!




You have to learn to let go. Seriously. If you do it's absolutely blissful. I've had a shitty ego death on ayahuasca before and I know how much that sucks. Where literally the only thing you gain is a sense of relief to have your body and sanity back. But when it's good it's GODLY. And generally comes full of positive messages.


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Re: Is severe psychosis like ego death? [Re: JacksonMetaller]
    #18808992 - 09/06/13 07:34 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

^ I can have those experiences without ego death! Mescaline has never given me ego death! that is why I prefer it over anything. Every experience has been fucking amazing and life changing..straight  :nyan:


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Re: Is severe psychosis like ego death? [Re: Gorlax]
    #18809005 - 09/06/13 07:37 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

the simple and correct answer is NO because ego death implies your TRUE self shining through, not the complete destruction of everything you are

ego death is about destryoing the mask not the person


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Re: Is severe psychosis like ego death? [Re: Gorlax]
    #18809030 - 09/06/13 07:43 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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^ I can have those experiences without ego death! Mescaline has never given me ego death! that is why I prefer it over anything. Every experience has been fucking amazing and life changing..straight  :nyan:




You can't have ego death experiences without ego death :wink: Trust me. If you can let go it's something to be sought after. I have had some of the most ridiculous bonding experiences with ego death. On my first date with my current gf we took 5 hits of decent L each and spent half the night melded into a single consciousness along with the rest of the universe. Realizing that each of us was just another mode of "god" witnessing itself through its evolutionary branches.

It was a little weird because I barely knew the girl :lol: But those kinds of things have stuck pretty damn deep. Beyond the most beautiful and cosmic experiences I've had.

I find the best way to make sure it's enjoyable is stack some nitrous crackers back to back while you're tripping on LSD. By the third time or so you're stuck in a loop that draws you closer to the "truth" until you finally realize it melt away. But it keeps it fun and euphoric.


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Re: Is severe psychosis like ego death? [Re: JacksonMetaller]
    #18809394 - 09/06/13 09:04 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

^ I still don't understand. I have experienced ego death and it was not fun or life changing, it flat out sucked. Even if I tried I could not snap out of it. If you are able to control yourself or whatever in ego death then it isn't ego death....

I had delusional thoughts, saw shit that wasn't there, and thought I was dead.. I had no fucking ego whatsoever because I thought I was dead.

but tis his own if you like ego death so be it.


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Re: Is severe psychosis like ego death? [Re: Gorlax]
    #18809427 - 09/06/13 09:14 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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^ I still don't understand. I have experienced ego death and it was not fun or life changing, it flat out sucked. Even if I tried I could not snap out of it. If you are able to control yourself or whatever in ego death then it isn't ego death....

I had delusional thoughts, saw shit that wasn't there, and thought I was dead.. I had no fucking ego whatsoever because I thought I was dead.

but tis his own if you like ego death so be it.




not "controlling yourself, letting go. letting go of your attempt to control yourself. letting go of the fear. letting it take you and just participating as an observer. believe me, it's like being on two different drugs. one is confusing, feels like your brain is warped in pretzels, you're permafucked and/or dying. the other is like you arrive to a moment of complete clarity, unified with all beings and have understood the true nature of your existence. letting go is something you normally have to do going in to the experience. once your on the wrong path it's pretty hard to snap out of. I had this experience during an ayahuasca ceremony and was actually begging the shaman to kill me and bawling my eyes out because I was so convinced that it was over for me (well, when i was starting to come down that is. during the peak i had no connection to the real world). The good ones are nothing but euphoric and are more coherent than real life itself.

i'm curious though, what did you take and how much?


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Re: Is severe psychosis like ego death? [Re: JacksonMetaller]
    #18809450 - 09/06/13 09:19 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I took an eighth of insane shrooms and smoked salvia lol... it was the worst thing ever and even after the savlia went away I was rocketed into out ego death space!

I understand how you say you have had moments of confusion then clarity, that is just a common thing with most hallucinogens isn't it :shrug:. every time I do shrooms I get that going on..


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Re: Is severe psychosis like ego death? [Re: Gorlax]
    #18809462 - 09/06/13 09:22 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

mushrooms + salvia is the best way to do salvia.

salvia is so incredibly complex, much more-so than any other psychedelic and the mushrooms really let you see whats its doing.


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Re: Is severe psychosis like ego death? [Re: teamkiller]
    #18809468 - 09/06/13 09:24 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

^ dude how lol that shit was fucking crazy.. I saw shapes walking and my head spun off into space all out of body as fuck and then when it wore off I was knee deep in a bad shroom trip!


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Re: Is severe psychosis like ego death? [Re: teamkiller]
    #18809481 - 09/06/13 09:26 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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mushrooms + salvia is the best way to do salvia.

salvia is so incredibly complex, much more-so than any other psychedelic and the mushrooms really let you see whats its doing.




I need to try the psychedelic+salvia combo. I was also thinking of the dissociative+salvia combo, have you tried that?


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Re: Is severe psychosis like ego death? [Re: Dawks]
    #18809639 - 09/06/13 10:06 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

i personally don't like dissociatives and salvia, but some people do.


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Re: Is severe psychosis like ego death? [Re: teamkiller]
    #18809709 - 09/06/13 10:28 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah I thought it might be cool because salvia makes me feel uncomfortable whereas dissociatives make me feel comfortable so I figured it may make the salvia experience more tolerable :shrug:


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Re: Is severe psychosis like ego death? [Re: Dawks]
    #18810343 - 09/07/13 02:55 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Ketamine and DMT was how I experienced ego death.

I was speechless for 18 hours afterwards.


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Re: Is severe psychosis like ego death? [Re: teamkiller]
    #18810372 - 09/07/13 03:13 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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i personally don't like dissociatives and salvia, but some people do.



Salvia is a dissociative


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Re: Is severe psychosis like ego death? [Re: xbloodwhipx]
    #18810451 - 09/07/13 04:08 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I kinda wish the idea of "ego death" as the cornerstone of the psychedelic experience would just go away. I subscribed to it for a long time but it is in fact an absurdly useless concept. Many experiences that entail "ego death" to the same extent as psychedelics do not involve being transported to alternate dimensions or witnessing the creation of new ones. I do not think that "loss of the ego" is any more crucial to the psychedelic experience than it is to getting knocked over the head and passing out. Or to blacking out from alcohol, or any of the myriad other ways that exist to temporarily forget who you are.


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Re: Is severe psychosis like ego death? [Re: danlennon3]
    #18810470 - 09/07/13 04:24 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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ego death and psychosis are worlds apart. I have experienced my fair share of both and they have very little in common.




The sense of timelessness felt in the beginning stages of ego loss is also sometimes a symptom of schizophrenia.  Not sure how far it goes though.


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Re: Is severe psychosis like ego death? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #18810593 - 09/07/13 05:50 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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I kinda wish the idea of "ego death" as the cornerstone of the psychedelic experience would just go away. I subscribed to it for a long time but it is in fact an absurdly useless concept. Many experiences that entail "ego death" to the same extent as psychedelics do not involve being transported to alternate dimensions or witnessing the creation of new ones. I do not think that "loss of the ego" is any more crucial to the psychedelic experience than it is to getting knocked over the head and passing out. Or to blacking out from alcohol, or any of the myriad other ways that exist to temporarily forget who you are.




The realizations happens IRL after the experiences

egodeath is just a good way of mindfuck like no other mindfuck ;-P

once you start to see the soul is the same in all living, those realizations come slowly else too  (without egodeath), even without drugs, in everyday life from nature i.e.

it is intense mindfuck, not sure I would have done it if I could chose so... it  always comes by surprise
I think the experiences could have lead to it as well in the end... so there would be no need for egodeath

you learn to love yourself and the earth/nature/others

and from that the realization that most of humanities suffering is from lack of love/being controlled by thoughts
and most likely the reasons for own suffering too :-)


but I think all of that happens gradually during any other psychedelic experience, not unique to egodeath
egodeath is just a quick hardreset... not that pleasant, and hard to put together again...
could I chose I would have chosen the experiences without the egodeath, it still confuses me a long time after

as in, life would have been a little easier sometimes without the death, so don't do it too often :wink:
best suited for when you got a stable life situation etc.  - but then there should be no problem with repeated deaths then in theory I think (I've experienced maybe 4 on lsd/shrooms, unconscious/wake up next day - new person) - it often makes living  easier  (once you've had one egodeath getting more gets easier... you can get there from just smoking weed, without drugs i.e. from seeing you're the same as everyone else i.e.)

it's not for the faint of heart.... it's very hard to sort out

but I believe the spiritual experiences are real, love is real :-)
love the planet

also you learn acceptance from it... and appreciation of what you have

after egodeath I'm high 24/7 on nature,best drug there is (houseplants,pets,walk in nature,sit in nature,meditate in nature, gardening etc) , it brings peace, all of them
and trying to help others brings peace too


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Re: Is severe psychosis like ego death? [Re: Gorlax]
    #18810738 - 09/07/13 08:01 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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I took an eighth of insane shrooms and smoked salvia lol... it was the worst thing ever and even after the savlia went away I was rocketed into out ego death space!

I understand how you say you have had moments of confusion then clarity, that is just a common thing with most hallucinogens isn't it :shrug:. every time I do shrooms I get that going on..




Well there you go. Salvia is atypical and not pleasant to most. Stick to the happy hippy drugs and you'll have a better chance of enjoying it :wink: ie, acid, weed, whippets. Things CAN go wrong but are generally more pleasant


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Re: Is severe psychosis like ego death? [Re: volcomstoner]
    #18811600 - 09/07/13 01:25 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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i personally don't like dissociatives and salvia, but some people do.



Salvia is a dissociative



i still don't like mixing salvia and dissociatives.

even if you want to call salvia a dissociative its action is clearly way different than everything else that gets called a dissociative on here, so i have no clue why you would bother to tell me that.
I didn't think NMDA was the primary target.


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Re: Is severe psychosis like ego death? [Re: xbloodwhipx]
    #19351346 - 12/31/13 02:26 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I have never used any hallucinogenic or dissociative drugs, yet I have experienced severe psychosis induced by the MAOI phenelzine. I ended up hospitalized for 3 months but for now I will just talk about my experience before I was forcibly incapacitated, medicated and imprisoned.

During the prodromal stage I became extremely egotistical to the point where I had decided to use my intellect against humanity and to manipulate it to my will, which was a complete change from my usual empathetic self. This ego inflation continued until I was absolutely certain within my own mind that I was a god, and not just a god but the God of gods, and that I had created the Universe as a joke upon the other gods but was overpowered and imprisoned within it as retribution.

Something changed, however. I cannot recall the mental steps I took for the revelation to come about, but I found myself staring into my bathroom mirror crying to myself at the sudden realization that I was not an all powerful God or Self but I was instead One and everything was me and I was everything etc. etc. the usual spiritual revelation that people describe, yet it was such a change from my earlier ego-maniacalism that it certainly felt like an ego-death to me.

During my hospitalization I switched between having an insanely huge ego and having none at all a few times again, however, and eventually came back to "baseline", though I certainly have a different outlook on reality and the human psyche since.

edit: Also, I now know and accept that there is a shadow inside me as evil as I am righteous, which is certainly a sobering revelation.

edit2: a lot of psych people say that psychosis itself is a form of ego-death


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