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John McCain: ‘Maybe we should legalize’ pot * 2
    #18809061 - 09/06/13 07:48 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

http://news.yahoo.com/john-mccain--%E2%80%98maybe-we-should-legalize%E2%80%99-pot--192226634.html



Drug war hawk John McCain is turning pot dove.

McCain appears open to making a dramatic shift on marijuana policy, saying during a town-hall meeting in Arizona that he's open to potentially legalizing weed.

“Maybe we should legalize. We're certainly moving that way as far as marijuana is concerned,” McCain said in comments first reported by Arizona Daily Star columnist Tim Steller. “I respect the will of the people."

In the past, McCain has been a hard-liner on federal drug policy. During his 2000 presidential primary campaign, the Arizona Republican suggested increasing penalties and sentence guidelines for those convicted of drug crimes.

During a 1999 Republican presidential debate at Dartmouth College, McCain said, “I can’t support the legalization of marijuana. Scientific evidence indicates that the moment that it enters your body, one, it does damage, and second, it can become addictive. It is a gateway drug.”

However, national attitudes on pot have changed dramatically in recent years. Arizona is one of 20 states that allow patients with a medical prescription to use marijuana.

A recent poll of Arizona voters showed 56 percent of respondents saying they favored legalizing small amounts of marijuana. Advocates of legalization are working to get a ballot measure before Arizona voters in 2014.

In 2012, McCain’s daughter Meghan told NBC’s “Tonight Show” host Jay Leno that she favors legalizing marijuana and admitted to having smoked a joint.

“Yes, I come out for legalizing marijuana in this book,” McCain told Leno. “I was living in Los Angeles very briefly last year, and I was shocked at how people here smoke weed the way people in New York pour wine.”


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Re: John McCain: ‘Maybe we should legalize’ pot [Re: Panick] * 4
    #18809117 - 09/06/13 08:01 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

McCain 2016. Will be just like Obama and DEA raids.


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Re: John McCain: ‘Maybe we should legalize’ pot [Re: Adden] * 4
    #18809227 - 09/06/13 08:25 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

politicians are fucking robots.  He's gonna say whatever he thinks will make him seem cool. 

did you know he has an otic implant that cost more than a college education??  paid for by your truely

fuck congress

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Re: John McCain: ‘Maybe we should legalize’ pot [Re: Panick]
    #18809297 - 09/06/13 08:45 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Another politician supports legalization, that's a step in the right direction whatever his motivation. Its good news to me, our news section seems to have been focused on negativity recently


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Re: John McCain: ‘Maybe we should legalize’ pot [Re: Repertoire89] * 4
    #18809368 - 09/06/13 08:59 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Watch what they do, not what they say, talk is cheap.


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Re: John McCain: ‘Maybe we should legalize’ pot [Re: qman] * 1
    #18809385 - 09/06/13 09:02 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Just because you say yay to pot doesn't mean we will go to war with Syria with you.


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Re: John McCain: ‘Maybe we should legalize’ pot [Re: qman] * 1
    #18809388 - 09/06/13 09:03 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I think you're overlooking how this affects public opinion, they know the drug war has failed but they can't back out overnight. What we've seen the past few years is the beginning of the end


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Re: John McCain: ‘Maybe we should legalize’ pot [Re: Repertoire89]
    #18809600 - 09/06/13 09:53 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

What we've seen in the past few decades is the beginning of the end.


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Re: John McCain: ‘Maybe we should legalize’ pot [Re: Camwritesgonzo] * 2
    #18809671 - 09/06/13 10:15 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

It's really picking up. I never understood why a republican would want to suppress a states rights....I thought they were pro states rights....I don't see how they can be for big government telling states what to do. Interesting.


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Re: John McCain: ‘Maybe we should legalize’ pot [Re: joshisstoned]
    #18809743 - 09/06/13 10:38 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

people are delusional about pot becoming legal. everyone seems to think were taking steps in the direction of making it like cig's but for 21+ and a limit on how much you can posses at any one time :shrug:

Honestly they like all the money and assets they get to seize from people with small bags of pot. And all the money the gov gets from alcohol and big tobacco, pot doesn't stand a chance

There's no way to really quantify how intoxicated you are while driving on pot either, unlike alcohol. I smoke 10+ times a day so my blood would be saturated even after a day or two of not smoking. Cant have something be legal and yet if you've smoked within the past 2 or 3 weeks any cop can get a warrant for your blood and slap you with an ouid :courtjudge:


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Re: John McCain: ‘Maybe we should legalize’ pot [Re: Chuckfinely]
    #18809834 - 09/06/13 11:02 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Idk man. We seem to be breaking new ground.


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Re: John McCain: ‘Maybe we should legalize’ pot [Re: Chuckfinely] * 1
    #18809844 - 09/06/13 11:04 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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people are delusional about pot becoming legal. everyone seems to think were taking steps in the direction of making it like cig's but for 21+ and a limit on how much you can posses at any one time :shrug:

Honestly they like all the money and assets they get to seize from people with small bags of pot. And all the money the gov gets from alcohol and big tobacco, pot doesn't stand a chance

There's no way to really quantify how intoxicated you are while driving on pot either, unlike alcohol. I smoke 10+ times a day so my blood would be saturated even after a day or two of not smoking. Cant have something be legal and yet if you've smoked within the past 2 or 3 weeks any cop can get a warrant for your blood and slap you with an ouid :courtjudge:




That's the same sentiment I had 10+ years ago. There's progress. 90s child?


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Re: John McCain: ‘Maybe we should legalize’ pot [Re: Chuckfinely] * 1
    #18810008 - 09/06/13 11:48 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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people are delusional about pot becoming legal. everyone seems to think were taking steps in the direction of making it like cig's but for 21+ and a limit on how much you can posses at any one time :shrug:

Honestly they like all the money and assets they get to seize from people with small bags of pot. And all the money the gov gets from alcohol and big tobacco, pot doesn't stand a chance

There's no way to really quantify how intoxicated you are while driving on pot either, unlike alcohol. I smoke 10+ times a day so my blood would be saturated even after a day or two of not smoking. Cant have something be legal and yet if you've smoked within the past 2 or 3 weeks any cop can get a warrant for your blood and slap you with an ouid :courtjudge:



you must be living in a cave


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Re: John McCain: ‘Maybe we should legalize’ pot [Re: Panick]
    #18810088 - 09/07/13 12:28 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

This is another step in the right direction and an awesome turn around. He's putting his neck out there by backing legalization, and he deserves credit and support for doing so.

He's a cool dude for this as far as I'm concerned :thumbup:


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Re: John McCain: ‘Maybe we should legalize’ pot [Re: Chuckfinely] * 4
    #18810439 - 09/07/13 04:00 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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And all the money the gov gets from alcohol and big tobacco, pot doesn't stand a chance




It's not cool to smoke anymore.  In California it's down to like 1 in 10 people or less.  It's not socially acceptable, it's not healthy, the customers are dieing off, and the regulations and information about smoking have hurt the industry.
But what's this, a new plant that we can deliver in much the same way, rolled up cigarettes of paper and sold in packs of 20 joints - sounds to me like it would be the perfect time for the big cigarette companies to switch to a brand new cash crop, and this time it's healthy!  They don't even need to change much of the manufacturing machinery, it's practically handled, prepared, and processed in the same way.  They just need to replant the fields.


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Re: John McCain: ‘Maybe we should legalize’ pot [Re: nooneman]
    #18810443 - 09/07/13 04:02 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

there all bullshit. lies. then do what they want when they are given any power.


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Re: John McCain: ‘Maybe we should legalize’ pot [Re: Panick]
    #18810763 - 09/07/13 08:18 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

They can't roll pot into packs of joints.  It gums up the automatic rolling machine.
When you get real legalization you get bottles of oil or tincture on the shelf.  The farmers take their crop to the perfume factory and turn it into oil.
Something like 50% of Americans drink regularly.  If pot was legal and 50% of Americans smoked pot, the farmers would have to grow like crazy to supply the want.


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Re: John McCain: ‘Maybe we should legalize’ pot [Re: sunshine]
    #18810808 - 09/07/13 08:46 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Weeds a weed, it can be grown very high density. Decades of prohibition have endured that :lol:


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Re: John McCain: ‘Maybe we should legalize’ pot [Re: Panick]
    #18810876 - 09/07/13 09:13 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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And all the money the gov gets from alcohol and big tobacco, pot doesn't stand a chance




It's not cool to smoke anymore.  In California it's down to like 1 in 10 people or less.  It's not socially acceptable, it's not healthy, the customers are dieing off, and the regulations and information about smoking have hurt the industry.
But what's this, a new plant that we can deliver in much the same way, rolled up cigarettes of paper and sold in packs of 20 joints - sounds to me like it would be the perfect time for the big cigarette companies to switch to a brand new cash crop, and this time it's healthy!  They don't even need to change much of the manufacturing machinery, it's practically handled, prepared, and processed in the same way.  They just need to replant the fields.



weed is not really healthy man


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Re: John McCain: ‘Maybe we should legalize’ pot [Re: morrowasted] * 1
    #18811255 - 09/07/13 11:30 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Not sure what you mean by that, there is no reasonable risk associated with smoking outside of prohibition and a lot of medical benefits


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Re: John McCain: ‘Maybe we should legalize’ pot [Re: Repertoire89]
    #18811922 - 09/07/13 03:11 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Weed can be farmed in the same regions and the same manner as tobacco.  Kentucky, for instance, is beginning to grow hemp in large field type scenarios. 
As for weed gumming up the machines, not quite.  My grinder and roller, not very sophisticated and prone to me spilling, go ages without being changed.  Many industrial machines handle and process caustic substances all the time.  Even if it was too sticky it would just be sprayed with some topical treatment of one chemical or another to make it behave (like gummy bears) - these are the cigarette companies we are talking about here, not really afraid to throw in their own patented batch of chemicals.


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Re: John McCain: ‘Maybe we should legalize’ pot [Re: Panick]
    #18812031 - 09/07/13 03:50 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)



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Re: John McCain: ‘Maybe we should legalize’ pot [Re: Panick]
    #18812120 - 09/07/13 04:21 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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there all bullshit. lies. then do what they want when they are given any power.



It's not about what happens when they're in power. Just supporting it verbally is a huge step forward.

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They can't roll pot into packs of joints.  It gums up the automatic rolling machine.



Even if they could, legalization isn't about that. Legalization is about not arresting people for smoking and growing pot. It's about not ending up in prison just because you had a plant in your bedroom. Anything that makes that happen is good whether or not big industry gets into it.

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weed is not really healthy man



Healthier than tobacco or alcohol. Less fatalities than aspirin.

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Weed can be farmed in the same regions and the same manner as tobacco.  Kentucky, for instance, is beginning to grow hemp in large field type scenarios. 




Again, this is missing the point. Legalization is about not arresting people for pot. Beyond that, big tobacco isn't getting involved in weed in Colorado or Washington anyway. The whole argument against legalization based on the fear that big companies might get involved is really stupid.

Just because Walmart might end up selling it one day doesn't mean that we should continue to arrest people for smoking and growing pot.


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Re: John McCain: ‘Maybe we should legalize’ pot [Re: nooneman]
    #18812236 - 09/07/13 05:07 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I think you are on such a personal mission here to get your points proven that you are the one missing the point.  I think you misread us, we are saying because Walmart might sell it one day is the *reason* it will be legalized.
It is the big businesses and lobbyists that will eventually make it legal.  Why would tobacco companies jump on board when it is two states?  So they can pander to a relatively small customer base with no established farm/factory land in a region with legalization?
When this movement gets close to finalization, when the final hands needs to be greased with cash, and the broader scope of the United States gets involved is when we will see the big tobacco corporations switching gear just so they can keep their own heads above water the with newest smoking commodity.


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Re: John McCain: ‘Maybe we should legalize’ pot [Re: Repertoire89]
    #18812456 - 09/07/13 06:13 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Actually, you can get emphysema from smoking pot.  You're 20 times as likely to get it from smoking tobacco.  Pot doesn't seem to cause lung cancer.
I'd prefer to get a tincture and put ten drops or so in a drink in the morning, then repeat throughout the day.


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Re: John McCain: ‘Maybe we should legalize’ pot [Re: travelleler]
    #18812675 - 09/07/13 07:18 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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politicians are fucking robots.  He's gonna say whatever he thinks will make him seem cool. 



True, that. When public opinion of legalization was <50%, 99% of politicians opposed it to cater to voters. Now that it's edging over 50%, we'll see more and more change their official stance on it, just to cater to the voters, no matter what their actual personal stance is. Of course, that's better than nothing, but it still shows you that the majority of politicians cannot be respected.


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Re: John McCain: ‘Maybe we should legalize’ pot [Re: sunshine]
    #18812710 - 09/07/13 07:29 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Actually, you can get emphysema from smoking pot.  You're 20 times as likely to get it from smoking tobacco.  Pot doesn't seem to cause lung cancer.
I'd prefer to get a tincture and put ten drops or so in a drink in the morning, then repeat throughout the day.




What are the odds of getting emphysema from smoking pot? Is it statistically worth mentioning, because I'm pretty sure it isn't. You can technically be struck by lightning 10 miles from a thunderstorm


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Re: John McCain: ‘Maybe we should legalize’ pot [Re: Repertoire89]
    #18812801 - 09/07/13 07:54 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I think McCain has a pretty level head honestly. He is an old timer and for him to realize that weed isn't a big deal is a huge step.. I mean everyone always fucking begs for the politicians to change policies and when they do it they claim they are just trying to please.. McCain is fucking old I doubt he is going to run again for president..


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Re: John McCain: ‘Maybe we should legalize’ pot [Re: Gorlax]
    #18815478 - 09/08/13 02:42 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

You should have added your sig to the end of your post lol


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Re: John McCain: ‘Maybe we should legalize’ pot [Re: dark3st]
    #18816273 - 09/08/13 06:34 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Sounds like McCain is gearing up to run for president.


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Re: John McCain: ‘Maybe we should legalize’ pot [Re: Panick]
    #18817068 - 09/08/13 10:32 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Too little, too late John.  You had your chance and blew it.  Now go away.


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Re: John McCain: ‘Maybe we should legalize’ pot [Re: SuperD]
    #18817073 - 09/08/13 10:33 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Too little, too late John.  You had your chance and blew it.  Now go away.




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Re: John McCain: ‘Maybe we should legalize’ pot [Re: Repertoire89]
    #18817434 - 09/09/13 12:13 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Not sure what you mean by that, there is no reasonable risk associated with smoking outside of prohibition and a lot of medical benefits




I have never met a chronic marijuana user who was made "healthier" by the habit than a teetotaler, you are kidding yourself if you think it's good for you. Marijuana does have medical applications for pain relief but the average 7-days-a-week recreational user is a disheveled, useless bum.


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Re: John McCain: ‘Maybe we should legalize’ pot [Re: Brand X]
    #18817640 - 09/09/13 01:51 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Maybe he deserves to be water boarded but at least he is open to the idea of legalized marijuana


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Re: John McCain: ‘Maybe we should legalize’ pot [Re: Brand X]
    #18818356 - 09/09/13 10:04 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Not sure what you mean by that, there is no reasonable risk associated with smoking outside of prohibition and a lot of medical benefits




I have never met a chronic marijuana user who was made "healthier" by the habit than a teetotaler, you are kidding yourself if you think it's good for you. Marijuana does have medical applications for pain relief but the average 7-days-a-week recreational user is a disheveled, useless bum.





I've seen both sides of the spectrum... in person, and I'd have to agree with you, though I wouldnt call them useless bums--- but certainly a breakfast-lunch-dinner 24/7 bong hitting stoner operates on a scale of "reduced productivity"  no doubt.

on the flipside though--- people who suck down espresso and 5-hour energy shots three times a day (or more) often seem irritable and emotionally volatile, argumentative, road rage, etc...

good quality natural sleep is pivotal for human health-- despite what some people might say...  marijuana, alcohol, and caffeine all interfere with REM sleep :shrug:


IMHO--- a few bong tokes once or twice a week is the best way to use weed... at least for people who use relationally and not for medical reasons.  at those levels the herb is inspiring-- the body does not have much tolerance to the THC and you get a lot more "mindfood" from the experience.  Whereas daily use becomes more of a chore and the benefits are diminished somewhat

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Re: John McCain: ‘Maybe we should legalize’ pot [Re: Brand X]
    #18818651 - 09/09/13 11:55 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Not sure what you mean by that, there is no reasonable risk associated with smoking outside of prohibition and a lot of medical benefits




I have never met a chronic marijuana user who was made "healthier" by the habit than a teetotaler, you are kidding yourself if you think it's good for you. Marijuana does have medical applications for pain relief but the average 7-days-a-week recreational user is a disheveled, useless bum.




:lol: you just made a ridiculous generalization and I'm the one who's 'kidding' myself.


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Re: John McCain: ‘Maybe we should legalize’ pot [Re: Repertoire89]
    #18826507 - 09/11/13 04:54 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Awesome to hear for you guys in US :smile: good vibes from the people of AUS through the sea!

Let me be the first to apologise for our new govt on behalf of the the youngsters everywhere here. Lucky i have found shroomery woo, it doesn't matter!:mushroom2::rocket:


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