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OfflineThe Ecstatic
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Re: atheism is small minded. [Re: koods] * 1
    #18818912 - 09/09/13 01:27 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

When someone is losing the argument, they change the argument.

Pretty soon we'll have the Pope saying "God IS science!"


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Re: atheism is small minded. [Re: koods]
    #18818916 - 09/09/13 01:28 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I call myself an antagonizing agnostic because I'm just a slightly advanced ape on a rock floating a ball of hydrogen gas.  I know nothing of the existence after life.  Although I do enjoy pissing off christians.


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Re: atheism is small minded. [Re: The Doobie Dude]
    #18818935 - 09/09/13 01:36 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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I call myself an antagonizing agnostic because I'm just a slightly advanced ape on a rock floating a ball of hydrogen gas.  I know nothing of the existence after life.  Although I do enjoy pissing off christians.




Agnosticism is the tits if you're an empirical type. But you better start coming up with terms for the uncertainty of literally everything that is or isnt in existence.  Vampires, werewolves, flying spaghetti monsters, etc.

Agnostics are just too pussy to commit to logic. Its a watered down Pascal's wager.


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Re: atheism is small minded. [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #18818943 - 09/09/13 01:39 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

that's small minded


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Re: atheism is small minded. [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #18818950 - 09/09/13 01:42 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Are you legally retarted?  So tell me Mr. All Knowing what happens after death?  If you're wrong I hope you know you're stupid.


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Re: atheism is small minded. [Re: The Doobie Dude]
    #18818958 - 09/09/13 01:45 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Are you legally retarted?  So tell me Mr. All Knowing what happens after death?  If you're wrong I hope you know you're stupid.




Can you be more specific?

What happens to my body or my consciousness?


If we're speaking in general terms, after I die the world will rip itself apart in anguish and hopelessness.


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Re: atheism is small minded. [Re: The Doobie Dude]
    #18818970 - 09/09/13 01:47 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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What happens after death?



What happened before you are born.


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Re: atheism is small minded. [Re: pmoseman]
    #18818975 - 09/09/13 01:49 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

your parents do it


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Re: atheism is small minded. [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #18819010 - 09/09/13 02:00 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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your parents do it



Birth is conception.
Baby killer.
What happens after people die is that they lay down.
Obviously not what we are after.


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Re: atheism is small minded. [Re: The Doobie Dude]
    #18819015 - 09/09/13 02:01 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Are you legally retarted?  So tell me Mr. All Knowing what happens after death?  If you're wrong I hope you know you're stupid.





We visit a Jewish man that lived 2000 years ago?  :shrug:


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Re: atheism is small minded. [Re: qman]
    #18819022 - 09/09/13 02:04 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)



Religion is the worst thing to ever happen to humanity. Period. The above video also pretty much shows it as a sham.

Having faith is good. Following religion is man's downfall.


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Re: atheism is small minded. [Re: The Doobie Dude]
    #18819042 - 09/09/13 02:09 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Are you legally retarted?  So tell me Mr. All Knowing what happens after death?  If you're wrong I hope you know you're stupid.




Ooo! Ooh! I know! It is actually VERY well documented. Your body decomposes, and all the little connections that made you who you were crumble. Your body ceases to exist and since your mind and your consciousness are merely a manifestation of the way atoms and molecules were organized in said body, your mind ceases to function and your consciousness simply vanishes. There is absolutely no evidence to believe anything else. Of course, you WANT to believe that can't possibly be true, but it appears to be.

So, you better make the most of this life, because you don't get any more.


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Re: atheism is small minded. [Re: koods]
    #18819056 - 09/09/13 02:13 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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The Doobie Dude said:
Are you legally retarted?  So tell me Mr. All Knowing what happens after death?  If you're wrong I hope you know you're stupid.




Ooo! Ooh! I know! It is actually VERY well documented. Your body decomposes, and all the little connections that made you who you were crumble. Your body ceases to exist and since your mind and your consciousness are merely a manifestation of the way atoms and molecules were organized in said body, your mind ceases to function and your consciousness simply vanishes. There is absolutely no evidence to believe anything else. Of course, you WANT to believe that can't possibly be true, but it appears to be.

So, you better make the most of this life, because you don't get any more.




I am not entirely in agreement. The way you describe consciousness is as something that arises out from the atoms and molecules, that it can be destroyed and created, joining and leaving existence.
Not saying that is not possible, it seems so, but it does require an explanation.


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Re: atheism is small minded. [Re: pmoseman]
    #18819080 - 09/09/13 02:18 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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pmoseman said:
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koods said:
Quote:

The Doobie Dude said:
Are you legally retarted?  So tell me Mr. All Knowing what happens after death?  If you're wrong I hope you know you're stupid.




Ooo! Ooh! I know! It is actually VERY well documented. Your body decomposes, and all the little connections that made you who you were crumble. Your body ceases to exist and since your mind and your consciousness are merely a manifestation of the way atoms and molecules were organized in said body, your mind ceases to function and your consciousness simply vanishes. There is absolutely no evidence to believe anything else. Of course, you WANT to believe that can't possibly be true, but it appears to be.

So, you better make the most of this life, because you don't get any more.




I am not entirely in agreement. The way you describe consciousness is as something that arises out from the atoms and molecules, that it can be destroyed and created, joining and leaving existence.
Not saying that is not possible, it seems so, but it does require an explanation.





So you think everything else in the entire universe that exists because of matter, except consciousness?

Bro.
Your brain is just a very complicated electrical circuit that acts based on proteins and acids. Theres no magic involved. Sorry, but we're not special. Just a sack of water finding the best way to make new sacks of water.


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Re: atheism is small minded. [Re: pmoseman]
    #18819087 - 09/09/13 02:20 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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pmoseman said:
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koods said:
Quote:

The Doobie Dude said:
Are you legally retarted?  So tell me Mr. All Knowing what happens after death?  If you're wrong I hope you know you're stupid.




Ooo! Ooh! I know! It is actually VERY well documented. Your body decomposes, and all the little connections that made you who you were crumble. Your body ceases to exist and since your mind and your consciousness are merely a manifestation of the way atoms and molecules were organized in said body, your mind ceases to function and your consciousness simply vanishes. There is absolutely no evidence to believe anything else. Of course, you WANT to believe that can't possibly be true, but it appears to be.

So, you better make the most of this life, because you don't get any more.




I am not entirely in agreement. The way you describe consciousness is as something that arises out from the atoms and molecules, that it can be destroyed and created, joining and leaving existence.
Not saying that is not possible, it seems so, but it does require an explanation.




Consciousness, self awareness, personality - whatever you wish to call it - is clearly nothing but a property of the brain and there is all of human history to back that claim up. Damage to the brain alters these things in demonstrable AND predictable ways. Enough damage, and they cease to exist.

It may be a difficult idea to understand or accept, but that doesn't mean it isn't true,


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Re: atheism is small minded. [Re: koods]
    #18819100 - 09/09/13 02:26 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Sorry, but we're not special. Just a sack of water finding the best way to make new sacks of water.




We exist as vehicles to carry our genes safely through time and space. The only thing that that lives on after we die is the code stored in our DNA,


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Re: atheism is small minded. [Re: koods]
    #18819116 - 09/09/13 02:31 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Sorry, but we're not special. Just a sack of water finding the best way to make new sacks of water.




We exist as vehicles to carry our genes safely through time and space. The only thing that that lives on after we die is the code stored in our DNA,




And the little microbes that are finally free to devour us without those pesky antibodies.


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Re: atheism is small minded. [Re: koods]
    #18819118 - 09/09/13 02:31 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Sorry, but we're not special. Just a sack of water finding the best way to make new sacks of water.




We exist as vehicles to carry our genes safely through time and space. The only thing that that lives on after we die is the code stored in our DNA,




Arguably parts of our consciousness sort of live on in the minds of people who remember us, kind of a "ghost in the machine" thing.


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Re: atheism is small minded. [Re: psi]
    #18819130 - 09/09/13 02:37 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I think we are special. A few simple physical laws and constants have enabled matter to assemble in such a way that over the lifetime of the universe, these assemblages of common atoms have become aware of themselves and the natural forces that lead to their own complexity. That's fucking awesome.


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Re: atheism is small minded. [Re: koods]
    #18819171 - 09/09/13 02:51 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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I think we are special. A few simple physical laws and constants have enabled matter to assemble in such a way that over the lifetime of the universe, these assemblages of common atoms have become aware of themselves and the natural forces that lead to their own complexity. That's fucking awesome.




it really is :awepixel:

reminds me of a quote: "we exist as a means for the universe to experience itself."


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