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UnholyChild666 said: any of you rich kids wanna see if I can get tis thread shutdown without getting myself banned?
i'm a poor adult can i still vote?
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UnholyChild666 said: any of you rich kids wanna see if I can get tis thread shutdown without getting myself banned?
i'm a poor adult can i still vote?
not if your a women or black.
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Whatever.
An atheist who says god does not exist is making unsupportable claims. He doesn't understand what atheism is.
I've never heard a so called militant atheist say such things - I think people just assume because they don't understand what atheism is.
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Re: atheism is small minded. [Re: koods]
#18822531 - 09/10/13 09:11 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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maybe to you atheism is about only making the most logical conclusions based on the currently available evidence, but perhaps to another atheist it is solely about denying the existence of a god that they consider forced on them
atheism has no centralized dogma, beyond perhaps the simplest expression of 'lacking belief in a deity'--beyond that it is anyones game--who are you to try and force your personal dogmas onto atheism as a whole?
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Re: atheism is small minded. [Re: koods]
#18822534 - 09/10/13 09:12 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Check the first couple pages of this thread. You say I misunderstand atheism, along with many people. What makes you think those many people are wrong? Again, go back to the beginning. Many sources define atheism as a positive denial of deities. Show me a source that definitely states that this is incorrect.
Fuck the dictionary. Atheists do not say god does not exist. WE HAVE NO POSITION ON GODS. We dont want to talk about god because the existence of god is baseless claim. We would like to not give a shit about other people's magical made up entities, but they force us to talk about them. Atheist is a thing only because there are powerful adults in the world that have imaginary friends.
Do you understand that the idea of god is a fabrication of the human mind.? He is imaginary. Atheists deny that the made up god of the bible exists, but there may be REAL god somewhere.
One more attempt to get the point across
Until God leaves evidence to the contrary, he is a FICTIONAL character.

Koods, you have done a good job in this thread, keep it up!
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Re: atheism is small minded. [Re: koods]
#18822541 - 09/10/13 09:16 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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militant != hard
for example, dawkins does not consider himself to be a hard atheist (ie, he does not make the claim to know there is no god) yet few, including himself, would deny he is a militant atheist
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Way to bring another subjective definition into the thread. 
So what's a militant atheist, someone who shares and defends his position of disbelief with others? Does the atheist have to start the conversation to be militant? Does he have to be politically involved with modern atheism? Why is he labeled militant when atheists are the only group of people not starting wars over their beliefs (or lack thereof)?
People act like there are atheists going around disrupting church services on the reg, holding Bible burnings and shit, attacking innocent bystanders for wearing Jesus shirts. Dawkins does most of his speaking at universities, where religious people show up and attack his ideas. Even when he interviews stubborn, deluded creationists he mostly stays polite and composed, so what makes him militant?
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Lets break things down a bit.
Theism = believing Gnosticism = knowing
All people are either theist/atheist AND ALSO either gnostic/agnostic (they arent mutually exclusive). I think everybody in this thread would fall under the agnostic side for that part of the equation.
Now what is left is whether you are theist or atheist (your beliefs). Another way of thinking about this is your opinion. People here are (for the most part) all agnostic so no one claims to KNOW if there is a god. So we can then describe our OPINION on the matter.
This leaves two categories: atheist agnostic - don't know but opinion on the matter is there is no god (aka not knowing, non believer). Theist agnostic - dont know but opinion on the matter is a higher order/god exists (aka not knowing, believer).
(For gnostics there would be atheist gnostic (nihilists) or theist gnostic (religious)).
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Re: atheism is small minded. [Re: koods]
#18823395 - 09/10/13 01:11 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Check the first couple pages of this thread. You say I misunderstand atheism, along with many people. What makes you think those many people are wrong? Again, go back to the beginning. Many sources define atheism as a positive denial of deities. Show me a source that definitely states that this is incorrect.
Fuck the dictionary. Atheists do not say god does not exist. WE HAVE NO POSITION ON GODS. We dont want to talk about god because the existence of god is baseless claim. We would like to not give a shit about other people's magical made up entities, but they force us to talk about them. Atheist is a thing only because there are powerful adults in the world that have imaginary friends.
Do you understand that the idea of god is a fabrication of the human mind.? He is imaginary. Atheists deny that the made up god of the bible exists, but there may be REAL god somewhere.
One more attempt to get the point across
Until God leaves evidence to the contrary, he is a FICTIONAL character.
What a convoluted, self-contradicting mess of a post. No offense.
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Re: atheism is small minded. [Re: Nova]
#18823417 - 09/10/13 01:17 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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What a convoluted, self-contradicting mess of a post. No offense.
You're wrong. Why would I be offended?
I don't believe the theists
Simple as that.
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Re: atheism is small minded. [Re: koods]
#18823446 - 09/10/13 01:24 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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But that stance is absolutely baffling. Gods are an imaginary thing, yet you aren't denying the existence of such a concept? You seem reasonably intelligent, but I have no idea what to make of that. To me, not a believer by the way, you're dipping a cup in the ocean, taking a look, and saying there are no such thing as fish.
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Re: atheism is small minded. [Re: Blend]
#18823503 - 09/10/13 01:39 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'm not denying the concept of an imaginary god. I could imagine one, and it would exist. Theist have an imaginary god they claim is a real god. I dismiss this claim for lack of evidence.
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Re: atheism is small minded. [Re: koods]
#18823554 - 09/10/13 01:53 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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That's a very clever way of being right no matter what the truth happens to be while taking no responsibility and making no commitments. I kinda admire it to be honest. The only reason you'd have to worry is if the theists turn out to be right. Its no wonder you hold them in such low regard. But as militant an atheist you may be, the theistic route is wrought with the very same reasoning of 'better safe than sorry.'
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Re: atheism is small minded. [Re: Blend]
#18823629 - 09/10/13 02:17 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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deadendeavor said: That's a very clever way of being right no matter what the truth happens to be while taking no responsibility and making no commitments. I kinda admire it to be honest. The only reason you'd have to worry is if the theists turn out to be right. Its no wonder you hold them in such low regard. But as militant an atheist you may be, the theistic route is wrought with the very same reasoning of 'better safe than sorry.' 
You seem to either be intentionally twisting his logic or you've got your own all bungled up.
Koods, Joie, myself and the other atheists in this thread are saying that most atheists do not believe that there is a 0% chance of god existing. Most take the stance that because no compelling evidence of any kind has ever been presented, there is no reason to believe in the existence of any of the gods in modern or ancient religions.
You know there are cross-cultural concepts and stories of mermaids, but also that there's never been any evidence they exist (despite what the "History" channel might farce up). Are you agnostic about mermaids? Theoretically, though quite improbably, they could exist in some small pocket of the ocean that we've yet to explore.
Koods and I would agree that mermaids don't exist. If a mermaid appeared on south beach and marine biologists presented evidence that determined it was a genuine organic creature, we would then change our stances. If a carcass got fished up by a boat, we might even reevaluate our doubts on their existence. There's no reason to presently be agnostic about mermaids though, nor is there any reason to be about god.
Agnosticism is not the base level stance like agnostics want to make it sound, you're not agnostic about the Flying Spaghetti Monster or sharknados or mermaids, yet all of those have more evidence supporting the possibility of their existence than god does. And you accuse atheism of dodging responsibility and commitment!
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Re: atheism is small minded. [Re: Blend]
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deadendeavor said: That's a very clever way of being right no matter what the truth happens to be while taking no responsibility and making no commitments. I kinda admire it to be honest. The only reason you'd have to worry is if the theists turn out to be right. Its no wonder you hold them in such low regard. But as militant an atheist you may be, the theistic route is wrought with the very same reasoning of 'better safe than sorry.' 
Actually the burden of proof is on the theist making the god claim as you are doing. So if you can prove your god claim with scientific evidence then I will take the claim seriously.
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Re: atheism is small minded. [Re: Gilgamesh18]
#18823699 - 09/10/13 02:43 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Gilgamesh18 said: Actually the burden of proof is on the theist making the god claim as you are doing. So if you can prove your god claim with scientific evidence then I will take the claim seriously.
ARGUMENT FROM GUITAR MASTERY (1) Eric Clapton is God. (2) Therefore, God exists.
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Re: atheism is small minded. [Re: Nova]
#18823751 - 09/10/13 02:56 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Nova said: Lets break things down a bit.
Theism = believing Gnosticism = knowing
All people are either theist/atheist AND ALSO either gnostic/agnostic (they arent mutually exclusive). I think everybody in this thread would fall under the agnostic side for that part of the equation.
Now what is left is whether you are theist or atheist (your beliefs). Another way of thinking about this is your opinion. People here are (for the most part) all agnostic so no one claims to KNOW if there is a god. So we can then describe our OPINION on the matter.
This leaves two categories: atheist agnostic - don't know but opinion on the matter is there is no god (aka not knowing, non believer). Theist agnostic - dont know but opinion on the matter is a higher order/god exists (aka not knowing, believer).
(For gnostics there would be atheist gnostic (nihilists) or theist gnostic (religious)).
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Re: atheism is small minded. [Re: TwinEclipse]
#18823764 - 09/10/13 02:59 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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TwinEclipse said: Would you believe that the future holds the REAL truth for many of our current beliefs?
I do. The future obtains limitless opportunity.
Every developing human being seeks truth, but the mind chooses to believe.
Aren't you just pointing out the blatantly obvious?
Well, if truth were so obvious, why wouldn't the great minds of shroomery agree on concepts of higher order in this universe? So many contrasting views on this thread.
I said that to demonstrate that the present will never hold all the answers; not during the birth of nihilism and probably not in the near future.
What I take from that is...have fun with life and enjoy the ride, cuz that's all you got and respect OTHER's beliefs, cuz that's all THEY got.
So as time goes on we learn more 
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Gilgamesh18 said: Actually the burden of proof is on the theist making the god claim as you are doing. So if you can prove your god claim with scientific evidence then I will take the claim seriously.
ARGUMENT FROM GUITAR MASTERY (1) Eric Clapton is God. (2) Therefore, God exists.
If you can link me to some peer reviewed studies on Eric Claptons God status I will build a shrine in his honor and hold services every week praising him to the high heavens!
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