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Schizophrenia and spirituality
    #18808773 - 09/06/13 06:51 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I've stayed up too long on meth and smoked cannabis a few times, and this has sends me into a full blown psychotic episode. I'm prone to cannabis induced psychosis as it is, so the combination of the meth induced sleep deprivation and the cannabis really sends me off my rockers. They have been the scariest experiences of my life hands down, but also some of the most spiritually awakening experiences. I would be getting terrorized by hallucinations for hours on end, and eventually I'd just accept defeat and surrender. It was only years later that I started to understand the spiritual implications of all this. It wasn't me that was being assaulted by the hallucinations, it was my ego. Wasn't me that was struggling to survive, it was my ego.

I remember listening to this song during and after one of the experiences:

hearing it again brings back all the bizarre, alien emotions that came with that state. Its like that tune was made to be listened to in the psychotic state. The state where everything has deep spiritual meaning below the surface. I remember thinking that what happens in this 3D world is just ripples caused by what is going on in the spiritual world, and that the pain and suffering we feel here (the illusory 3D world), has its source in the spiritual world (the real world) and thinking about how sad it was that everyone is deluded into thinking the source of their pain can be comprehended with the 3D mind and at the same time how awesome it is that this pain is the very thing that ultimately forces us to drop all the pettiness and surface bullshit and see what we are underneath: psychonautical warriors. These experiences were years ago, but I can't shake the feeling that I may have been seeing the truth. Maybe I've been like an ostriche with its head in the sand, and its time to wake the fuck up and remember I'm not confined to this 3D reality thing. Or maybe there is no reality. Maybe we simply exist in the reality, on which frequency we resonate.


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Re: Schizophrenia and spirituality [Re: CrimpJiggler]
    #18808915 - 09/06/13 07:20 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

THIS SONG IS FUCKING AWESOME.

/drugs

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Re: Schizophrenia and spirituality [Re: GloomShroom]
    #18808980 - 09/06/13 07:33 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I know. Hearing it while in psychosis or psychedelic state is completely mind bending.


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Re: Schizophrenia and spirituality [Re: CrimpJiggler]
    #18811328 - 09/07/13 11:57 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Don't underestimate Nature. it is not "3 D reality", it is real living reality, Mystery, you are born into and die into. it is sacred


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Re: Schizophrenia and spirituality [Re: zzripz]
    #18811876 - 09/07/13 02:52 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

^

Nature is a mind.


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Re: Schizophrenia and spirituality [Re: circastes]
    #18811880 - 09/07/13 02:54 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

zzripz can you elaborate.


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Re: Schizophrenia and spirituality [Re: CrimpJiggler]
    #18812256 - 09/07/13 05:13 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Can't tell if he's trolling or not actually


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Re: Schizophrenia and spirituality [Re: circastes]
    #18812270 - 09/07/13 05:16 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

It seems to me that there are frequencies, levels or dimensions of reality and your brain is like a tuning device. This is from direct experience, I'm aware of it now, this is not speculation or wishful thinking. I'm always going into different frequencies.

I agree if that post is not a troll that reality is sacred.


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Re: Schizophrenia and spirituality [Re: circastes]
    #18813973 - 09/08/13 03:19 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I think hes serious, I think hes talking about the same thing I experienced on salvia. The environment being conscious. I've heard people say the universe is conscious, but I haven't experienced that for myself, so I don't know it beyond a theoretical level. Its the feeling I get on mushroom like psychedelics too.

Really interesting what you say about frequencies. How do you know this to be true, on an experiential level? I mean, what tells you its all about frequencies and the brain is like a tuning device? During psychosis, I've seen small lightweight objects rapidly oscillating, it was as if my brain couldn't determine their exact location so they existed in multiple locations at once. When I walked right up close to them, they stopped oscillating and I could see what they were. Something really odd is that they made noise as they were oscillating, similar to a fan.

I don't like theorizing but according to mainstream scientific theory, all particles (and therefore all solid matter) exhibit this wave particle duality thing, therefore even the material world consists entirely of vibrations with frequencies. That goes for neurotransmitters and mind altering substances too. So I suppose the specific types of neurochemicals present in the brain would affect the overall frequency of the brain, and thus the frequencies it resonates with.


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Re: Schizophrenia and spirituality [Re: CrimpJiggler]
    #18814045 - 09/08/13 05:00 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

BTW circastes, do you ever get sleep paralysis?


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Re: Schizophrenia and spirituality [Re: CrimpJiggler]
    #18814055 - 09/08/13 05:13 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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I think hes serious, I think hes talking about the same thing I experienced on salvia. The environment being conscious. I've heard people say the universe is conscious, but I haven't experienced that for myself, so I don't know it beyond a theoretical level. Its the feeling I get on mushroom like psychedelics too.

Really interesting what you say about frequencies. How do you know this to be true, on an experiential level? I mean, what tells you its all about frequencies and the brain is like a tuning device? During psychosis, I've seen small lightweight objects rapidly oscillating, it was as if my brain couldn't determine their exact location so they existed in multiple locations at once. When I walked right up close to them, they stopped oscillating and I could see what they were. Something really odd is that they made noise as they were oscillating, similar to a fan.

I don't like theorizing but according to mainstream scientific theory, all particles (and therefore all solid matter) exhibit this wave particle duality thing, therefore even the material world consists entirely of vibrations with frequencies. That goes for neurotransmitters and mind altering substances too. So I suppose the specific types of neurochemicals present in the brain would affect the overall frequency of the brain, and thus the frequencies it resonates with.




Yes I was serious. I am saying what you sensed I was saying, that Nature is conscious. This quote explains it very well. The author is saying that we are being played, in that the elite offer us a supposed 'choice'---either scientific materialism or New Age spiritualsm. The latter would include the idea that nature and universe is 'just a 3D illusion'--etc etc. This is what the likes of David Icke's claims. But when looked at closer, BOTH these myths of scientism and the New Age make sure to make us feel disconnected from nature. Read the quote:
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...[C]onventional scientific discourse privileges the sensible field in abstraction from sensory experience, and commonly maintains that subjective experience is "caused" by an objectifiable set of processes in the mechanically determined field of the sensible. Meanwhile, New Age spiritualism regularly privileges pure sentience, or subjectivity, in abstraction from sensible matter, and often maintains that material reality is itself an illusory effect caused by an immaterial mind or spirit. Although commonly seen as opposed worldviews, both of these positions assume a qualitative difference between the sentient and the sensed; by prioritizing one or the other, both of these views perpetuate the distinction between human "subjects" and natural "objects" and hence neither threatens the common conception of sensible nature as a purely passive dimension suitable for human manipulation and use. While both of these views are unstable, each bolsters the other; by bouncing from one to the other---from scientific determinism to spiritual idealism and back again---contemporary discourse easily avoids the possibility that both the perceiving being and the perceived are of the same stuff, that the perceiver and the perceived are interdependent and in some sense even reversible aspects of a common animate element, or Flesh, that is at once both sensible and sensitive. " (The Spell of the Sensuous, by David Abram pages 66-67)




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Re: Schizophrenia and spirituality [Re: CrimpJiggler]
    #18814206 - 09/08/13 07:35 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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BTW circastes, do you ever get sleep paralysis?



Yeah I used to get it EVERY night and other nights just full blown out of body experiences. It all stopped after a medication change due to my illness. These medications will eventually stop and I will be able to resume my OBE adventuring. It is far beyond profound.


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Re: Schizophrenia and spirituality [Re: circastes]
    #18814240 - 09/08/13 07:51 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

What meds if you don't mind?


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Re: Schizophrenia and spirituality [Re: FishOilTheKid]
    #18815427 - 09/08/13 02:21 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Risperdal Consta (minimum dose) and Abilify 30mg.


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Re: Schizophrenia and spirituality [Re: circastes]
    #18815772 - 09/08/13 04:07 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

The line between enlightenments and psychosis can be extremely thin.

When your mind is wide open and you're sitting on the edge of insanity when states of consciousness blend into one another, truths might be unveiled but so might delusions. You have to be careful not to become lost in the madness and that can prove more difficult to some than others.

This reality is indeed sacred and it's important to hold on to it so as not to slip and fall into the abyss you might peer into.

Keep an open mind, but don't be consumed by it. The universe in which we exist in is as real as it gets, be it a resonating frequency, a material realm in the mind of an omniscient narrator or a snowglobe on God's mantelpiece. In these infinite cosmos on a little space rock formed billions of years ago with all the phenomenal circumstances to grow and sustain life, here we exist. There's no illusion about that.

The perception of our reality and another reality should not be confused by being intertwined. What we have is what we have.


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Re: Schizophrenia and spirituality [Re: Into The Woods]
    #18816111 - 09/08/13 05:49 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Serious.  But, the mind clings to belief about the world and just like one never knows completely the Salvia experience a seeker can find himself, or his mind, out of his control.  Its not just mere observation.  The organism fabricates delusions about what it is that it is observing.  Its faulty.


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Re: Schizophrenia and spirituality [Re: FishOilTheKid]
    #18816285 - 09/08/13 06:38 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I really don't know about schizophrenia having any kind of insight-like worth. You go fucking crazy and it really, really hurts.

This is unless I am just traumatised by how bad my marijuana experiences were.

I sort of see how the schizophrenic and the shaman "swim in the same waters". I am beginning to consider myself a shaman, especially since I "(am) a sick man who has healed himself." -McKenna. Also I seem to be so profoundly aware of so much in reality that I must be on a different level to most people.


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Re: Schizophrenia and spirituality [Re: circastes]
    #18816326 - 09/08/13 06:51 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Its interesting that MJ caused what it did for you.  I used and it seemed to help.  I want to start juicing.


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Re: Schizophrenia and spirituality [Re: circastes]
    #18817108 - 09/08/13 10:45 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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BTW circastes, do you ever get sleep paralysis?



Yeah I used to get it EVERY night and other nights just full blown out of body experiences. It all stopped after a medication change due to my illness. These medications will eventually stop and I will be able to resume my OBE adventuring. It is far beyond profound.




Same thing happened with me. Used to get sleep paralysis almost every night, but after going on xanax and other drugs for a few months, my brain chemistry changed and I stopped getting it. I quit all drugs a few months ago though, and now I'm starting to get it again. How do you know they're OBEs you experience? I go into lucid dreams from SP regularly, but I've only had 1 confirmed OBE so far, and that was after being on shrooms (tryptamines give me sleep paralysis) the previous day. Do you think the hypnagogic hallucinations is astral phenomena? Its mighty interesting meditating in sleep paralysis. When I just observe the hallucinations rather than react to them, the nature of them changes completely.


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Re: Schizophrenia and spirituality [Re: circastes]
    #18817151 - 09/08/13 10:56 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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BTW circastes, do you ever get sleep paralysis?



Yeah I used to get it EVERY night and other nights just full blown out of body experiences. It all stopped after a medication change due to my illness. These medications will eventually stop and I will be able to resume my OBE adventuring. It is far beyond profound.




Same thing happened with me. Used to get sleep paralysis almost every night, but after going on xanax and other drugs for a few months, my brain chemistry changed and I stopped getting it. I quit all drugs a few months ago though, and now I'm starting to get it again. How do you know they're OBEs you experience? I go into lucid dreams from SP regularly, but I've only had 1 confirmed OBE so far, and that was after being on shrooms (tryptamines give me sleep paralysis) the previous day. Do you think the hypnagogic hallucinations is astral phenomena? Its mighty interesting meditating in sleep paralysis. When I just observe the hallucinations rather than react to them, the nature of them changes completely. Tibetan Buddhists do a practice called dream yoga where they meditate in their sleep, and I read that they use this technique to prepare for death. They say that similar to retaining consciousness during sleep, they can retain it after death.

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I really don't know about schizophrenia having any kind of insight-like worth. You go fucking crazy and it really, really hurts.

This is unless I am just traumatised by how bad my marijuana experiences were.

I sort of see how the schizophrenic and the shaman "swim in the same waters". I am beginning to consider myself a shaman, especially since I "(am) a sick man who has healed himself." -McKenna. Also I seem to be so profoundly aware of so much in reality that I must be on a different level to most people.



Its always hard to see the value of your own experiences because you have nothing to compare them to, its only when things radically change do you see how the experiences really influenced you. I get cannabis induced psychosis too, a tiny amount (what would do nothing to the average person) instils a sense of pure terror and impending doom. If nothing else, it humbles me.


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Re: Schizophrenia and spirituality [Re: FishOilTheKid]
    #18817323 - 09/08/13 11:33 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Cool Aphex Twin song, I've never heard it before. Very trippy.


There is one song that was, is and always will be my psychosis and that is this:


I'm just the shadow of a bigger man
Glowing brighter with each year I am
I was standing on a mountain
Just looking down (on you on you)

It's like my daddy said
You gotta use your head (my body won't work for nobody but me, son)
Yeah, no one said that I aim to please

All your light can't save me
All your light all your light can't save me
I won't wait though my time may come
I can't wait, I can't wait
My time may come (my body won't work for nobody but me, son)

As a boy I had it figured out
There are things that you can't live without
But money, it's sad but true, would surely top that list
And your rules your rules, well they would not be missed

Well I became
Whole again
Cause no one said no one said no one said
There'd be times like these

I said all your light can't save me
All your light all your light can't save me
I won't wait though my time may come
I can't wait, I can't wait
My time may come

(my body won't work for nobody but me, son)
No one said there'd be times like these
(my body won't work for nobody but me, son)
No one said there'd be times like these
(my body won't work for nobody but me, son)
No one said there'd be times like these
(my body won't work for nobody but me, son)
Well, no one said there'd be times like these

I was licking flames, when I broke your reins
Still, no one said no one said no one said it'd be suicide

All your light can't save me
All your light, all your light can't save me
I won't wait though my time may come
I can't wait, I can't wait
My time may come

(my body won't work for nobody but me, son)
No one said there'd be times like these
(my body won't work for nobody but me, son)
No one said there'd be times like these

All your light can't save me
All your light, all your light can't save me
I won't wait though my time may come
I can't wait, I can't wait
My time may come


I don't care what anything thinks of Portugal. The Man, this song is amazing. On the surface the lyrics appear nonsensical  but when you are in that deep dark psychotic chapel perilous place this song has soooo much meaning. All Your Light, was, is and will always be the soundtrack to my insanity. When I first heard this song when I was psychotic it was like nothing I had ever experienced before. It was like the song was completely tuned into my wavelength.

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It seems to me that there are frequencies, levels or dimensions of reality and your brain is like a tuning device. This is from direct experience, I'm aware of it now, this is not speculation or wishful thinking. I'm always going into different frequencies.





This^. Hit the nail on the fucking head man. Our brain is capable of tuning into infinite different existing realities or or  pieces of several different realities put together because ourr brain is the anchor on which infinite different spiritual realities are reflected onto the material world. This is because our brain creates the reality we experience.  Sixth circuit metaprograming/ reality selection 101. Skeptical? Or maybe you see it as plausible on a theoretical level but never something that could be put into practice? Download my favourite program: PMA, the positive mental attitude. It is the most benign and one of my first successful metaprograms. I've used it in everything from psychosis to depression to shroom trips to just living. It is a good way to make it onto the fifth circuit.

If you find you can't get any good information on the eight-circuit model, that is because of shit like this:

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No u havent navigated "all eight"

These things are reserved for the coming golden age.

My favourite is the 5th neurosomatic gear. Its great and i mean it.

And no : "i tried my 5th circuit when me and my buds smoked some weed" you havent tried it yet trust me, youd be raving here about it non stop if u have.

No, 5th circuit will be activated my a member of 8th dimensional galactic federation council when the time is right.





:lol::lol::lol:


Two big misconceptions about the eight circuit model are:

1) You have to use drugs to navigate the circuits. Not true. Taking drugs are just an easy way to temporarily visit these circuits. Drugs can help but they can also hinder if one deludes themself into thinking that they achieved a circuit when they haven't made any real changes to their life except taking drugs. Take drugs, don't take drugs choice is yours but make those authentic change and activate those circuits.

2) Activating a circuit isn't like achieving a new belt in ju-jitsu. It is more like learning a new skill. They are set up in a hierarchy out of convenience to a reader and to acquiesce to the limits of a 2D page. Think of it more as eight separate intelligences. The reason the lower 4 circuits should be activated first is that each lower circuit corresponds to a higher circuits.
1 - 5
2- 6
3- 7
4 - 8
So it is wise to have a firm basis in each material  circuit before exploring the spiritual ones. If you want more info or think I am full of shit :wink: read this book.

I hope this helps some aspiring karma mechanic.


As for weed, I can't smoke it anymore. This winter I smoked a fair amount and it caused me start astrally projecting when I was conscious. I am serious. I would be watch a movie and my awareness would drift out of body and explore the theater. At first it was cool but then it started happening all the time. No control to it. So I switched anti-psychotics and it went away. I also smoked in the spring but at a reduced amount but it only brought me up to 80% then I would fall to -20% and feel like shit. I sat down and had a reality check with myself and determined that there is nothing for me in this drug (THC) anymore. So I  dug a hole and buried all my paraphernalia in the woods and quit. Haven't smoked in months

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Re: Schizophrenia and spirituality [Re: Psilopsychosis]
    #18817708 - 09/09/13 02:54 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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I don't care what anything thinks of Portugal. The Man, this song is amazing. On the surface the lyrics appear nonsensical  but when you are in that deep dark psychotic chapel perilous place this song has soooo much meaning. All Your Light, was, is and will always be the soundtrack to my insanity. When I first heard this song when I was psychotic it was like nothing I had ever experienced before. It was like the song was completely tuned into my wavelength.




This reminds me. I am in process of listening to this GREAT powerful interview about the experiences of this guy, Mike Cornwall, who had 'psychosis' and an important part of his healing came after reading a quote from the Bible. He said he wasn't Christian and still isn't but the words and meaning of what he read REALLY touched a deepness in his which inspired his healing:
"Come unto me all ye who are laboured and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest"
"There was something numinous in these words which spoke directly to my condition...And that was the turning point." Madness Radio: Madness and Renewal Michael Cornwall


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Re: Schizophrenia and spirituality [Re: zzripz]
    #18819399 - 09/09/13 03:56 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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This reminds me. I am in process of listening to this GREAT powerful interview about the experiences of this guy, Mike Cornwall, who had 'psychosis' and an important part of his healing came after reading a quote from the Bible. He said he wasn't Christian and still isn't but the words and meaning of what he read REALLY touched a deepness in his which inspired his healing:
"Come unto me all ye who are laboured and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest"
"There was something numinous in these words which spoke directly to my condition...And that was the turning point." Madness Radio: Madness and Renewal Michael Cornwall





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I found the book of John very inspirational and helpful towards my recovery. In my mind you don't have to be Christian(or Jewish) to find meaning in the bible.


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    #18820985 - 09/09/13 09:41 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

If you're not onto it already you should really pay attention to the fact that your mind is co-creating reality. It's makes life vastly more interesting. You appear to go into "worlds" where no one has been.


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    #18821025 - 09/09/13 09:49 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Like just take the obvious example of this forum. How many states of mind have you been in on this forum and thus seen it as either a hive of really interesting activity or a mediocre place filled with drug users?

This forum is really your creation. Your creation is just really convincing so it looks like the real thing.

So take that a bit further, put some music on and absorb into it. Doesn't the flow of things around you change? Somehow the mind is doing half or more than half of the show.


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    #18821094 - 09/09/13 10:08 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I completely understand this man. The shroomery is a great example.

Do you have any tips for someone who would like to develop this skill further?


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    #18821463 - 09/10/13 12:02 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I don't think it is linear so you can't linearly approach it. It's kind of magical or mysterious, often these whole other created scenes of what was previously just my backyard but is now a perfectly lucid construct of some kind sneak up on me, it seems to be a simple act of being particularly open, in the present, to anything. Leary said we should stay in a "chaotic, open-minded, vulnerable state in order to inform ourselves about what reality is."

McKenna said "if you do not perturb consciousness, it gives a reflective mirror image of what reality actually is." It may be that occasionally I just get my mind unperturbed and then glance around and voila something new. This would suggest meditation is great; the more still your mind is in general the better the image of reality you will receive.

But still here I do not really explain to myself how for instance I was driving down the road the other day and it was all just a big trip, I even looked like I was tripping in the rear view mirror.

It seems to be a kind of magic, the universe may operate upon it.

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    #18821827 - 09/10/13 02:28 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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    #18821962 - 09/10/13 03:31 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

:lol:

I enjoy Circastes' rants.

Too many people round here deny the "magical" element of life (myself included)

I couldn't rant like him because I just don't know..And I don't think you know either Circastes but I enjoy your rhetoric in attempting to explain the unexplainable :cheers:


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    #18822022 - 09/10/13 04:28 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

You can talk to the visual code you see manifesting.


Over the past year I've slowly developed the ability to 'surf' the psychonautical waters by sending thought-signals to the pattern. Within the pattern is the ability to pull yourself into particular states of being.


What you must realise is that the entire thing is a psychedelic trip from beginning to end. Just like psychedelics when you first start taking them, it's as if you are just being battered around by the waves but then over time you may come to understand that the ripples that little you sends out moment by moment, these are what themselves create the huge waves that sweep you. Over time learn to slow down the mind so you can get more fine-grained and subtler ripples sent out and there you will find all the magic of reality firmly embedded in geometry itself, all you need is a good knowledge of geometry and I don't mean the "here's a cube, this is a triangle" type thinking but the geometry of emotion, energy-motion. At the most subtle levels it does come down to cubes'n'triangles but let's begin with an understanding of ourselves as both the Big Bang and this 3D emanation which is the surface/front of the cosmic explosion, of which the body is a part.


The body is a pixel on a 2D canvas, the 2D canvas (edge of the observable universe) itself is represented as the 3D hologram you see. Learning how the 2+1D canvas moves and generates the 3+1D hologram, that is to say learning how time passes in the 3+1D by a time-mediated response to a timeless decision (Nature/the Past) in the 2+1D mind-flow will unlock the entire 'magic' of reality, it is all science. Everything is holographic and when you realise that a fly contains your entire life from beginning to end in each and every single one of its particles, and you contain the life of the fly, and you both contain the entire universe and the lives and happenings of all therein, that is the beginning of coming out of the mundanity matrix, of bullshit, assholes, morons and drudgery and needless pain. Reality is truly magical and you do not need an overseer on your own plantation, they themselves are the rebels as we are the Divine Self.


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    #18822109 - 09/10/13 06:00 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I don't really know but I'm getting some good results from whatever my brain is doing. It's good fun!


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    #18822187 - 09/10/13 06:41 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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If you're not onto it already you should really pay attention to the fact that your mind is co-creating reality. It's makes life vastly more interesting. You appear to go into "worlds" where no one has been.





I remember walking around and meditating with some of my friends and I entered this intense depersonalised kind of DMT trip state brought on entirely by the conversational flow. I came out of it as soon as I went in, a little while later. The difference between that level and "sober" was incredible, like being on an entirely different planet altogether which happened to look the same.



It feels like in those states you could affect a tiny little change in your Self or the environment and that would significantly change your future if done correctly. For instance after that particular day I later had another day where I was looking for acid and just as all hope seemed to disappear, a faint glimmer within said "one more try, this time you WILL get it, if you do not try now, you won't but if you do, you WILL" with a sense of urgency, and so I did and ended up racing as hard as I could to get to the guy who gave the impression of being time-critical and it ended up being one of the most intense and life-altering trips I've ever had, did I mention this was a single tab :lol:


Then I saw from that how I could be sitting in a little box and if somehow I knew how to, just by breathing you could alter the entire universe. But as for the meaning of it, an atheist would say that there is no way to tell or it's co-incidental but from the point of unitary consciousness it's all Self-created.


Magic is a way of telling your Self you deserve something which you once told your Self you did not, but that alone would only point to one half of what Magic truly is


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    #18822233 - 09/10/13 07:06 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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The state where everything has deep spiritual meaning below the surface. I remember thinking that what happens in this 3D world is just ripples caused by what is going on in the spiritual world, and that the pain and suffering we feel here (the illusory 3D world), has its source in the spiritual world (the real world) and thinking about how sad it was that everyone is deluded into thinking the source of their pain can be comprehended with the 3D mind and at the same time how awesome it is that this pain is the very thing that ultimately forces us to drop all the pettiness and surface bullshit and see what we are underneath: psychonautical warriors. These experiences were years ago, but I can't shake the feeling that I may have been seeing the truth. Maybe I've been like an ostriche with its head in the sand, and its time to wake the fuck up and remember I'm not confined to this 3D reality thing. Or maybe there is no reality. Maybe we simply exist in the reality, on which frequency we resonate.




I think you are on to some things, CrimpJiggler.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causal_plane


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    #18822319 - 09/10/13 07:48 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Everything is holographic and when you realise that a fly contains your entire life from beginning to end in each and every single one of its particles, and you contain the life of the fly, and you both contain the entire universe and the lives and happenings of all therein, that is the beginning of coming out of the mundanity matrix, of bullshit, assholes, morons and drudgery and needless pain. Reality is truly magical and you do not need an overseer on your own plantation, they themselves are the rebels as we are the Divine Self.




This is very cool. This is kinda like the organism theory, the idea that everything micro and macrocosmically  is an organism, a reflection of something else. You take this a step farther and say that every particle is an universe. Could you explain this idea a bit more? If you keep writing I will keep reading.


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    #18822328 - 09/10/13 07:51 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I remember when I was psychotic due to not having enough B6 vitamin in my body. It happened year ago.
It was absolute hell, a loophole into darkness. Then I tried to meditate, I sat and couldn't concentrate, then I started thinking about Mooji.
I used to listen to him a lot and get relief before. Then as I began to go deeper into meditation I saw Mooji's face everywhere coming from lotus flower. I felt so blissful and happy at time that I just began to laugh hysterically.
Then my mom came into the room and asked what's up? And I just said basically how stupid I feel. I was laughing non stop for like 30 minutes.
Then in the evening things got worse and I ended up in a ward. But I'm feeling really healthy and positive now.

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Cool Aphex Twin song, I've never heard it before. Very trippy.


There is one song that was, is and always will be my psychosis and that is this:






Really cool song:smile:


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    #18834250 - 09/12/13 08:36 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Vitamin b6 deficiency? Caused your psychosis you say?
I have never heard of that. Can you please talk more about it? I mean... how to you know know it was vitamins?
Was there no deficiency of sleep or excess stress or drugs involved?

Also If you like that song I would recommend Portugal. The Man's whole "In The Mountain In The Cloud"album. Look up "Floating" or "Sleep Forever".


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    #18835410 - 09/13/13 01:49 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Thanks:smile: I really dig that band.

How it all happened:

At the time I tried to be vegan, but my mom was against it so I didn't eat enough vegetables and didn't touch meat at all.
It was during 6 months that I tried to be vegan. Then I got into conflict with my coworkers and it was final blow to my psyche.
After the conflict I didn't sleep for two days. Meanwhile I tried to meditate, but changes from meditation were temporary.
So I got transported into the ward and they took sample from my backbone and found out that I had very little B6 vitamin.
Then I got injected around 500 ml of B6 in my body for about 7 days and they also fed me olanzapine.
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    #18846282 - 09/15/13 08:50 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

That is wild man. Why did you go vegan instead of vegetarian?

I do not like factory animal farming but it is just so much easier to get enough calories if you eat animal proteins. And another thing to consider is industrial plant farming. Cutting down rain forest for corn, banana and sugar cane fields. Manically evil Monsanto and its roundup and terminator seeds. Aquifer in Kansas running dry. Almost complete depletion of world phosphorous reserves. What used to arable farmland turning into desert in China, Africa, the mid-west USA  and South America. Fucking preservatives.

So I honestly think that unless you are rich and get your food from fair trade, organic and/or local sources you are not much better off then anyone else as a vegan.(IMO)

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    #18847088 - 09/15/13 11:53 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I thought vegan and vegetarian are same. I was vegetarian not vegan.

Yeah, I don't like factory farming either, it makes me sad to think about it.

I'm doing good, thanks for asking. Thinking about moving out of country now because it's hard to set up own life here.
Probably will go somewhere to Scandinavia if possibility will be open.

Just listened to their song 'Feels Like We Only Go Backwards'. Really nice psychedelic rock :smile:

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    #18848225 - 09/16/13 09:26 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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I thought vegan and vegetarian are same. I was vegetarian not vegan.

Yeah, I don't like factory farming either, it makes me sad to think about it.

I'm doing good, thanks for asking. Thinking about moving out of country now because it's hard to set up own life here.
Probably will go somewhere to Scandinavia if possibility will be open.

Just listened to their song 'Feels Like We Only Go Backwards'. Really nice psychedelic rock :smile:

How are you doing?




Where in Scandinavia are you thinking. I can dig moving away, I really want to spend at least a few years living in the jungles of South and Central America.

I am actually doing really well right now. If had to quantify my mood I'd say I am on a solid cloud seven. I was on this drug ziprasidone and I  was having a lot of side effects. It sucked. Brain shivers, restlessness, anxiety, tardive diskinesia and  nausea to name a few. So I switched to abilify and had a very rough few weeks where all my side-effects got worse (ziprasidone is weird because the side-effects get worse lower the dose is) and a lot of depression came to the surface. Now I am feeling great and have no noticeable side effects from the abilify. It kinda sucks having to eat pills every day but it is only going to be another year or two at most and then I will be off meds completely.

Tame Impala is great I just discovered them the other day.


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this post is quite interesting
i don't know if it's a result of my own psychosis and delusions too...BUT

just moments ago I was actually thinking about how shitty my DXM-induced hppd symptoms and visual snow are and how I might be displaying symptoms of early-onset schizophrenia, and also how it may be connected to my modern shamanism....i.e. Those into psychedelics THROUGHOUT history are essentially human beings who desire to stare into the void, and thos of us who are doin psychs now are techno-shamans if you will




Your HPPD doesn't have to turn into psychosis. HPPD isn't considered a psychosis because the person with the condition doesn't believe that the visual problems they are seeing are real. When I still my mind and let my HPPD come to the surface I see the ground breathe in and out as it does when you take shrooms. If I where to believe that I have super powers and are  more enlightened than other people so I can see mother earth breathing... that would be psychosis. If I were to come to the conclusion that the brain can only be conscious of a few things at a time and it normally fills in the blanks and creates a smooth 3D image but my brain from eating shrooms is conscious of these discrepancies and they manifest in my vision as movement, among other things.

See what I did there?

Psychosis is all about the thought process,

I am going to disagree with the idea that those who use psychedelics are techno shamans. I am the only person I have ever met in the real world that takes drugs(mushrooms for instance) to connect with the spiritual. most people only use to get fucked up and that makes me kinda disappointed.  Maria Sabina said that after the white man found out about psilocybin mushrooms she lost her connection with the gods and the ancestor spirits. Psychedelics IMO should not be used for fun, they should be used for healing, inspiration, or to develop a connections with other spirits be they material or immaterial, humble yourself by staring into the void. Or to find God, if you into that. That being said, there is no way to avoid how much fun they are.

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I would actuallx recommend listening to Aphex Twin's Selected Ambient Works 2 (the whole things on youtube), while under the influence of some mind-altering substance. I contacted astral alienss on a 4th plateau dex trip once, while listening to that album....more like allowing the vibrations called "sound" enter my ear drums, etc. ,etc.


I hope the above madeany kinda sense.



What is the "4th plateau"? I've never robotripped before I was more into psilocybin.

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edit: I'm also currently doing my first sleep-deprivation experience/experiment because I'm getting clean of all substances (including nicotine and caffeine), and feel like experiencing some sort of high,
I'm about 27  hours in, and hearing my name being called through a tiny wire which pierces my pineal gland from right to left




Take it from someone who has done a 120+ no sleep cycle, sleep deprivation is fucking stupid. It is right up there with anorexia, bulimia and huffing fucking solvents as the worst things you can do to your brain. The brain needs sleep; the computer needs to reboot. Be careful man.


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    #18852093 - 09/17/13 12:37 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Where in Scandinavia are you thinking. I can dig moving away, I really want to spend at least a few years living in the jungles of South and Central America.

I am actually doing really well right now. If had to quantify my mood I'd say I am on a solid cloud seven. I was on this drug ziprasidone and I  was having a lot of side effects. It sucked. Brain shivers, restlessness, anxiety, tardive diskinesia and  nausea to name a few. So I switched to abilify and had a very rough few weeks where all my side-effects got worse (ziprasidone is weird because the side-effects get worse lower the dose is) and a lot of depression came to the surface. Now I am feeling great and have no noticeable side effects from the abilify. It kinda sucks having to eat pills every day but it is only going to be another year or two at most and then I will be off meds completely.

Tame Impala is great I just discovered them the other day.




I really would like to go to any Scandinavian country, they are all nice.
It sucks indeed to take pills everyday. I take olanzapine, but soon I'll be off from it.

Do you want to participate in Ayahuasca ceremonies in the jungles also?


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    #18854011 - 09/17/13 03:16 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Tame Impala!

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    #18854921 - 09/17/13 06:49 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

If I went to Loreto which is Peru's rainforest territory I would probably not be able to go with your normal, westerner ayahuasca retreat in Iquitos because of my history with mental illness. Most reputable ayahuasca retreats do not let people with schizophrenia or bipolar to partake. I would feel bad lying about my psychosis with people who are supposed to be my guides... And the not reputable ones would leave me stranded in the jungle if things got tough.

I wouldn't live in Iquitos though, I would go deep into the jungle and live with the natives. The difference between the ayahuasqueros, the modern day shamans and ayahuasqueros of the jungles, the legit native medicine men is immense. The people who call themselves shamans or techo-shamans take drugs find some meaning then come back to "reality" and are normal again. The legit medicine men living like their ancestors did, would be labeled schizophrenic or bipolar or schizo-affective bipolar(like me!) but they live every day in a completely different world, filled with spirits, animals, ancient trees and elusive herbs and fungi. More then anything, I want to learn form these people and help them preserve their way of life from the twin juggernauts of civilization and progress. So I am going to study forestry.

The biggest problem is that a Canadian man would not be welcome by the native people. Canadian mining companies are raping that region of the Amazon rainforest as we speak and the natives are fighting back. It could turn into a civil war. The people living at the headwaters of the Amazon fought the Incas for centuries and they fought the Spanish.

Also there is a lot of cocaine that is produced there (more than Columbia) so it can be a very, very rough place.

I would very much like to live in Peru, but first I think I will make a name for myself in Ecuador. Ecuador is the coolest place on earth. Did you know that it is the only place on earth where the environment has a right to evolve? I am completely serious.

So yes I plan on taking part of ayahuasca ritual but I will wait until the time is right.

I love Canada but I dream of the jungle.

I don't know much about Scandinavia to be honest but I know Norway has been using very progressive forestry practices to keep their awesome forests intact since the 1800s. I bet the people there are chill.

Do you speak the language? I sure as hell need to learn Spanish.



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    #18856659 - 09/18/13 03:21 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Cool. I want to participate in one of Ayahuasca ceremonies too.
Would love to move and live in nature sometimes in the future too:smile:
I don't really speak any of Scandinavian languages, but english is pretty common there I heard.
Norway is costy country to live in, but you can make good amount of money there too.


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    #18857035 - 09/18/13 08:15 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Cool. I want to participate in one of Ayahuasca ceremonies too.
Would love to move and live in nature sometimes in the future too:)
I don't really speak any of Scandinavian languages, but english is pretty common there I heard.
Norway is costy country to live in, but you can make good amount of money there too.




Id say go for it.
You only got one life to live, might as well do something awesome.
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    #18862051 - 09/19/13 09:04 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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    #18959171 - 10/10/13 12:28 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I had my first 2 ayahuasca ceremonies last week. Did it with the Santo Daime church. I struggled quite a bit, but it changed me for the better in subtle ways. Had to go to another country since theres no church nearby, so I'm probably going to start drinking by myself once a month or so, and attend SD ceremonies whenever I can afford to take a trip abroad.

Psilopsychosis: They say they're weary of people with a history of psychosis, but I'm sure if you got to know them, they would let you attend the ceremonies, and there you will be surrounded by genuinely good people who will look out for you, and offer assistance if you are struggling. If psilocybe mushrooms aren't a problem for you, then I don't see why ayahuasca would be.


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    #18960345 - 10/10/13 04:47 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I've stayed up too long on meth and smoked cannabis a few times, and this has sends me into a full blown psychotic episode. I'm prone to cannabis induced psychosis as it is, so the combination of the meth induced sleep deprivation and the cannabis really sends me off my rockers. They have been the scariest experiences of my life hands down, but also some of the most spiritually awakening experiences. I would be getting terrorized by hallucinations for hours on end, and eventually I'd just accept defeat and surrender. It was only years later that I started to understand the spiritual implications of all this. It wasn't me that was being assaulted by the hallucinations, it was my ego. Wasn't me that was struggling to survive, it was my ego.

I remember listening to this song during and after one of the experiences:

hearing it again brings back all the bizarre, alien emotions that came with that state. Its like that tune was made to be listened to in the psychotic state. The state where everything has deep spiritual meaning below the surface. I remember thinking that what happens in this 3D world is just ripples caused by what is going on in the spiritual world, and that the pain and suffering we feel here (the illusory 3D world), has its source in the spiritual world (the real world) and thinking about how sad it was that everyone is deluded into thinking the source of their pain can be comprehended with the 3D mind and at the same time how awesome it is that this pain is the very thing that ultimately forces us to drop all the pettiness and surface bullshit and see what we are underneath: psychonautical warriors. These experiences were years ago, but I can't shake the feeling that I may have been seeing the truth. Maybe I've been like an ostriche with its head in the sand, and its time to wake the fuck up and remember I'm not confined to this 3D reality thing. Or maybe there is no reality. Maybe we simply exist in the reality, on which frequency we resonate.




I have experienced sleep deprivation/stimulant/cannabis induced psychosis quite a few times, and I too found myself wondering if my hallucinations of different entities were caused by greater perception. I even tried researching how sleep dep worked while in psychosis to see if sleep deprivation was really allowing me to see things that I'm normally blind to.

Then I came out of psychosis and remembered that I don't have enough short-term memory to finish simple sentences while in such a state.

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Re: Schizophrenia and spirituality [Re: Memories]
    #18960750 - 10/10/13 06:20 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Psychosis might be 'other aspects of reality' coming to light but it's not exactly likely given that the mental life is completely fragmented and the ego-self is collapsing, that is, you're scared shitless with no hope and you have no strength to fight it, it undermines the very you that's you.

It seems fact to me that there is more to reality than the everyday, far, far more, in fact, I would wager it's full to the brim with some kind of unexplored meaningfulness. Your brain can tune into different frequencies of it. I swear by this. But schizophrenia has nothing to do with it, it also has nothing to do with LSD or mushroom experiences. It's just some evil fucking brain degeneration that makes you eat shit for as long as it persists.


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Re: Schizophrenia and spirituality [Re: circastes]
    #18963453 - 10/11/13 11:10 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Interesting.  I was diagnosed after being hospitalized after a high dose mushroom trip.  Its like my subconscious spilled into my waking state after a 'key to a door' and I was flooded with content that I don't think was mine.  Or there is truly an 'underworld' in the realms of consciousness (and aliens or at least Etherians.)  There violent/disturbing thoughts have their manifestation into mind.  Direct Mind Control exists all the sudden.  And heavy trance states. 

I experienced Death and the smell of death, mass suicides, and mass graves.  I also had the memory upon awakening that I was taken somewhere in the middle of the night or in THE DREAMTIME and put through some test as a point of light.  And over night its like my mind was lifted from my head and collected by something that assembles 'them' all.  I had no concept that I even had a job to go to.  The world changed over night and I AWOKE to EVIL.  The WORLD seemed completely inhabited by demons and I met them. 

I don't think I've fully integrated all that because the anti-psychotics that I've been on seem like they specifically target the timeline that makes up all the memory to the story.

I think the criteria that is used to 'diagnose' just happens to include REAL elements of what one might expect when approaching and confronting the SPIRIT WORLD and deeper elements of the psyche.  Even other's content from their minds and vibes.  ...Which almost all will argue for proof.  Very real none the less.:heart:

How do you go about determining what schizophrenia actually is when the decided on facts are mind control by way of etherians?  (by me)  What is called schizophrenia is a broad range of 'symptoms' and some of them very well could be the result of something like prolonged meditation techniques.  ...actual contact with the divine or other realms of consciousness.  And beings.


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Re: Schizophrenia and spirituality [Re: FishOilTheKid]
    #18963563 - 10/11/13 11:39 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

indeed schizophrenia is probably a result of what was once subconscious becoming conscious (which is in a way the goal of spiritual development). and a 'fracturing' of identity takes place...in the past maybe you moved according to certain energies because you had yet to meet them face to face, but once you do they are revealed.

the catch, imo, is that as you had been living under these energies for the longest time, all that mental poo gets released and you are left to deal with it on your own.

schizophrenia is just a fancy pants medical term...it really reminds me of 'hysteria'...it's not a very compassionate term...

but hey, if it's happening in the mind i dont think one must take it too seriously. as long as you are centered, no thought or phenomenon can harm you...so no worries, hakuna matata hahaha :cool:


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Re: Schizophrenia and spirituality [Re: g00ru]
    #18966344 - 10/11/13 11:20 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Just take 30mg Abilify for 3 months then drop it cold turkey. That experience is what I call schizophrenia. All the other cool stuff like demons, other worlds, other realities, potentials of the psyche manifesting, that's just the dynamics of your brain/psyche and reflective of the complexity and beauty of it... I don't think of that as a schizophrenic chemical imbalance, it may not even be pathological, it may be meaningful.


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    #18966743 - 10/12/13 01:51 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Interesting.  I was diagnosed after being hospitalized after a high dose mushroom trip.  Its like my subconscious spilled into my waking state after a 'key to a door' and I was flooded with content that I don't think was mine.  Or there is truly an 'underworld' in the realms of consciousness (and aliens or at least Etherians.)  There violent/disturbing thoughts have their manifestation into mind.  Direct Mind Control exists all the sudden.  And heavy trance states. 

I experienced Death and the smell of death, mass suicides, and mass graves.  I also had the memory upon awakening that I was taken somewhere in the middle of the night or in THE DREAMTIME and put through some test as a point of light.  And over night its like my mind was lifted from my head and collected by something that assembles 'them' all.  I had no concept that I even had a job to go to.  The world changed over night and I AWOKE to EVIL.  The WORLD seemed completely inhabited by demons and I met them. 

I don't think I've fully integrated all that because the anti-psychotics that I've been on seem like they specifically target the timeline that makes up all the memory to the story.

I think the criteria that is used to 'diagnose' just happens to include REAL elements of what one might expect when approaching and confronting the SPIRIT WORLD and deeper elements of the psyche.  Even other's content from their minds and vibes.  ...Which almost all will argue for proof.  Very real none the less.:heart:

How do you go about determining what schizophrenia actually is when the decided on facts are mind control by way of etherians?  (by me)  What is called schizophrenia is a broad range of 'symptoms' and some of them very well could be the result of something like prolonged meditation techniques.  ...actual contact with the divine or other realms of consciousness.  And beings.





Dood! I always enjoy reading your posts on this subject.  :feelsweirdman::thumbup:


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Re: Schizophrenia and spirituality [Re: Icelander]
    #18968078 - 10/12/13 12:11 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Thanks!:thumbup:  I just got a referral for ECT so that's going to happen soon.  They are fucking burrowed into my skin and muscles.  And, there is one that is like a dense sphere right in the back of my head that holds me in emotional trances.  FUCKING EVIL SPIRITS  I'm hoping that I can destroy them with electricity.  I'm hoping for the best.  We'll see.

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I don't think of that as a schizophrenic chemical imbalance, it may not even be pathological, it may be meaningful.




I like the term shamanic illness how Stan Grof uses it.  We are indeed IMO/E 'called' into/from a new world of spirit/energy.  ...Another world that exists just beyond ordinary perception.  A head first dive into the 'unknown' can bring on all kinds of content and with it Truth and delusion.

As far as the quest for truth...  I view what I went through as an initiation of sorts into another mode of being.  ...Of being with 'them.'  Of being controlled in certain obvious ways.  Of watching what is invisible to the ordinary man IME and hearing it.


One problem:  They speak in plain human voices despite their chosen emotions.  This is a symptom of schizophrenia.  How the hell do I prove the existence of these beings to anyone so that this is not schizophrenia but contact?

How would one go about recording a stimulus that is psychic noise but not sound waves?

I 'fell from heaven' as soon as I got there.  Same place/different fucking place!  (for lack of better terms)


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    #18968369 - 10/12/13 01:44 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

How do you know it's not just areas of the brain involved in speech/listening being flooded with dopamine?


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    #18969680 - 10/12/13 07:56 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Because they feel like marbles that swell and contract.  I can pop them.  They project imagery into my mind.  Each one vibrates when it talks.  I've seen them fly out of my body as flashes of light and silvery balls of light.  They keep trying to move various parts of my body to see if they can gain control of me physically.


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    #18970177 - 10/12/13 10:10 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

That's intense shit! My brother has a similar case of it... the voices or personalities steal his thoughts and sometimes almost make him say things.

For me it's just the positive symptoms of persecutory delusions, thank God. Amotivation and anhedonia in there too.

It's a spectrum. If I smoked 40 cones I would be right there with you. (for some reason cannabis is my cause)


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the voices or personalities steal his thoughts and sometimes almost make him say things.




They are puppet masters.  There was this little girl that was in the top of my head, at least what sounded like a little girl...  Upon awakening she would scream, 'you're not allowed to dream!'  ...Because they claimed that we were having collective dreams.  And I was being taught and given messages in the dreams.  The dreams felt like paradise and more real than real.

Since they are like a dense energy sphere that can fly they can create a suction somehow too...  She would siphon the thoughts right out of my head when attempting any dream recall.  It felt like a vacuum was vacuuming up particles.

I've learned that the brain can be installed with these things and also that it is like an invasion.

When I go into trance and mirror gaze I can see their faces superimposed over my face.  The language seems to be inspired from beyond the grave.  And the imagery is inhuman not 'classic ET.'  And its all very 'nothing biblical' accept for some of these beings masquerading as Jesus using classic Christ faces to scare people into belief and judgment.  For some reason when they 'have the belief' we are easier to control.  Like you make a psychic connection by conceding a point.  And when you gain belief you attract all this.

There was this group.  They called themselves separation experts.  During the coarse of conversation they would run another conversation of 'flips' - like when 'car' was said by a person 'truck' would be said by an entity, etc.  This would go on for as long as the 'real people' were talking and me the experiencer would start to slip off of reality and feel like I was losing my mind.  Its like we all feed off of each other and give and take but they were literally breaking my connection to the source using words.  It feels like you are dieing and running out of energy, literally.


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    #18971472 - 10/13/13 09:26 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

FishOilTheKid: Have you done ayahuasca before? If I were you, I'd try get in contact with an Amazonian shaman at some point in the future, when I could afford it. I know thats a lot easier said than done though, especially if you have issues like that which must make it really hard to organise/plan things and make money.

An alternative method would be to figure out when a Shipibo shaman will be visiting a place near you. They occasionally visit Holland to perform aya ceremonies. I'm sure if you get in contact with a Santo Daime church, some of the people there can put you in contact with a shaman.


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    #18971478 - 10/13/13 09:27 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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    #18971642 - 10/13/13 10:18 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I've stayed up too long on meth and smoked cannabis a few times, and this has sends me into a full blown psychotic episode. I'm prone to cannabis induced psychosis as it is, so the combination of the meth induced sleep deprivation and the cannabis really sends me off my rockers. They have been the scariest experiences of my life hands down, but also some of the most spiritually awakening experiences. I would be getting terrorized by hallucinations for hours on end, and eventually I'd just accept defeat and surrender. It was only years later that I started to understand the spiritual implications of all this. It wasn't me that was being assaulted by the hallucinations, it was my ego. Wasn't me that was struggling to survive, it was my ego.

I remember listening to this song during and after one of the experiences:

hearing it again brings back all the bizarre, alien emotions that came with that state. Its like that tune was made to be listened to in the psychotic state. The state where everything has deep spiritual meaning below the surface. I remember thinking that what happens in this 3D world is just ripples caused by what is going on in the spiritual world, and that the pain and suffering we feel here (the illusory 3D world), has its source in the spiritual world (the real world) and thinking about how sad it was that everyone is deluded into thinking the source of their pain can be comprehended with the 3D mind and at the same time how awesome it is that this pain is the very thing that ultimately forces us to drop all the pettiness and surface bullshit and see what we are underneath: psychonautical warriors. These experiences were years ago, but I can't shake the feeling that I may have been seeing the truth. Maybe I've been like an ostriche with its head in the sand, and its time to wake the fuck up and remember I'm not confined to this 3D reality thing. Or maybe there is no reality. Maybe we simply exist in the reality, on which frequency we resonate.





So it sounds like you have experienced the state perhaps of witnessing which is an ability of the mind.  I experienced this extremely clearly when I was about 14 and bad tripping on acid. I had a few trips where I was 'possessed by the devil' and instead of the devil being some powerful evil personality he was instead weak as a dishrag and a scapegoat and the essence of all we wish to forget about ourselves.  As the night went on I divided into two, my delusory mind and my witnessing awareness. This experience, as horrific as it was, was an awakening for me.

But I have never understood this shagging the ego thing that people go on about. The ego is what gives us a sense of self. Without ego we would easily allow ourselves to fall into all sorts of harm.  I think people confuse the selfish id and ego and this is the fault of goop minded and uneducated spiritual teachers. 

Having had this witnessing experience I became convinced that how one works amongst the relative, conditional and changing circumstances was the more important of the two sides of the mind since the witnessing awareness doesn't change.  The ego can expand to include the unchanging mind. The ego is what we have made of it. The id is the grasping, selfish person inside us - which is also a survival mechanism of our persona.

The deepest Indic teachings do not eschew any aspect of ourselves.  I think if anyone looks deep into this notion of -be without the ego- they will find wolves in sheep's clothing who want to steal what their devotees have - sex, money, goods, status. Be without the ego, is great for a leader who themselves have no especially endearing qualities and who need a weaker following to maintain control. 

I think on Kalki Avatar that splat of diarrhea who has been on the lam ever since his fiasco in India regarding drugging his people and leaving them to wallow in inhuman conditions.

Everybody should beware of any teaching which demands you give anything up from the outset. A valid teaching will give you room, time, and materials to study and to make informed decisions, at your own pace.

Regarding schizophrenia and psychosis - the two things may overlap but they are different. Psychosis entails a amassing of dopamine and other brain chems in the brain and enhances audiovisual brain centers and experiences which may go in hand with additional motive force such that one cannot separate vision and hearing from action. That psychosis can be treated fairly simply. 

Thorazine - people think is a super powerful drug. Fact is Compazine which they give people for nausea is actually ten times stronger. Thorazine has little effect on people who do not have over-brainchem-activity.

Schizophrenia is a compartmentalization of the psyche whereby one is fractured into various personas which do not simultaneously coexist, usually as the result of some trauma. It isn't necessarily treated with antipsychotics, nor is it always treatable at all.

The witnessing state of certain Eastern teachings, mainly yoga teachings, exist where the mind and witnessing are simultaneous.  Schizophrenia mind states are not simultaneous.  The sense sometimes of being separate or watching the mind unravel within is not schizophrenia.

I don't think anyone can deny that people who spend more time within their minds may make more spiritual discoveries than those people who spend more time in their bodies or in material or extraverted pursuits.

I think for all people they should look through the whole buffet of spiritual teachings and choose something which works with their appetite. Rather than being force-fed something which may make them ill later. And spiritual teaching do make people ill. The state of the world today, with constant war is an illness much of which is directly due to sickening spiritual teachings.

It's good to know that some teachings can be bad for you and that you aren't forced or required in life to struggle with your electives but rather the choice to pursue a teaching is yours. 

I was forced to acknowledge the state of witnessing and some visual phenomena and it took me thirty years to integrate my understanding with life.  I cannot say I am a functional person. I have quit over 60 jobs in my lifetime most often telling the boss to fuck off or some derivative and in much more discrete and vital terms.


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Re: Schizophrenia and spirituality [Re: eve69]
    #18971680 - 10/13/13 10:30 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I cannot say I am a functional person. I have quit over 60 jobs in my lifetime most often telling the boss to fuck off or some derivative and in much more discrete and vital terms.

This actually sounds highly functional in part.


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    #18971769 - 10/13/13 11:02 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I haven't but I'm interested.  Scared too of what might happen.

Yes.  I've thought about it in the past.  I want to meet someone who can see them and communicate with them.


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    #18971938 - 10/13/13 11:54 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

marijuana is an excellent tool for dealing with psychic phenomena :sun: as long as you are taking it as an encouragement of meditation and not as an escape from it...

you know its hard to tell whats in your imagination sometimes because the fact is, the mind can create it's own problems like that sometimes. especially when multiple people are in a tenuous agreement about it.

that's why quiet mind is good mind because then you can know for sure if a mental object arose completely unexpectedly or if you are just rampantly imagining/thinking out of control


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Try talking to other beings. Like Angels, Pleiadians, Arcturians. These are 5th dimensional consciousnesses existing outside of our 4d dimensional reality. They can usually help and they are incredibly sympathetic to stuff like this. Usually its all about love. What I like to do is imagine a being of light hugging me, then we communicate through our heart/throat/third eye chakras.


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    #18972349 - 10/13/13 02:19 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Schizophrenia is a compartmentalization of the psyche whereby one is fractured into various personas which do not simultaneously coexist, usually as the result of some trauma. It isn't necessarily treated with antipsychotics, nor is it always treatable at all.




This describes Multiple Personality disorder more than schizophrenia, IMO.

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Try talking to other beings. Like Angels, Pleiadians, Arcturians. These are 5th dimensional consciousnesses existing outside of our 4d dimensional reality. They can usually help and they are incredibly sympathetic to stuff like this. Usually its all about love. What I like to do is imagine a being of light hugging me, then we communicate through our heart/throat/third eye chakras.




Not all entities are loving, or even capable of fitting into our human concepts of "good", "bad", "loving", etcetera.  Here there be dragons.  :rocket:


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Sounds like you've made it.  :thumbup:


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Try talking to other beings. Like Angels, Pleiadians, Arcturians. These are 5th dimensional consciousnesses existing outside of our 4d dimensional reality. They can usually help and they are incredibly sympathetic to stuff like this. Usually its all about love. What I like to do is imagine a being of light hugging me, then we communicate through our heart/throat/third eye chakras.





I don't know how to establish contact with anything else or even have a conversation with 'them...'  These say they are angels and Baphomets.

There is this female, I've been told she's my guardian angel, I call her Junee Junes and she was named Jasmine.  She's nasty and condescending most of the time.  What she does perfectly is read my mind.  If I have anything to say...  Most of the time she will mirror my words with her own line of dialog straight from my mind almost before I can think it.  So she will say the exact same thing as I'm thinking it or saying it to neutralize any further discussion.  She thinks she 'wins' like this.  I can rarely get a point across.  But FUCK, she came to me with a thousand questions and I answered them all.  They treat us like livestock or something.

I've talked to a few people about this.  One lady said that I am repaying some karmic debt and that in a past life I was a gateway for spirits.  I was like, 'no, no, no...  IN THIS LIFE!'

I have faith that there are various beings and varying intelligences 'out there/right here.'  I met groups and groups of them and they all wanted obedience.  THEY WANTED AN 'AGENT OF CHANGE.'  I just don't know how to win their acceptance and help or even consideration anymore cause I didn't do what they wanted from the start.

Their big thing was, 'DON'T BE E-goic!  BE e-GO-ic!'  Confusing on purpose.  NLP.  The spins.

I thought I could just call them schizophrenia and deal with it that way so I disrespected them.

Now what?

I wish I wouldn't have talked.  There was something secret going on...  'Sex Magicians.'  Now we are under judgement by these prudes who think being turned on is uncomfortable and wrong.  In reality its necessary as sort of a vampirism when the oneness takes effect physically.  Sex heals.  Being tethered into a system that harvests 'the human element' is hell.  Salvation can be had at penetration or just imagining penetration...  By feeding off of the genitals.

That's what was going on.  Then its like I told on them.  They have free will.  And the angels want to force us to be 'christian enough' but offer nothing resembling christ.

Its like the 'kids' are in heaven and you have to lie to them.  Trick em.  Over and over.  Its sad.  But I think that's how free will was won by mankind.  A good trick to escape their control.

Anyway...  How do I break out of their plane and rid myself of their influence?


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Re: Schizophrenia and spirituality [Re: FishOilTheKid]
    #18975699 - 10/14/13 08:33 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

This is where I check out of this topic. See yas.

But I would like to say that spirituality is like the belly, and these apparitions are like food. They are related but not the same thing.


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    #18977635 - 10/14/13 05:38 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Just say: GET THE FUCK OUT OF MY HEAD FUCKING BULLSHIT SPIRITS!!!

Its the magic words man. Im serious. It will make them silent for a while then ignore and give absolutely no attention to them. It isn't easy but it has worked for me in the past. I don't hear voices but I know what it is like to have your thoughts invaded by spirits. It sounds like you have a case of astral parasites. You need to stop feeding them energy by giving them attention.

Banish the shit out of them dude. They are not welcome in your mind. If you want more details just ask.

First step though is to poor all your will into a simple banishing statement. Don't call them by the name they gave you just call them something insulting.

Once done say I love you to... Well whatever you want really. You are right about churches stealing people's energy but belief can also help people in dark places. I pray to the great mystery or the universe. It doesn't have to be more complicated that man. If that is hard to put faith in, mother earth will always send you positive energy if you love and respect her back. So I recomend you do the ritual outside. Don't worry about moon phases or astrological bullshit, just find a nice spot. Don't lie down or kneel. Power stance. Let the spirits come to the surface then give them hell.

Do it tomorrow if you can.

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Re: Schizophrenia and spirituality [Re: Psilopsychosis]
    #18977715 - 10/14/13 06:06 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I'M AFRAID OF WHAT THEY CAN DISH OUT.  They cause real pain and it feels like they are ripping apart my brain and pulling on my bone structure.

You are right they are astral parasites.  Some of them.

I've already been cooked in a fire of anxiety and hell.  Both energy and imagery.

I thought I might die at one point.  And they were there the whole time, 'KILL YOURSELF, PUSSY.'


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If you want more details just ask.




I DO.  Do you have more details?  I mean I'm fucking resorting to ECT because I think it will warn them at least.

Just telling them off doesn't work.  It comes back on me a thousand fold.


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    #18977765 - 10/14/13 06:17 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

yeah man, staying up too long during a speed binge can be pretty scary, What i thought was pure coke was cut with meth. I thought my friend was trying to kill me and i saw cop cars everywhere, that shit is bad news.


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    #18984508 - 10/16/13 01:28 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I'M AFRAID OF WHAT THEY CAN DISH OUT.  They cause real pain and it feels like they are ripping apart my brain and pulling on my bone structure.

You are right they are astral parasites.  Some of them.

I've already been cooked in a fire of anxiety and hell.  Both energy and imagery.

I thought I might die at one point.  And they were there the whole time, 'KILL YOURSELF, PUSSY.'


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If you want more details just ask.




I DO.  Do you have more details?  I mean I'm fucking resorting to ECT because I think it will warn them at least.

Just telling them off doesn't work.  It comes back on me a thousand fold.




The voices I was hearing said stuff like that regularly. Never told me to kill myself, but they kept telling me to get out of the house and that I was about to die at any moment. The thing is though, they were mispronouncing words, in the exact same way I would of since I didn't know how these specific words were pronounced at the time. Thats clear evidence that it was either all in my head, or that these entities or whatever don't actually have any worldly knowledge, but instead just use whats in your head against you. I suppose the latter would be how astral parasites work, they're looking for a reaction so they probe various things inside your head and see what will cause the desired reaction.

Telling them off never works in my experience either. The only way to make them fade I found was to become completely equinimous and not react to anything they do or say. The same principle applies to sleep paralysis too. To learn how to do this, start practicing vipassana meditation.


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    #18984812 - 10/16/13 04:33 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Don't be afraid man. They thrive on lower vibrations. Fear, hate, guilt, regret, greed, envy all that sort of stuff. They are trying to bring you down to their level. A good first step is to try your hardest to vibrate higher level energy. Virtue, wisdom, love, generosity, and courage and self respect are vibrations they cannot exist on. It is hard to do but once you cultivate this way of being you fall into a groove that they cannot follow. You need to find that groove by trying your hardest to be the nicest,most coolest person you can.

These entities only have as much power as you can give them so don't be afraid.

The next step is to realize that they come from your subconscious not the external world. They are fragments of the thing that makes up your mind. Think of consciousness as a sort of organism. It is composed of many smaller cells or entities. If the organism is in harmony all of the cells do their part and become part of a whole. So these entities are out of harmony and that is why they can appear as individual beings.

Next realize that you are part of larger whole. The difference between the trees and and rocks of the forest and you is very little. We are cells of larger organism called Earth. The Earth is cell of a solar system, and the solar system is a cell of much larger galaxy. This galaxy is a cell of a universe. I believe that this universe is part of a organism that we can call God. Put your faith in that, that you are a part of God. Not the popular god of modern religion but a Great Mystery or a Way. It has no name. It has no form beyond what is already apparent with the senses. It needs no lofty image. A tree is a great symbol for it. Even better is the yin-yang. I hope this doesn't sound like dogma. These are the ideas that are curing me and I think it may help you.

Also realize that we are a part of God but we are also God experiencing the rest of objective universe subjectively. So everything we do is significant.

Love holds all these bonds together and hate breaks them apart. This is why you may feel like you are falling apart. Love is best received when given. Remember that. Love is the answer.

Do you need to know more about how I emptied my mind? I meditate on the void and thank existence. I asked them to leave and they left. I had lingering impulses to kill myself after but I challeneged them and ignored them and now I am alone in my head.


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Re: Schizophrenia and spirituality [Re: Psilopsychosis]
    #18984931 - 10/16/13 06:03 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

In Buddhism they use a term called 'reify' to suggest that things with no substance can be 'reified' or re-impressed within the mind until it comes to seem they have an objective quality.  Such as 'God.'  People get used to talking to a 'God' until they think they have defined a 'God' into something objective. But all the while the shape of that god is merely one they have self-suggested. 

The people here telling you this and that about weird celestial beings aren't doing you - The OP - any favors.  Whatever reality you experience with such things is of your own making.


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Re: Schizophrenia and spirituality [Re: Psilopsychosis]
    #18985506 - 10/16/13 10:29 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Don't be afraid man. They thrive on lower vibrations. Fear, hate, guilt, regret, greed, envy all that sort of stuff. They are trying to bring you down to their level. A good first step is to try your hardest to vibrate higher level energy. Virtue, wisdom, love, generosity, and courage and self respect are vibrations they cannot exist on. It is hard to do but once you cultivate this way of being you fall into a groove that they cannot follow. You need to find that groove by trying your hardest to be the nicest,most coolest person you can.

These entities only have as much power as you can give them so don't be afraid.

The next step is to realize that they come from your subconscious not the external world. They are fragments of the thing that makes up your mind. Think of consciousness as a sort of organism. It is composed of many smaller cells or entities. If the organism is in harmony all of the cells do their part and become part of a whole. So these entities are out of harmony and that is why they can appear as individual beings.

Next realize that you are part of larger whole. The difference between the trees and and rocks of the forest and you is very little. We are cells of larger organism called Earth. The Earth is cell of a solar system, and the solar system is a cell of much larger galaxy. This galaxy is a cell of a universe. I believe that this universe is part of a organism that we can call God. Put your faith in that, that you are a part of God. Not the popular god of modern religion but a Great Mystery or a Way. It has no name. It has no form beyond what is already apparent with the senses. It needs no lofty image. A tree is a great symbol for it. Even better is the yin-yang. I hope this doesn't sound like dogma. These are the ideas that are curing me and I think it may help you.

Also realize that we are a part of God but we are also God experiencing the rest of objective universe subjectively. So everything we do is significant.

Love holds all these bonds together and hate breaks them apart. This is why you may feel like you are falling apart. Love is best received when given. Remember that. Love is the answer.

Do you need to know more about how I emptied my mind? I meditate on the void and thank existence. I asked them to leave and they left. I had lingering impulses to kill myself after but I challeneged them and ignored them and now I am alone in my head.


Do you want a legit banishing ritual or what worked for me?





This is a magnificent description of it, and it shows you have cultivated a deep understanding of your own nature :smile:
The higher we raise our own vibration to one of acceptance, love, caringness, the higher we will naturally rest at. Our previous "best" becomes our new "worst" in terms of state of flow of living (you'll know what I mean). When we are caring, kind, gentle and forgiving, everything around us too is caring, kind, gentle, forgiving. It's a vibration that melts all manner of stress/dark energy around by its nature; the reason being that there is generally a sense of shame/loss/rejection behind every dark/negative/evil act on the perpetrator's side. Total acceptance and forgiveness shows to the being that it's OK to feel suffering and that there is a way out of it, and it shows to the forgiver/acceptor, the strength and light we carry within ourselves. A vibration that cannot be altered or petrurbed, the unstoppable force of compassion.


Compassion is God-mode. To express compassion is to express omnipotence. Simple!


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One evening as Shichiri Kojun was reciting sutras a thief with a sharp sword entered, demanding wither his money or his life.

Shichiri told him: "Do not disturb me. You can find the money in that drawer." Then he resumed his recitation.

A little while afterwards he stopped and called: "Don't take it all. I need some to pay taxes with tomorrow."

The intruder gathered up most of the money and started to leave. "Thank a person when you receive a gift," Shichiri added. The man thanked him and made off.

A few days afterwards the fellow was caught and confessed, among others, the offense against Shichiri. When Shichiri was called as a witness he said: "This man is no thief, at least as far as I am concerned. I gave him the money and he thanked me for it."

After he had finished his prison term, the man went to Shichiri and became his disciple.





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Re: Schizophrenia and spirituality [Re: Psilopsychosis]
    #18985599 - 10/16/13 10:55 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Really hard to balance all this while maintaining any sort of life with normal people.

Thanks for the replies all.


You know, I thought they were all 'my imagination...'  Like it had fractured into a multiple personality disorder that took on some sort of autonomy.  They were like dense orange/blue/green/red apparitions walking on the ground tethered to the sky asking me questions talking in plain english sort of flirtatious and big brother-ish-like.  But the situation has progressed to one of knowing where 'they' are on/in my body, if they are the same thing, because they feel like a dense marble in the muscle.  I can wrap my intent around them and squish them and pop them and actually hear a *crack* sound.  Sounds almost like eggshell.  Like cracking a hardboiled egg...

So they are some quality of mind that has a certain material presence to it.  A density to it.  Its very uncomfortable to have them inside my body.  Most notably they go up the base of my spine or back into the bigger muscles in my back and then up into my neck and head.  They feel like they swell up to the size of golf balls when they are in my head and it feels like cluster headaches.

Anyway I often feel coated with what feels like 'Dead' energy that they build inside and outside the body with.

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    #18985910 - 10/16/13 12:28 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I find that singing is usually the best banishment for me. Something that takes you out of your comfort zone. Maybe try singing your favorite song. This brings you out of a defensive and reactive state of consciousness into something where you are creating and in control. The more moving and emotional the song, the better. If you are creating it on the spot, then you can know that it is truly your own voice speaking which gives you power.


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    #18996226 - 10/18/13 03:53 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

yeah, the deeper you go into your dreams, fucking your reality fucking your dreams.
the lonelier it gets, you start making up other peoples existences in your own head to keep you company, you start becoming other people and stealing their bodies,

BUT
the best thing you can do is to start creating an imaginary friend, who is on the other side.
mine is a one eyed wolf called sandman. the dog god. who lives behind one of my eyes, after i lost it. so i can be a whole person. if you shoot a man in the heart or the head it does not matter, we all need something other than ourselves to keep going on.



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    #19040032 - 10/27/13 10:08 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I just found out that the Scottish rite freemasons have been funding research on schizophrenia since the 30's:
http://james.psych.umn.edu/scott_rite.html
The sneaky bastards, what are they up to?


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    #19273117 - 12/14/13 12:21 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Charity work I'd reckon.


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    #19273303 - 12/14/13 02:28 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

google searches:

"scottish rite foundation sandoz"
"Scottish rite LSD"
"scottish rite dmt"

some results:

Mass Control: Engineering Human Consciousness  By Jim Keith

The C.I.A. Doctors: Human Rights Violations by American Psychiatrists  By Colin A. Ross

"...as Colin Ross explained in The CIA Doctors, Dr. Winfred Overholser Sr. funded LSD research through the Scottish Rite Committee "

British psychiatry: from eugenics to assassination

"....A behavior control research project was begun in the 1950s, coordinated by the British psychological warfare unit called the Tavistock Institute, with the Scottish Rite Masons, the Central Intelligence Agency, and other British, U.S., Canadian, and United Nations agencies. The project became famous in the 1970s under a CIA code name, “MK-Ultra.”"

and of course....

""A generous research grant from the Scottish Rite Foundation for Schizophrenia Research helped establish the earliest phases of the DMT project's scientific merit. Later, more substantial funding for the DMT and psilocybin research came from the National Institute on Drug Abuse, a division of the U.S. National Institute of Health." (pg. xii)


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Re: Schizophrenia and spirituality [Re: Roger Wilco]
    #19273387 - 12/14/13 03:38 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Schizophrenia just rips your brain to shit. If you want insight into reality it's in psychedelics.


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    #19274046 - 12/14/13 10:26 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Those are loaded searches finding alarmist conspiracy theorist innuendo-soaked publications.

All the concordant bodies of freemasonry are concerned with self-perfection, which includes most prominently, acts and works of charity,  not manipulating society by mind control or drugs,  Nor is there a shady connection with wealthy German, Jewish, or American banking families beyond the fact that most masonic activities are funded by interest from centuries of careful investment of surplus dues and benevolent donations by members.  Charity monies (such as shrine {children hospital} endeavors or masonic cancer car charities).  All monies collected for charity GO to the charity, unlike many other foundations which pay a lot of overhead costs.
Masons don't get paid to be masons.  They pay a small annual due fee for lodge activities and affiliation, per-capita and grand lodge fees, and generally pay for their own regalia, excepting those awarded upon merit or temporarily lent to members from lodge property.

"masonic wages" is generally a term used to describe the freedom and privilege to visit other lodges, participate in warmth and fellowship, and feel the character of ones self become better and grow closer to those who are like-minded.  The brotherhood is all masons really get out of freemasonry, and only insofar as they put the same into it, in like.

These articles, are horseshit written by people who spent a lot of energy on trying to make credible-seeming connections between all the buzz-names of popular conspiracy identities that they know of.  A little truth here and there and you can embellish and adorn it with mystified titles (like the Scottish rite which is a deeply private Quasi-religious order and doesn't promote, or defend itself) and who is going to know it's largely made up of unjustified suspicion if it's presented in the format of a legitimate investigative report?

You know, if there's any secret that the masons know that NOBODY else knows, it's that there is no secret.  The mystical treasure for  Freemasons is that we are all divine children of God,  and we are all our brothers keepers.  Freedom, equality, charity.

I can say this, and people are going to continue to believe there's an insidious secret anyway,  because it's so popular to do so, so the "Big Secret" I just revealed,  although logical, obvious, and anti-climactic,  will probably remain a secret.  Because it challenges peoples long-held prejudices and superstitions.  Moreover, it espouses acceptance, understanding and prudence that is conflicting to sensationalist conspiracy theorists who spend vast amounts of their life's energies pointing a blaming finger at "them" whoever they suppose "they" are.


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    #19274079 - 12/14/13 10:34 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

:thumbup:


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    #19275256 - 12/14/13 03:44 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Those are loaded searches finding alarmist conspiracy theorist innuendo-soaked publications.






Mitchnast I found it strange how you brought this thread back from the dead just to brush off a question about the Mason's research from the 1930's. People scrutinize facts to discern reality. If a group doesn't promote or defend itself, all the scrutiny is left up to the people. I think it is normal for them to wonder about loose ends. In reading "The sneaky bastards, what are they up to?" in CrimpJiggler's post, I did not perceive anything other than an individual trying to tie up loose ends, and attempting to create a clearer picture of reality. This is to be expected, and encouraged.

Perhaps the http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/27a/247.html is a bit sensationalist.

I would hardly call "DMT the spirit molecule" a conspiracy read. If you would take the time to read the two Google books I linked I think you find when the Scottish Rite is mentioned, it is less than controversial.

History is just interesting. Recent history is particularity unclear. I said nothing condemning about the masons, and really if you read those books, they are about MK ULTRA history. The Scottish Rite Foundation (SRF) does appear to have genuine interest in trytpamine chemicals. I do not suggest the nature of that interest, nor do the books from google books; they mention funding and beginnings, not mission statement or will.

I think these authors made the mention, because they researched history, and found the SRF funded studies. I don't believe either author is saying why, but they are suggesting the SRF gave money for research, which they did, and still do.

MK ULTRA is a real part of history. The Scottish Rite was involved with funding it; that is not a departure into finger pointing or blame, or supposition as to why.

"The masons" is a collective, but when a mason acts as an individual history may not be able to tell. A collective is made up of individuals with their own minds, and wills, abilities, and actions and therefore cannot all be lumped together in a historical sense. Therefore, let's not malign attempts to scrutinze history within intangible generalizations.

Funding from the SRF for a particular project does not reflect ALL masons, but is a piece of history all on it's own.

Please take the time to debunk the historical events of financial ties connecting to the Scottish Rite Foundation to tryptamine research as reported by Colin Ross, Jim Keith, and Rick Strassman.

Here is an abstract of a study of tryptamine in Rat brains from 1978 funded by various masonic funds and Sandoz.

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1749-6632.1978.tb31524.x/abstract

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Supported in part by National Institute of Mental Health Research Grants MH-16674 and MH-25515, Research Career Investigator Award MH-74370 (R. J. B.), an award from the Scottish Rite Research Fellowship Program, Supreme Council 33° A.A., Scottish Rite, Northern Masonic Jurisdiction of the United States (S. C. G.), and by a research grant from the Scottish Rite Benevolent Foundation. Dr. Stewart was supported by National Institute of Mental Health Postdoctoral Research Fellowship MH-01215, and by BRSG Research Grant B 75-39 to the Massachusetts General Hospital. Dr. Sperk was supported by the Max Kade Foundation for Austrian Scholars and by the Sandoz Foundation."


To lesion neurons with neurotoxic tryptamines in mammals! That sounds like it might hurt. This study is beyond me, but it was an easy to find example of how the SRF continued to be involved with tryptamine research between the time of MKULTRA and Rick Strassman's studies. I'm not suggesting why, I'm not postulating conspiracy. It's just interesting; it's recent history that's fuzzy. Tryptamines are a big interest on this site and beyond!!! It would be really interesting, from a historical perspective, to know what work has been done around them this century. It appears the SRF has been involved, in some form or another, with cutting edge tryptamine research for many years. If I remember correctly, they not only funded Strassman, but helped him source the DMT.

DMT a few years ago was a relatively unknown drug. Now it is a really common to at least know what it is. I am very interested, from a psychedelic historical perspective, in by what avenues the SRF found itself interested in tryptamnies so many years ago, and what maintained it's interest, and of course, the specifics of the studies undertaken through the years. Here is a Huffington Post artice discussing how Rick Strassman's work helped to popularize DMT. I feel it was this book that brought DMT to my immediate culture, therefore Without the SRF, there would be no DMT in my immediate culture. That is significant enough to be curious. People can be curious without condemning.

""Mainstream interest since the release of the cult film "Enter the Void" in 2009 and the 2010 documentary "DMT: The Spirit Molecule", followed by a recent article in the influential youth magazine Vice featuring young people who had just smoked DMT will have raised awareness," Winstock's study said, suggesting why use might be on the rise."

If You Haven't Heard Of DMT Yet, You Might Soon


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Re: Schizophrenia and spirituality [Re: Roger Wilco]
    #19275440 - 12/14/13 04:23 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Looking at my previous ppost i see i forgot to attribute the last quote to Strassmans book "DMT The Spirit Molecule".

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Re: Schizophrenia and spirituality [Re: Roger Wilco]
    #19276292 - 12/14/13 07:42 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Umm.... it took you more than one trip to realize the universe was conscious?

What is conscious-----> it is defined as a circuit of between 2 and a billion neurons (or reactive devices) connected that interact to further whatever elementary cause created them. Human fetuses first flash "BANG" of consciousness begins the furtherment of their living and regulating their own body.

Psilocybin is a neurotransmitter used my mushroom mycelia (probably a recently evolved one in a line of billions of years of neurotransmitters used in fungi), which humans (the second neuron in this circuit) selected to propagate because of this reason: PSILOCYBIN(and other neurotransmitters) INCREASES NOVELTY.

Novelty is anything that is an interrelation between 2 "datanodes" in space. Originally, there was only the 1 datanode, then after the big bang we have many, and at some point they began interacting. The first molecular interaction in space was the beginning of our universe's fetushood.

Yes, like :tmckenna: talks about.

As the interrelations propagate, and novelty increases, it becomes exponentially easier and more likely for another such novel interrelation to develop anywhere in the universe.

My friend thinks about it like generations of animals, how each "generation" continues on its path at level novelty until some interrelation causes a massive shift in time and space. This causes mutations, adaptations, extinctions, evolutions to occur. All of the previous increase novelty. Even extinctions increase it because it is novel that something once existed but now does not.

Every single thing that ever existed, still exists, we just dont see it physically because the light was absorbed by something or is still reflecting about the universe, thereby increasing novelty from the datanode that released the light.

There are other realities than the one that was created by our big bang, and when you trip out hard you can access them. That created novel interrelations between this dimension and another. We will need alot of people constantly hallucinating on DMT if humans want to survive. We will use this room full of educated psychonauts to accelerate novelty to other dimensions at a rate incomparable to anything found in nature that DOESNT involve neurotransmitters creating complex novelty circuits in an entities brain.

Thus, the fact that humans exist is a new "frequency" because that was the start of this level of time we are currently on, in which humans trip balls and accelerate novelty. Animals before us did not trip as hard presumably, and it is questionable if aliens on other planets are tripping and accelerating novelty as fast as humans are. If they are not, we are safe. If they are, they will probably build a teleportation machine soon and kill us.

We may already be too late to gain the advantage on the universal scheme, since western culture tried to stop shamanism and schizophrenia, and attempted to slow down the convalescence of novelty.

Reality is a constant flux between 2 points. The big bang, with no space and infinite density(with both 0 and infinite novelty simultaneously) , and an alternate state where the universe encompasses infinite space, and has no density( also both 0 and infinity novelty). The second state is infinitely novel because it came from the big bang's 0 novelty, and grew until its novelty encompassed all possible novelties. The big bang is infinitely novel because it has the potential already(humans always ignore this) to become the second state. Both also have 0 novelty simultaneously, because a point, the big bang, has no interrelations between itself, while the second state, with no points, has no points to create interrelations of novelty.

Thus, those 2 points are inaccessible because they are basically the top of an asymptotic graph, if you remember math. The further you go toward the asymptote, the higher the corresponding value goes, but it never actually meets infinity or the exact value the asymtote occupies.

Our entire reality, is literally created by the tension between these two absolutes, and our trouble dealing with the accelerating novelty. We are only evolved to evolve at a standard rate, however evolution itself evolves evolution over time.

This is an example of derivatives. The derivative of the fact that we are only evolved to a set time, is the fact that evolution exists, and adapts us to every possible set time, when the time comes. The derivative of speed, for example, a constant rate, is acceleration, the rate that the speed increases at.

So, since time is evolving exponentially quickly, we stopped even having time for physical evolution for the most part(again, nothing is absolute in reality), but now we have cultural evolution! see, that is the new frequency that comes with humanity. Culture creates a lot of new datanodes and novel interrelations between them, further accelerating novelty acceleration(ie a third level derivation from novelty acceleration).

Since we have stopped evolving for 100,000 years, it is basically factually impossible for us to continue living at this very moment without a mass extinction. The amount of time between this moment, when we should be dead, and the moment when humans will cease to have free will, is an infinitely small amount of time, yet if we use this amount of time to trip hard enough as a species we can learn how to manipulate time, and then we can save our species.

It does not look so good right now because in the 80s it was calculated that the event horizon would be between 2012 and 2040, but now people think because of certain events, it may decelerate and could be like 2080 or something. At that point, im pretty sure we would be dead.


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