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Re: Schizophrenia and spirituality [Re: Chirox]
    #18996226 - 10/18/13 03:53 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

yeah, the deeper you go into your dreams, fucking your reality fucking your dreams.
the lonelier it gets, you start making up other peoples existences in your own head to keep you company, you start becoming other people and stealing their bodies,

BUT
the best thing you can do is to start creating an imaginary friend, who is on the other side.
mine is a one eyed wolf called sandman. the dog god. who lives behind one of my eyes, after i lost it. so i can be a whole person. if you shoot a man in the heart or the head it does not matter, we all need something other than ourselves to keep going on.



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Re: Schizophrenia and spirituality [Re: Delarge]
    #19040032 - 10/27/13 10:08 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I just found out that the Scottish rite freemasons have been funding research on schizophrenia since the 30's:
http://james.psych.umn.edu/scott_rite.html
The sneaky bastards, what are they up to?


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Re: Schizophrenia and spirituality [Re: CrimpJiggler]
    #19273117 - 12/14/13 12:21 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Charity work I'd reckon.


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Re: Schizophrenia and spirituality [Re: Mitchnast]
    #19273303 - 12/14/13 02:28 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

google searches:

"scottish rite foundation sandoz"
"Scottish rite LSD"
"scottish rite dmt"

some results:

Mass Control: Engineering Human Consciousness  By Jim Keith

The C.I.A. Doctors: Human Rights Violations by American Psychiatrists  By Colin A. Ross

"...as Colin Ross explained in The CIA Doctors, Dr. Winfred Overholser Sr. funded LSD research through the Scottish Rite Committee "

British psychiatry: from eugenics to assassination

"....A behavior control research project was begun in the 1950s, coordinated by the British psychological warfare unit called the Tavistock Institute, with the Scottish Rite Masons, the Central Intelligence Agency, and other British, U.S., Canadian, and United Nations agencies. The project became famous in the 1970s under a CIA code name, “MK-Ultra.”"

and of course....

""A generous research grant from the Scottish Rite Foundation for Schizophrenia Research helped establish the earliest phases of the DMT project's scientific merit. Later, more substantial funding for the DMT and psilocybin research came from the National Institute on Drug Abuse, a division of the U.S. National Institute of Health." (pg. xii)


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Re: Schizophrenia and spirituality [Re: Roger Wilco]
    #19273387 - 12/14/13 03:38 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Schizophrenia just rips your brain to shit. If you want insight into reality it's in psychedelics.


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Re: Schizophrenia and spirituality [Re: Roger Wilco]
    #19274046 - 12/14/13 10:26 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Those are loaded searches finding alarmist conspiracy theorist innuendo-soaked publications.

All the concordant bodies of freemasonry are concerned with self-perfection, which includes most prominently, acts and works of charity,  not manipulating society by mind control or drugs,  Nor is there a shady connection with wealthy German, Jewish, or American banking families beyond the fact that most masonic activities are funded by interest from centuries of careful investment of surplus dues and benevolent donations by members.  Charity monies (such as shrine {children hospital} endeavors or masonic cancer car charities).  All monies collected for charity GO to the charity, unlike many other foundations which pay a lot of overhead costs.
Masons don't get paid to be masons.  They pay a small annual due fee for lodge activities and affiliation, per-capita and grand lodge fees, and generally pay for their own regalia, excepting those awarded upon merit or temporarily lent to members from lodge property.

"masonic wages" is generally a term used to describe the freedom and privilege to visit other lodges, participate in warmth and fellowship, and feel the character of ones self become better and grow closer to those who are like-minded.  The brotherhood is all masons really get out of freemasonry, and only insofar as they put the same into it, in like.

These articles, are horseshit written by people who spent a lot of energy on trying to make credible-seeming connections between all the buzz-names of popular conspiracy identities that they know of.  A little truth here and there and you can embellish and adorn it with mystified titles (like the Scottish rite which is a deeply private Quasi-religious order and doesn't promote, or defend itself) and who is going to know it's largely made up of unjustified suspicion if it's presented in the format of a legitimate investigative report?

You know, if there's any secret that the masons know that NOBODY else knows, it's that there is no secret.  The mystical treasure for  Freemasons is that we are all divine children of God,  and we are all our brothers keepers.  Freedom, equality, charity.

I can say this, and people are going to continue to believe there's an insidious secret anyway,  because it's so popular to do so, so the "Big Secret" I just revealed,  although logical, obvious, and anti-climactic,  will probably remain a secret.  Because it challenges peoples long-held prejudices and superstitions.  Moreover, it espouses acceptance, understanding and prudence that is conflicting to sensationalist conspiracy theorists who spend vast amounts of their life's energies pointing a blaming finger at "them" whoever they suppose "they" are.


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Re: Schizophrenia and spirituality [Re: Mitchnast]
    #19274079 - 12/14/13 10:34 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

:thumbup:


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Re: Schizophrenia and spirituality [Re: Icelander]
    #19275256 - 12/14/13 03:44 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Mitchnast said:
Those are loaded searches finding alarmist conspiracy theorist innuendo-soaked publications.






Mitchnast I found it strange how you brought this thread back from the dead just to brush off a question about the Mason's research from the 1930's. People scrutinize facts to discern reality. If a group doesn't promote or defend itself, all the scrutiny is left up to the people. I think it is normal for them to wonder about loose ends. In reading "The sneaky bastards, what are they up to?" in CrimpJiggler's post, I did not perceive anything other than an individual trying to tie up loose ends, and attempting to create a clearer picture of reality. This is to be expected, and encouraged.

Perhaps the http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/27a/247.html is a bit sensationalist.

I would hardly call "DMT the spirit molecule" a conspiracy read. If you would take the time to read the two Google books I linked I think you find when the Scottish Rite is mentioned, it is less than controversial.

History is just interesting. Recent history is particularity unclear. I said nothing condemning about the masons, and really if you read those books, they are about MK ULTRA history. The Scottish Rite Foundation (SRF) does appear to have genuine interest in trytpamine chemicals. I do not suggest the nature of that interest, nor do the books from google books; they mention funding and beginnings, not mission statement or will.

I think these authors made the mention, because they researched history, and found the SRF funded studies. I don't believe either author is saying why, but they are suggesting the SRF gave money for research, which they did, and still do.

MK ULTRA is a real part of history. The Scottish Rite was involved with funding it; that is not a departure into finger pointing or blame, or supposition as to why.

"The masons" is a collective, but when a mason acts as an individual history may not be able to tell. A collective is made up of individuals with their own minds, and wills, abilities, and actions and therefore cannot all be lumped together in a historical sense. Therefore, let's not malign attempts to scrutinze history within intangible generalizations.

Funding from the SRF for a particular project does not reflect ALL masons, but is a piece of history all on it's own.

Please take the time to debunk the historical events of financial ties connecting to the Scottish Rite Foundation to tryptamine research as reported by Colin Ross, Jim Keith, and Rick Strassman.

Here is an abstract of a study of tryptamine in Rat brains from 1978 funded by various masonic funds and Sandoz.

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1749-6632.1978.tb31524.x/abstract

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Supported in part by National Institute of Mental Health Research Grants MH-16674 and MH-25515, Research Career Investigator Award MH-74370 (R. J. B.), an award from the Scottish Rite Research Fellowship Program, Supreme Council 33° A.A., Scottish Rite, Northern Masonic Jurisdiction of the United States (S. C. G.), and by a research grant from the Scottish Rite Benevolent Foundation. Dr. Stewart was supported by National Institute of Mental Health Postdoctoral Research Fellowship MH-01215, and by BRSG Research Grant B 75-39 to the Massachusetts General Hospital. Dr. Sperk was supported by the Max Kade Foundation for Austrian Scholars and by the Sandoz Foundation."


To lesion neurons with neurotoxic tryptamines in mammals! That sounds like it might hurt. This study is beyond me, but it was an easy to find example of how the SRF continued to be involved with tryptamine research between the time of MKULTRA and Rick Strassman's studies. I'm not suggesting why, I'm not postulating conspiracy. It's just interesting; it's recent history that's fuzzy. Tryptamines are a big interest on this site and beyond!!! It would be really interesting, from a historical perspective, to know what work has been done around them this century. It appears the SRF has been involved, in some form or another, with cutting edge tryptamine research for many years. If I remember correctly, they not only funded Strassman, but helped him source the DMT.

DMT a few years ago was a relatively unknown drug. Now it is a really common to at least know what it is. I am very interested, from a psychedelic historical perspective, in by what avenues the SRF found itself interested in tryptamnies so many years ago, and what maintained it's interest, and of course, the specifics of the studies undertaken through the years. Here is a Huffington Post artice discussing how Rick Strassman's work helped to popularize DMT. I feel it was this book that brought DMT to my immediate culture, therefore Without the SRF, there would be no DMT in my immediate culture. That is significant enough to be curious. People can be curious without condemning.

""Mainstream interest since the release of the cult film "Enter the Void" in 2009 and the 2010 documentary "DMT: The Spirit Molecule", followed by a recent article in the influential youth magazine Vice featuring young people who had just smoked DMT will have raised awareness," Winstock's study said, suggesting why use might be on the rise."

If You Haven't Heard Of DMT Yet, You Might Soon


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Re: Schizophrenia and spirituality [Re: Roger Wilco]
    #19275440 - 12/14/13 04:23 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Looking at my previous ppost i see i forgot to attribute the last quote to Strassmans book "DMT The Spirit Molecule".

cheers


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Re: Schizophrenia and spirituality [Re: Roger Wilco]
    #19276292 - 12/14/13 07:42 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Umm.... it took you more than one trip to realize the universe was conscious?

What is conscious-----> it is defined as a circuit of between 2 and a billion neurons (or reactive devices) connected that interact to further whatever elementary cause created them. Human fetuses first flash "BANG" of consciousness begins the furtherment of their living and regulating their own body.

Psilocybin is a neurotransmitter used my mushroom mycelia (probably a recently evolved one in a line of billions of years of neurotransmitters used in fungi), which humans (the second neuron in this circuit) selected to propagate because of this reason: PSILOCYBIN(and other neurotransmitters) INCREASES NOVELTY.

Novelty is anything that is an interrelation between 2 "datanodes" in space. Originally, there was only the 1 datanode, then after the big bang we have many, and at some point they began interacting. The first molecular interaction in space was the beginning of our universe's fetushood.

Yes, like :tmckenna: talks about.

As the interrelations propagate, and novelty increases, it becomes exponentially easier and more likely for another such novel interrelation to develop anywhere in the universe.

My friend thinks about it like generations of animals, how each "generation" continues on its path at level novelty until some interrelation causes a massive shift in time and space. This causes mutations, adaptations, extinctions, evolutions to occur. All of the previous increase novelty. Even extinctions increase it because it is novel that something once existed but now does not.

Every single thing that ever existed, still exists, we just dont see it physically because the light was absorbed by something or is still reflecting about the universe, thereby increasing novelty from the datanode that released the light.

There are other realities than the one that was created by our big bang, and when you trip out hard you can access them. That created novel interrelations between this dimension and another. We will need alot of people constantly hallucinating on DMT if humans want to survive. We will use this room full of educated psychonauts to accelerate novelty to other dimensions at a rate incomparable to anything found in nature that DOESNT involve neurotransmitters creating complex novelty circuits in an entities brain.

Thus, the fact that humans exist is a new "frequency" because that was the start of this level of time we are currently on, in which humans trip balls and accelerate novelty. Animals before us did not trip as hard presumably, and it is questionable if aliens on other planets are tripping and accelerating novelty as fast as humans are. If they are not, we are safe. If they are, they will probably build a teleportation machine soon and kill us.

We may already be too late to gain the advantage on the universal scheme, since western culture tried to stop shamanism and schizophrenia, and attempted to slow down the convalescence of novelty.

Reality is a constant flux between 2 points. The big bang, with no space and infinite density(with both 0 and infinite novelty simultaneously) , and an alternate state where the universe encompasses infinite space, and has no density( also both 0 and infinity novelty). The second state is infinitely novel because it came from the big bang's 0 novelty, and grew until its novelty encompassed all possible novelties. The big bang is infinitely novel because it has the potential already(humans always ignore this) to become the second state. Both also have 0 novelty simultaneously, because a point, the big bang, has no interrelations between itself, while the second state, with no points, has no points to create interrelations of novelty.

Thus, those 2 points are inaccessible because they are basically the top of an asymptotic graph, if you remember math. The further you go toward the asymptote, the higher the corresponding value goes, but it never actually meets infinity or the exact value the asymtote occupies.

Our entire reality, is literally created by the tension between these two absolutes, and our trouble dealing with the accelerating novelty. We are only evolved to evolve at a standard rate, however evolution itself evolves evolution over time.

This is an example of derivatives. The derivative of the fact that we are only evolved to a set time, is the fact that evolution exists, and adapts us to every possible set time, when the time comes. The derivative of speed, for example, a constant rate, is acceleration, the rate that the speed increases at.

So, since time is evolving exponentially quickly, we stopped even having time for physical evolution for the most part(again, nothing is absolute in reality), but now we have cultural evolution! see, that is the new frequency that comes with humanity. Culture creates a lot of new datanodes and novel interrelations between them, further accelerating novelty acceleration(ie a third level derivation from novelty acceleration).

Since we have stopped evolving for 100,000 years, it is basically factually impossible for us to continue living at this very moment without a mass extinction. The amount of time between this moment, when we should be dead, and the moment when humans will cease to have free will, is an infinitely small amount of time, yet if we use this amount of time to trip hard enough as a species we can learn how to manipulate time, and then we can save our species.

It does not look so good right now because in the 80s it was calculated that the event horizon would be between 2012 and 2040, but now people think because of certain events, it may decelerate and could be like 2080 or something. At that point, im pretty sure we would be dead.


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