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Re: Schizophrenia and spirituality [Re: CrimpJiggler]
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schizophrenia is a departmentalization of multiple infinite personality not expressing itself as a whole
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Re: Schizophrenia and spirituality [Re: CrimpJiggler]
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CrimpJiggler said: I've stayed up too long on meth and smoked cannabis a few times, and this has sends me into a full blown psychotic episode. I'm prone to cannabis induced psychosis as it is, so the combination of the meth induced sleep deprivation and the cannabis really sends me off my rockers. They have been the scariest experiences of my life hands down, but also some of the most spiritually awakening experiences. I would be getting terrorized by hallucinations for hours on end, and eventually I'd just accept defeat and surrender. It was only years later that I started to understand the spiritual implications of all this. It wasn't me that was being assaulted by the hallucinations, it was my ego. Wasn't me that was struggling to survive, it was my ego.
I remember listening to this song during and after one of the experiences:
hearing it again brings back all the bizarre, alien emotions that came with that state. Its like that tune was made to be listened to in the psychotic state. The state where everything has deep spiritual meaning below the surface. I remember thinking that what happens in this 3D world is just ripples caused by what is going on in the spiritual world, and that the pain and suffering we feel here (the illusory 3D world), has its source in the spiritual world (the real world) and thinking about how sad it was that everyone is deluded into thinking the source of their pain can be comprehended with the 3D mind and at the same time how awesome it is that this pain is the very thing that ultimately forces us to drop all the pettiness and surface bullshit and see what we are underneath: psychonautical warriors. These experiences were years ago, but I can't shake the feeling that I may have been seeing the truth. Maybe I've been like an ostriche with its head in the sand, and its time to wake the fuck up and remember I'm not confined to this 3D reality thing. Or maybe there is no reality. Maybe we simply exist in the reality, on which frequency we resonate.
So it sounds like you have experienced the state perhaps of witnessing which is an ability of the mind. I experienced this extremely clearly when I was about 14 and bad tripping on acid. I had a few trips where I was 'possessed by the devil' and instead of the devil being some powerful evil personality he was instead weak as a dishrag and a scapegoat and the essence of all we wish to forget about ourselves. As the night went on I divided into two, my delusory mind and my witnessing awareness. This experience, as horrific as it was, was an awakening for me.
But I have never understood this shagging the ego thing that people go on about. The ego is what gives us a sense of self. Without ego we would easily allow ourselves to fall into all sorts of harm. I think people confuse the selfish id and ego and this is the fault of goop minded and uneducated spiritual teachers.
Having had this witnessing experience I became convinced that how one works amongst the relative, conditional and changing circumstances was the more important of the two sides of the mind since the witnessing awareness doesn't change. The ego can expand to include the unchanging mind. The ego is what we have made of it. The id is the grasping, selfish person inside us - which is also a survival mechanism of our persona.
The deepest Indic teachings do not eschew any aspect of ourselves. I think if anyone looks deep into this notion of -be without the ego- they will find wolves in sheep's clothing who want to steal what their devotees have - sex, money, goods, status. Be without the ego, is great for a leader who themselves have no especially endearing qualities and who need a weaker following to maintain control.
I think on Kalki Avatar that splat of diarrhea who has been on the lam ever since his fiasco in India regarding drugging his people and leaving them to wallow in inhuman conditions.
Everybody should beware of any teaching which demands you give anything up from the outset. A valid teaching will give you room, time, and materials to study and to make informed decisions, at your own pace.
Regarding schizophrenia and psychosis - the two things may overlap but they are different. Psychosis entails a amassing of dopamine and other brain chems in the brain and enhances audiovisual brain centers and experiences which may go in hand with additional motive force such that one cannot separate vision and hearing from action. That psychosis can be treated fairly simply.
Thorazine - people think is a super powerful drug. Fact is Compazine which they give people for nausea is actually ten times stronger. Thorazine has little effect on people who do not have over-brainchem-activity.
Schizophrenia is a compartmentalization of the psyche whereby one is fractured into various personas which do not simultaneously coexist, usually as the result of some trauma. It isn't necessarily treated with antipsychotics, nor is it always treatable at all.
The witnessing state of certain Eastern teachings, mainly yoga teachings, exist where the mind and witnessing are simultaneous. Schizophrenia mind states are not simultaneous. The sense sometimes of being separate or watching the mind unravel within is not schizophrenia.
I don't think anyone can deny that people who spend more time within their minds may make more spiritual discoveries than those people who spend more time in their bodies or in material or extraverted pursuits.
I think for all people they should look through the whole buffet of spiritual teachings and choose something which works with their appetite. Rather than being force-fed something which may make them ill later. And spiritual teaching do make people ill. The state of the world today, with constant war is an illness much of which is directly due to sickening spiritual teachings.
It's good to know that some teachings can be bad for you and that you aren't forced or required in life to struggle with your electives but rather the choice to pursue a teaching is yours.
I was forced to acknowledge the state of witnessing and some visual phenomena and it took me thirty years to integrate my understanding with life. I cannot say I am a functional person. I have quit over 60 jobs in my lifetime most often telling the boss to fuck off or some derivative and in much more discrete and vital terms.
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Re: Schizophrenia and spirituality [Re: eve69]
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I cannot say I am a functional person. I have quit over 60 jobs in my lifetime most often telling the boss to fuck off or some derivative and in much more discrete and vital terms.
This actually sounds highly functional in part.
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Re: Schizophrenia and spirituality [Re: ro-deez]
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ro-deez said: schizophrenia is a departmentalization of multiple infinite personality not expressing itself as a whole
I vs. I
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Re: Schizophrenia and spirituality [Re: CrimpJiggler]
#18971769 - 10/13/13 11:02 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I haven't but I'm interested. Scared too of what might happen.
Yes. I've thought about it in the past. I want to meet someone who can see them and communicate with them.
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marijuana is an excellent tool for dealing with psychic phenomena as long as you are taking it as an encouragement of meditation and not as an escape from it...
you know its hard to tell whats in your imagination sometimes because the fact is, the mind can create it's own problems like that sometimes. especially when multiple people are in a tenuous agreement about it.
that's why quiet mind is good mind because then you can know for sure if a mental object arose completely unexpectedly or if you are just rampantly imagining/thinking out of control
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Try talking to other beings. Like Angels, Pleiadians, Arcturians. These are 5th dimensional consciousnesses existing outside of our 4d dimensional reality. They can usually help and they are incredibly sympathetic to stuff like this. Usually its all about love. What I like to do is imagine a being of light hugging me, then we communicate through our heart/throat/third eye chakras.
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Re: Schizophrenia and spirituality [Re: Chirox]
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eve69 said: Schizophrenia is a compartmentalization of the psyche whereby one is fractured into various personas which do not simultaneously coexist, usually as the result of some trauma. It isn't necessarily treated with antipsychotics, nor is it always treatable at all.
This describes Multiple Personality disorder more than schizophrenia, IMO.
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Chirox said: Try talking to other beings. Like Angels, Pleiadians, Arcturians. These are 5th dimensional consciousnesses existing outside of our 4d dimensional reality. They can usually help and they are incredibly sympathetic to stuff like this. Usually its all about love. What I like to do is imagine a being of light hugging me, then we communicate through our heart/throat/third eye chakras.
Not all entities are loving, or even capable of fitting into our human concepts of "good", "bad", "loving", etcetera. Here there be dragons.
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Re: Schizophrenia and spirituality [Re: Chirox]
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Sounds like you've made it.
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Re: Schizophrenia and spirituality [Re: Chirox]
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Chirox said: Try talking to other beings. Like Angels, Pleiadians, Arcturians. These are 5th dimensional consciousnesses existing outside of our 4d dimensional reality. They can usually help and they are incredibly sympathetic to stuff like this. Usually its all about love. What I like to do is imagine a being of light hugging me, then we communicate through our heart/throat/third eye chakras.
I don't know how to establish contact with anything else or even have a conversation with 'them...' These say they are angels and Baphomets.
There is this female, I've been told she's my guardian angel, I call her Junee Junes and she was named Jasmine. She's nasty and condescending most of the time. What she does perfectly is read my mind. If I have anything to say... Most of the time she will mirror my words with her own line of dialog straight from my mind almost before I can think it. So she will say the exact same thing as I'm thinking it or saying it to neutralize any further discussion. She thinks she 'wins' like this. I can rarely get a point across. But FUCK, she came to me with a thousand questions and I answered them all. They treat us like livestock or something.
I've talked to a few people about this. One lady said that I am repaying some karmic debt and that in a past life I was a gateway for spirits. I was like, 'no, no, no... IN THIS LIFE!'
I have faith that there are various beings and varying intelligences 'out there/right here.' I met groups and groups of them and they all wanted obedience. THEY WANTED AN 'AGENT OF CHANGE.' I just don't know how to win their acceptance and help or even consideration anymore cause I didn't do what they wanted from the start.
Their big thing was, 'DON'T BE E-goic! BE e-GO-ic!' Confusing on purpose. NLP. The spins.
I thought I could just call them schizophrenia and deal with it that way so I disrespected them.
Now what?
I wish I wouldn't have talked. There was something secret going on... 'Sex Magicians.' Now we are under judgement by these prudes who think being turned on is uncomfortable and wrong. In reality its necessary as sort of a vampirism when the oneness takes effect physically. Sex heals. Being tethered into a system that harvests 'the human element' is hell. Salvation can be had at penetration or just imagining penetration... By feeding off of the genitals.
That's what was going on. Then its like I told on them. They have free will. And the angels want to force us to be 'christian enough' but offer nothing resembling christ.
Its like the 'kids' are in heaven and you have to lie to them. Trick em. Over and over. Its sad. But I think that's how free will was won by mankind. A good trick to escape their control.
Anyway... How do I break out of their plane and rid myself of their influence?
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This is where I check out of this topic. See yas.
But I would like to say that spirituality is like the belly, and these apparitions are like food. They are related but not the same thing.
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Just say: GET THE FUCK OUT OF MY HEAD FUCKING BULLSHIT SPIRITS!!!
Its the magic words man. Im serious. It will make them silent for a while then ignore and give absolutely no attention to them. It isn't easy but it has worked for me in the past. I don't hear voices but I know what it is like to have your thoughts invaded by spirits. It sounds like you have a case of astral parasites. You need to stop feeding them energy by giving them attention.
Banish the shit out of them dude. They are not welcome in your mind. If you want more details just ask.
First step though is to poor all your will into a simple banishing statement. Don't call them by the name they gave you just call them something insulting.
Once done say I love you to... Well whatever you want really. You are right about churches stealing people's energy but belief can also help people in dark places. I pray to the great mystery or the universe. It doesn't have to be more complicated that man. If that is hard to put faith in, mother earth will always send you positive energy if you love and respect her back. So I recomend you do the ritual outside. Don't worry about moon phases or astrological bullshit, just find a nice spot. Don't lie down or kneel. Power stance. Let the spirits come to the surface then give them hell.
Do it tomorrow if you can.
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I'M AFRAID OF WHAT THEY CAN DISH OUT. They cause real pain and it feels like they are ripping apart my brain and pulling on my bone structure.
You are right they are astral parasites. Some of them.
I've already been cooked in a fire of anxiety and hell. Both energy and imagery.
I thought I might die at one point. And they were there the whole time, 'KILL YOURSELF, PUSSY.'
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I DO. Do you have more details? I mean I'm fucking resorting to ECT because I think it will warn them at least.
Just telling them off doesn't work. It comes back on me a thousand fold.
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yeah man, staying up too long during a speed binge can be pretty scary, What i thought was pure coke was cut with meth. I thought my friend was trying to kill me and i saw cop cars everywhere, that shit is bad news.
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FishOilTheKid said: I'M AFRAID OF WHAT THEY CAN DISH OUT. They cause real pain and it feels like they are ripping apart my brain and pulling on my bone structure.
You are right they are astral parasites. Some of them.
I've already been cooked in a fire of anxiety and hell. Both energy and imagery.
I thought I might die at one point. And they were there the whole time, 'KILL YOURSELF, PUSSY.'
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I DO. Do you have more details? I mean I'm fucking resorting to ECT because I think it will warn them at least.
Just telling them off doesn't work. It comes back on me a thousand fold.
The voices I was hearing said stuff like that regularly. Never told me to kill myself, but they kept telling me to get out of the house and that I was about to die at any moment. The thing is though, they were mispronouncing words, in the exact same way I would of since I didn't know how these specific words were pronounced at the time. Thats clear evidence that it was either all in my head, or that these entities or whatever don't actually have any worldly knowledge, but instead just use whats in your head against you. I suppose the latter would be how astral parasites work, they're looking for a reaction so they probe various things inside your head and see what will cause the desired reaction.
Telling them off never works in my experience either. The only way to make them fade I found was to become completely equinimous and not react to anything they do or say. The same principle applies to sleep paralysis too. To learn how to do this, start practicing vipassana meditation.
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Don't be afraid man. They thrive on lower vibrations. Fear, hate, guilt, regret, greed, envy all that sort of stuff. They are trying to bring you down to their level. A good first step is to try your hardest to vibrate higher level energy. Virtue, wisdom, love, generosity, and courage and self respect are vibrations they cannot exist on. It is hard to do but once you cultivate this way of being you fall into a groove that they cannot follow. You need to find that groove by trying your hardest to be the nicest,most coolest person you can.
These entities only have as much power as you can give them so don't be afraid.
The next step is to realize that they come from your subconscious not the external world. They are fragments of the thing that makes up your mind. Think of consciousness as a sort of organism. It is composed of many smaller cells or entities. If the organism is in harmony all of the cells do their part and become part of a whole. So these entities are out of harmony and that is why they can appear as individual beings.
Next realize that you are part of larger whole. The difference between the trees and and rocks of the forest and you is very little. We are cells of larger organism called Earth. The Earth is cell of a solar system, and the solar system is a cell of much larger galaxy. This galaxy is a cell of a universe. I believe that this universe is part of a organism that we can call God. Put your faith in that, that you are a part of God. Not the popular god of modern religion but a Great Mystery or a Way. It has no name. It has no form beyond what is already apparent with the senses. It needs no lofty image. A tree is a great symbol for it. Even better is the yin-yang. I hope this doesn't sound like dogma. These are the ideas that are curing me and I think it may help you.
Also realize that we are a part of God but we are also God experiencing the rest of objective universe subjectively. So everything we do is significant.
Love holds all these bonds together and hate breaks them apart. This is why you may feel like you are falling apart. Love is best received when given. Remember that. Love is the answer.
Do you need to know more about how I emptied my mind? I meditate on the void and thank existence. I asked them to leave and they left. I had lingering impulses to kill myself after but I challeneged them and ignored them and now I am alone in my head.
Do you want a legit banishing ritual or what worked for me?
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In Buddhism they use a term called 'reify' to suggest that things with no substance can be 'reified' or re-impressed within the mind until it comes to seem they have an objective quality. Such as 'God.' People get used to talking to a 'God' until they think they have defined a 'God' into something objective. But all the while the shape of that god is merely one they have self-suggested.
The people here telling you this and that about weird celestial beings aren't doing you - The OP - any favors. Whatever reality you experience with such things is of your own making.
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Psilopsychosis said: Don't be afraid man. They thrive on lower vibrations. Fear, hate, guilt, regret, greed, envy all that sort of stuff. They are trying to bring you down to their level. A good first step is to try your hardest to vibrate higher level energy. Virtue, wisdom, love, generosity, and courage and self respect are vibrations they cannot exist on. It is hard to do but once you cultivate this way of being you fall into a groove that they cannot follow. You need to find that groove by trying your hardest to be the nicest,most coolest person you can.
These entities only have as much power as you can give them so don't be afraid.
The next step is to realize that they come from your subconscious not the external world. They are fragments of the thing that makes up your mind. Think of consciousness as a sort of organism. It is composed of many smaller cells or entities. If the organism is in harmony all of the cells do their part and become part of a whole. So these entities are out of harmony and that is why they can appear as individual beings.
Next realize that you are part of larger whole. The difference between the trees and and rocks of the forest and you is very little. We are cells of larger organism called Earth. The Earth is cell of a solar system, and the solar system is a cell of much larger galaxy. This galaxy is a cell of a universe. I believe that this universe is part of a organism that we can call God. Put your faith in that, that you are a part of God. Not the popular god of modern religion but a Great Mystery or a Way. It has no name. It has no form beyond what is already apparent with the senses. It needs no lofty image. A tree is a great symbol for it. Even better is the yin-yang. I hope this doesn't sound like dogma. These are the ideas that are curing me and I think it may help you.
Also realize that we are a part of God but we are also God experiencing the rest of objective universe subjectively. So everything we do is significant.
Love holds all these bonds together and hate breaks them apart. This is why you may feel like you are falling apart. Love is best received when given. Remember that. Love is the answer.
Do you need to know more about how I emptied my mind? I meditate on the void and thank existence. I asked them to leave and they left. I had lingering impulses to kill myself after but I challeneged them and ignored them and now I am alone in my head.
Do you want a legit banishing ritual or what worked for me?
This is a magnificent description of it, and it shows you have cultivated a deep understanding of your own nature  The higher we raise our own vibration to one of acceptance, love, caringness, the higher we will naturally rest at. Our previous "best" becomes our new "worst" in terms of state of flow of living (you'll know what I mean). When we are caring, kind, gentle and forgiving, everything around us too is caring, kind, gentle, forgiving. It's a vibration that melts all manner of stress/dark energy around by its nature; the reason being that there is generally a sense of shame/loss/rejection behind every dark/negative/evil act on the perpetrator's side. Total acceptance and forgiveness shows to the being that it's OK to feel suffering and that there is a way out of it, and it shows to the forgiver/acceptor, the strength and light we carry within ourselves. A vibration that cannot be altered or petrurbed, the unstoppable force of compassion.
Compassion is God-mode. To express compassion is to express omnipotence. Simple!
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Shichiri told him: "Do not disturb me. You can find the money in that drawer." Then he resumed his recitation.
A little while afterwards he stopped and called: "Don't take it all. I need some to pay taxes with tomorrow."
The intruder gathered up most of the money and started to leave. "Thank a person when you receive a gift," Shichiri added. The man thanked him and made off.
A few days afterwards the fellow was caught and confessed, among others, the offense against Shichiri. When Shichiri was called as a witness he said: "This man is no thief, at least as far as I am concerned. I gave him the money and he thanked me for it."
After he had finished his prison term, the man went to Shichiri and became his disciple.
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Really hard to balance all this while maintaining any sort of life with normal people.
Thanks for the replies all.
You know, I thought they were all 'my imagination...' Like it had fractured into a multiple personality disorder that took on some sort of autonomy. They were like dense orange/blue/green/red apparitions walking on the ground tethered to the sky asking me questions talking in plain english sort of flirtatious and big brother-ish-like. But the situation has progressed to one of knowing where 'they' are on/in my body, if they are the same thing, because they feel like a dense marble in the muscle. I can wrap my intent around them and squish them and pop them and actually hear a *crack* sound. Sounds almost like eggshell. Like cracking a hardboiled egg...
So they are some quality of mind that has a certain material presence to it. A density to it. Its very uncomfortable to have them inside my body. Most notably they go up the base of my spine or back into the bigger muscles in my back and then up into my neck and head. They feel like they swell up to the size of golf balls when they are in my head and it feels like cluster headaches.
Anyway I often feel coated with what feels like 'Dead' energy that they build inside and outside the body with.
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I find that singing is usually the best banishment for me. Something that takes you out of your comfort zone. Maybe try singing your favorite song. This brings you out of a defensive and reactive state of consciousness into something where you are creating and in control. The more moving and emotional the song, the better. If you are creating it on the spot, then you can know that it is truly your own voice speaking which gives you power.
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