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Re: Is severe psychosis like ego death? [Re: xbloodwhipx]
    #18805604 - 09/05/13 10:40 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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If you completely lose touch with reality, wouldnt that be like ego death? Is it possible to lose touch with reality to the point of ego death? Like can you mentally go "that far" without using drugs?




No.

The idea is that we all come from the same source (light) and we are unaware of this because of our identification with our imagination of our self. When one experiences ego death they tune into the light and they are not really related. People who experience ego death do not lose touch with reality, they realize a greater reality that doesn't hinge on the external world of matter. Can you go how far without using drugs? Ego death? Yes

...anyway, my guess is that people with psychosis probably have very present egos.


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Re: Is severe psychosis like ego death? [Re: NastyDHL] * 1
    #18806774 - 09/06/13 09:56 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Give someone a massive of dose of LSD and put them in a glass box, put another person with sever psychosis in a similar box and have a double blind study to view which are suffering from symptoms of psychosis my hypothesis is you wouldn't be able to tell them apart. :goat:

it's all related to symptoms not some semantics about egos and existence.


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Re: Is severe psychosis like ego death? [Re: Gorlax]
    #18806955 - 09/06/13 10:55 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

It could be.  It depends if you've had an ego death experience before.  People who are too scared to fully let go will think that THEY are god and all that stuff.  When you do let go you realize that WE are all divine beings making up this "god."  At least that's what I've learned, and if that's the case then people with psychosis could definitely undergo a sort of ego death experience.  I've been diagnosed with psychosis, yet everyone I come in contact with tells me that I am ego-less... I guess it's possible :shrug:

I think it really comes down to past experiences, drug induced or not.


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Re: Is severe psychosis like ego death? [Re: sanchothestoner] * 1
    #18807371 - 09/06/13 12:49 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Ego death isnt well defined and there are plenty of people whose mental illnesses have manifestations like peoples personal description of ego feath.

I dont think there is a faster way to make me tune someone out than if they mention ego death.


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Re: Is severe psychosis like ego death? [Re: teamkiller]
    #18807595 - 09/06/13 02:04 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

People often seem to talk about it in a braggy way, so generally I figure that their egos are alive and well.


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Re: Is severe psychosis like ego death? [Re: psi]
    #18807598 - 09/06/13 02:05 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

they can become experiences you're quite proud of, the most intense things one can live through. as if you had a choice in the matter :lol:

sometimes the ego just floats away peacefully like a cloud and sometimes it pops like a pimple. there's no one 'right' way for it to happen.


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Re: Is severe psychosis like ego death? [Re: g00ru]
    #18807759 - 09/06/13 03:00 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Ego is just some terminology left over from a very smart but old fashioned man from over 100 years ago named Freud.

Ego is in always control, Id is the subconscious and Super Ego is the guy who constantly fixes, but can't get everything right.

Ego death is those things with out ego. Ta-da!


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Re: Is severe psychosis like ego death? [Re: Konyap]
    #18807777 - 09/06/13 03:04 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I think psychosis is when someone try's to achieve impossible things and loses a grip on themselves.

Not really delirium or brain dead.


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Re: Is severe psychosis like ego death? [Re: Konyap]
    #18807991 - 09/06/13 04:10 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Freud and his antics. I hate psychology... one of the few elective classes I have withdrew from..and at the time I was taking ochem 1 :facepalm:


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Re: Is severe psychosis like ego death? [Re: Gorlax]
    #18808003 - 09/06/13 04:13 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Give someone a massive of dose of LSD and put them in a glass box, put another person with sever psychosis in a similar box and have a double blind study to view which are suffering from symptoms of psychosis my hypothesis is you wouldn't be able to tell them apart. :goat:

it's all related to symptoms not some semantics about egos and existence.




it depends who the someone on LSD is

how is ego death related to symptoms?


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Re: Is severe psychosis like ego death? [Re: volcomstoner]
    #18808123 - 09/06/13 04:38 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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So is this ego death like, a real thing or something made up by hippies?




It's a real experience. As far as real "thing" i won't comment... But it's not hippy mumbo jumbo. That shits pretty literal when you're in the midst of it.


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Re: Is severe psychosis like ego death? [Re: psi]
    #18808208 - 09/06/13 04:51 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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People often seem to talk about it in a braggy way, so generally I figure that their egos are alive and well.




I think its sad, when it comes to portraying the inner workings of subjective experience, english seems to fail most people.


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Re: Is severe psychosis like ego death? [Re: teamkiller]
    #18808219 - 09/06/13 04:53 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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People often seem to talk about it in a braggy way, so generally I figure that their egos are alive and well.




I think its sad, when it comes to portraying the inner workings of subjective experience, language seems to fail most people.




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Re: Is severe psychosis like ego death? [Re: sanchothestoner]
    #18808289 - 09/06/13 05:08 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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It could be.  It depends if you've had an ego death experience before.  People who are too scared to fully let go will think that THEY are god and all that stuff.  When you do let go you realize that WE are all divine beings making up this "god."  At least that's what I've learned, and if that's the case then people with psychosis could definitely undergo a sort of ego death experience.  I've been diagnosed with psychosis, yet everyone I come in contact with tells me that I am ego-less... I guess it's possible :shrug:

I think it really comes down to past experiences, drug induced or not.



Thinking we as humans are god still sounds pretty egotistical to me, and like a misinterpretation of the experience. I don't see how you think that calling oneself god is egotistical but saying "oh, well everyone else is god too" makes it less egotistical.


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Re: Is severe psychosis like ego death? [Re: xbloodwhipx]
    #18808309 - 09/06/13 05:13 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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If you completely lose touch with reality, wouldnt that be like ego death? Is it possible to lose touch with reality to the point of ego death? Like can you mentally go "that far" without using drugs?



Yes
Delerium... then you don't know who you are or what you do...

Can happen from illness, chock (psychically) etc.


But egodeath is not losing touch with reality
it is reconnecting with yourself, seeing reality from new

After egodeath I was closer to myself than in many years previously the next day..
Better overview of thoughts than in years
Better memory than in years
More happy than in years, from reconnecting with myself & nature

I would say I had lost touch with reality before egodeath
and more in reality after it
no trouble meeting new people etc, but there is the trouble of talking with people you know right after it, as they know you by your old identity(they will instantly know you changed) :-)

But there is no need to view change as bad, almost any change from my prior self is positive

and how do I know I'm in reality?

Happiness everyday, appreciation of the small things, accepting & appreciating everything I  see like first time I saw it, infinite happiness from the small things - and it has lasted >1 year now

Because egodeath made me find my true values in life that I appreciate everyday (i.e. nature,houseplants,pets,hobbies,being social/going out etc. , the small things that bring happiness)

Also it made me quit weed, I don't need anything to be happy, that's a good sign


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Re: Is severe psychosis like ego death? [Re: JoieDeVivre]
    #18808351 - 09/06/13 05:22 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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I don't see how you think that calling oneself god is egotistical but saying "oh, well everyone else is god too" makes
it less egotistical.




it levels the playing field :cookiemonster:

but really, a lot of people say things like that which is obviously coming from a place of intellectual belief, not too dissimilar from a political opinion.


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Re: Is severe psychosis like ego death? [Re: g00ru]
    #18808369 - 09/06/13 05:26 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I don't need to call myself anything

but I know that we all have a connection to god inside of us, then you just gotta figure out what that connection is :-)

and I know that most of us forget ourselves at one point in life, because of living against ourselves

we must reverse that to be reunited with god


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Re: Is severe psychosis like ego death? [Re: JoieDeVivre]
    #18808382 - 09/06/13 05:29 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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It could be.  It depends if you've had an ego death experience before.  People who are too scared to fully let go will think that THEY are god and all that stuff.  When you do let go you realize that WE are all divine beings making up this "god."  At least that's what I've learned, and if that's the case then people with psychosis could definitely undergo a sort of ego death experience.  I've been diagnosed with psychosis, yet everyone I come in contact with tells me that I am ego-less... I guess it's possible :shrug:

I think it really comes down to past experiences, drug induced or not.



Thinking we as humans are god still sounds pretty egotistical to me, and like a misinterpretation of the experience. I don't see how you think that calling oneself god is egotistical but saying "oh, well everyone else is god too" makes it less egotistical.




How is that egotistical? That's the basis of pantheism. All things are like cells of a larger body, all equally important. That sounds completely unegotistical


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Re: Is severe psychosis like ego death? [Re: danlennon3]
    #18808396 - 09/06/13 05:34 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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ego death and psychosis are worlds apart. I have experienced my fair share of both and they have very little in common. ego loss is like a way to experience the universe, which is essentially nothing-ness. Psychosis on the other hand causes you to see things in a very linear way, which in turn shuts you down from your self and reality. IME After one experiences ego death, it usually causes a positive lifestyle change. Psychosis causes a negative lifestyle changes(amongst other things) AS it's occurring.

So although the textbook definition of both things sounds similar, they honestly couldn't be further apart.




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People often seem to talk about it in a braggy way, so generally I figure that their egos are alive and well.




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Re: Is severe psychosis like ego death? [Re: vinsue]
    #18808740 - 09/06/13 06:45 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

How can you say you improved after ego death if you never had a test prior then after. I have had ego death once or twice and it fucking BLEW! the only thing that made it anyway beneficial is because I thought I was fucking dead and I was alive...just like when someone almost dies and they survive, they vow to live a better life after!


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