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Habadashery



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Re: My wife objects to using plants [Re: rikuni]
#18807300 - 09/06/13 12:27 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Double post, sorry!
Edited by Habadashery (09/06/13 12:35 PM)
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jivangilad
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Re: My wife objects to using plants [Re: Spacerific]
#18807667 - 09/06/13 02:28 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Have you tried tripping with her together? I mean both on the same plant or shroom? IMO that right there adds a far richer level to your relationship (with any human, friend, wife, whatever) than say, mumbling from the same book or hanging out at the same church / temple. Personal opinion of course, your mileage may differ.
I just want to stress that tripping alone is a lot like drinking alcohol alone (if that's the only tripping one ever does). There are very good reasons why that's seen as unhealthy, much more so than drinking socially. It's a psychological, social thing, it can lead to more alienation, rather than harmonious integration.
I don't know what can be more interesting for a couple to do, than have this kind of deep, shared experience together.        
I know what you say my friend. We have been tripping a few times together. It does add dimension to the relationship. But also reading the bible and singing worship songs together, and being in a religious community, adds a spiritual dimension to the relationship. I am just saying this things of course that apply to our specific life, and to my life. I am not saying that it will apply to your life. I can say, for example that following jesus teaching, I have learned thing that I didn't learn with the plants( and vice verse). If you feel that right now for you the psychedelic is a major issue for you, then you know. But I say as a possibility that maybe if you could try to be more open to other possibilities, things could surprise you, and you could learn other things. So for example, I already knew about plant experiences, but I didn't know much about religion, and therefore meeting my wife, I have learned things that I didn't know. So it might be easier and applying to have someone that thinks exactly the same, but sometime you might learn more from the difficulty of meeting someone that thinks differently. So you might say that you are open minded and accepts everyone, but then you hang around with people the same like you, so its not a challenge. But again this things are very personal.
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jivangilad
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Re: My wife objects to using plants [Re: Universe]
#18807676 - 09/06/13 02:30 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Universe said: If I had to choose between my wife and psychedelics, then psychedelics would get the boot. It's a no brainer.. Tripping is important to me, but having a woman who loves me and will stay with me until the end.. nothing can compare to that. I'd much rather reduce psychedelics to a memory than her.
I hope it shouldn't be either or. As other have pointed out, there might be a way which you can have both of them, with right communication, and knowing what is important to you, etc.
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Re: My wife objects to using plants [Re: jivangilad]
#18807856 - 09/06/13 03:37 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Habadashery, I think your position is a bit extreme. Not in general, but in this particular instance. OP clearly has put a lot of effort into his marriage and seems happy with other parts of it. He doesn't seem to be oppressed and persecuted in it, on all levels. This is a "my lady is afraid of plants" problem, not a "I hate my life because of her" problem, and how to leave her asap.
I'm not big on monogamy either, especially not marriage. I just think this "just dump her" approach is extreme and unrealistic in this case.
If anything, I'm sad for the wife leading her life as a bible mumbling clearhead, but yeah you can't take away people's right to torment themselves masochistically, in any way they please
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Habadashery



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Re: My wife objects to using plants [Re: Spacerific]
#18808724 - 09/06/13 06:42 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Maybe extreme, yes. But gambling your life and freedom to face the nearly impossible odds of actually parting at death. Is pretty damn extreme whether we realize it or not.
Life is a game of extremes! Play hard! There IS room for do overs in this case. Up to this guy.
Go team Shroomery!
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Re: My wife objects to using plants [Re: Habadashery]
#18809112 - 09/06/13 08:00 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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What exactly is her reason for "disliking plants?" I mean, we eat plants, they're healthy for you, I'm sure she's ok eating them at least, right? Is she against alcohol, tobacco, and caffeine? All three come from plants, sure for alcohol you need to ferment your grains, but you can't make alcohol without grains (or fruits/plants. This just makes no sense. Does disliking 'plants' imply she's ok with pharmaceuticals for that matter? All opiates come from the poppy plant. All amphetamines are related to ephedra baring plants. I really don't see the distinction tbh, it's arbitrary. Does this imply she's fine with acid? What about synthesized mescaline? I just don't get it... she realized mushrooms aren't even a plant right?
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Re: My wife objects to using plants [Re: Habadashery]
#18809347 - 09/06/13 08:54 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Habadashery said: Maybe extreme, yes. But gambling your life and freedom to face the nearly impossible odds of actually parting at death. Is pretty damn extreme whether we realize it or not.
Life is a game of extremes! Play hard! There IS room for do overs in this case. Up to this guy.
Go team Shroomery!
I'm with you 100% actually, I'm all for mushroom-powered orgy tribes like McKenna talks about, community over this weird artificial 2 humans couple idea. I can't believe Romans used to have orgies without any real birth or STD control, and we today in the 21st century are not doing anything of the sort, clinging to unbelievably misguided Christian bullshit. Believe me I get all that.
That being said, OP has made his choice of lifestyle, and that's his alone to make. He chooses to stay with this woman, of his own free will and for his own reasons. You can't really say that your ideas are better, only better for you. If you've found your nice 2 ladies and are living it up in a mushroom menage a trois, swimming in the healthy waves of tits and trips and pussy, more power to you. I follow the same path. OP has chosen otherwise, and I think we should respect that.
I only wish some more wisdom and insight on his Christian wife, that they may both end up tripping, praying, and living in harmony together for a long time, like they both wanted in the first place when they hooked up.
Good vibes OP, bring some good plant wisdom into that house
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For truly, I say to you, many prophets and righteous people longed to see what you see, and did not see it, and to hear what you hear, and did not hear it. - Matthew 13:16
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Re: My wife objects to using plants [Re: jivangilad] 1
#18809970 - 09/06/13 11:27 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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If plants are satanic then why did god put them on the earth? Bitches be crazy
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Re: My wife objects to using plants [Re: Dawks]
#18809989 - 09/06/13 11:37 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Maybe Satan put em here? Who put the mushrooms though?
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jivangilad
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Re: My wife objects to using plants [Re: krypto2000]
#19902001 - 04/26/14 06:22 AM (9 years, 9 months ago) |
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After a few months of taking Ayahuaska weekly without my wife knowing , she found out about it. She got upset and threatened divorce. But after a few days, I think she kind of started to accept it.
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Re: My wife objects to using plants [Re: jivangilad]
#19902010 - 04/26/14 06:29 AM (9 years, 9 months ago) |
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Weekly ayahuasca, huh? How high was the dose/how intense?
Thanks for the update, by the way.
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Re: My wife objects to using plants [Re: s240779]
#19902046 - 04/26/14 06:56 AM (9 years, 9 months ago) |
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Back when I was on the horse(first 2 years at university) I had a many a girlfriend with this same problem. The answer here is peer pressure, bring them to the perfect setting where they can't resist be as romantic and charming as possible. If you do it right she'll see the light and the true nature of the plants and who knows maybe she'll enjoy it. Yeah all the drinking girls in college who's parents taught them not to use "illegal substances" but all they do is down beer and whiskey all day. I turned them all into hippies. Yes I did. And they loved it!
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Dude. I would seriously be worried about someone who thinks meditation is Satanic. Seriously. Even more so to find myself married to someone like this.
Here is what I see a lot: Guys marry girls primarily for their looks and overlook certain other shortcomings. Like bitchiness, bossiness, intolerance, dogmatic attitude. Be assured that looks is never enough.
Your partner doesn't have to be just like you. But she has to understand that she is your partner, not your ruler.
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Re: My wife objects to using plants [Re: openmind]
#19903105 - 04/26/14 12:50 PM (9 years, 9 months ago) |
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openmind said: I don't understand how a person ends up in a relationship/married to someone that doesn't agree with something that they do...in this case, using psychoactive plants.
That's easy to answer. I was married a long time before I re-discovered my earlier-in-life, long-forgotten interest in psychedelics, and subsequently established a network to obtain/cultivate said plants/products and took up the pastime once again.
That's how it happens.
My solution was to keep my psychedelic use a complete secret and trip only when my wife is out of town. Her family lives 5 hours away, and she goes to see them often enough so it isn't a burden to me to wait on those occasions.
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Re: My wife objects to using plants [Re: jivangilad]
#19903397 - 04/26/14 02:11 PM (9 years, 9 months ago) |
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Spacerific said: So I have this girl that I like, we were together for a few months, then apart (she left the country, planned move since before we met) then had some more fun again for a few weeks (I was staying over) and we still totally like each other.
Now thing is, on one hand I like her just the way she is, she's IMO pretty close to perfect as girls go (as far as one can hope I mean) but on the other hand I feel sad I can't really share the psy realms with her.
I like and respect her too much to even try pushing her in this direction, I feel her keeping clean is a great option for her, on the other hand I know that having a relationship with the shared psychedelic layer, is generally deeper and more meaningful than one without it.
No idea what to do about her, just wanted to share. Anybody else in a similar place?
For me it was very important, that my partner has a spiritual path, rather then it will be the same as mine. It might get boring when you are too similar, I know from other partners I have had.. But the differences between us have made me more tolerant, and I have learned a lot, from adopting her path. I have learned a lot from following the path of jesus, rather then being arrogant, and saying that those missionaries have nothing to teach me. I dont agree with their secterianism, but I have learned a lot from it. My parents are orthodox jews, and it was important from me that she will convert to judaism, for them. It was a long and demanding proccess, and she was very sad that she had to deny jesus at one point. But she also learned from it, and me too. But it was very important for me that she follows her religion, as I know this is her spiritual path , and I have been baptised. I follow this path with her, and it adds a spiritual dimension to our relationship, and makes me more tolerant. Any way I think that my relations with the plants, is mainly with the plants, and not with others. So obviously there are difficulties in this differences, as my post imply.
I do not understand this my brother. If she is so attached to her Christian faith how could she ever deny Jesus? Wow. That is pretty outrageous if she can sit there and deny Jesus as her savior and then bitch at you for being satanic. She is in no position to ever say anything ever again. She put her faith under the bus just for a man. Ultimate truth for something so transitory and impermanent. She needs to keep her mouth shut and think about what she has done. And if you are so Jewish and non Christian you have no business getting baptized. Sounds like you both lied to your parents and manipulated people to get what you wanted. Sounds like you both have alot of thinking to do. Psychedellics are the least of your worries at this point in my opinion.
I'm editing this post now to take back the last sentance where I said psychedelics are the last of your worries, because maybe you could learn something good from it.
Edited by SixStripsDeep (04/26/14 02:32 PM)
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But I definitely am very ignorant myself, and do not have the final final answer on much in this world. So take what I said with a gain of salt. Because I could just be a worthless bumbling idiot. I don't think I'm that stupid tho but I could just be fooling myself, only time can tell.
Edited by SixStripsDeep (04/26/14 02:24 PM)
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Re: My wife objects to using plants [Re: jivangilad]
#19903590 - 04/26/14 03:16 PM (9 years, 9 months ago) |
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jivangilad said: Before marriage I have been using plants, and it cured me profoundly emotionally and mentally, and had profound spiritual experiences. I am married 7 years. I have been using plants here and there during marriage. My wife is very afraid of these and also being christian, thinks its satanic. She has become very much against it, after one time she took mushrooms with me, and had a bad trip. Partly to make peace, and after speaking with our pastor which supported her, I agreed to stop it for one year. This year is about to finish and I feel like the plants call me to use them. I just want to use the plants a few times a year, as I did before. (Trichocereus cactus, with a mix of Syrian rue seed which has similarities of effect to Ayahuska.) Any suggestions?
2 issues
1. Your wife is a Christian. EVERYTHING to them is a sin..EVERYTHING 2. You are taking orders from your wife. Be a MAN. You do have a dick, right?
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Re: My wife objects to using plants [Re: jivangilad]
#19903849 - 04/26/14 04:36 PM (9 years, 9 months ago) |
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jivangilad said: After a few months of taking Ayahuaska weekly without my wife knowing , she found out about it. She got upset and threatened divorce. But after a few days, I think she kind of started to accept it.
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How can she threaten divorce? That's against her religion. Christians have to stay together until death or its considered adultery if she leaves you and gets with another man
She can however leave you and never date anyone again
All according to her religion
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Re: My wife objects to using plants [Re: jivangilad]
#19905249 - 04/26/14 11:17 PM (9 years, 9 months ago) |
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jivangilad said: After a few months of taking Ayahuaska weekly without my wife knowing , she found out about it. She got upset and threatened divorce. But after a few days, I think she kind of started to accept it.
Let me guess- She was more pissed at you for doing it behind her back than she was at what you were doing. She's pissed because she thought you wouldn't do it, but you went ahead and did it anyway. And if you do that with psychedelics, then who knows what else you're doing. It's a trust thing. Meanwhile, you're not cheating or doing anything of the sort, so her case isn't what she thinks it is. You're not deceitful, in fact it's really the opposite. You're being honest with yourself about what you want to do. These broads - instead of making things difficult, they need to get on board.
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Re: My wife objects to using plants [Re: jivangilad]
#19905303 - 04/26/14 11:32 PM (9 years, 9 months ago) |
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Most people that are strong strong Christians are very closed minded sad but true I don't claim to be Christian nor do I claim to be aithist but I believe there is a higher power whether it be a man,women, a turtle carrying the universe on its back, or this is all just a big illusion there's something bigger people who are against psychedelics or medical plants grew up around alcohol,cigarets,crack or heroin but more people will die this year from prescribed medication than heroin and cocain combined this year and the docture don't care it's money in there pocket to pay off the payments on their new porche but on the note of bein Christian if god didn't want us to consume rue or cacti he would have made it to where it would kill us,There are men in the amazon over 130 years old who have never gone to a hospital but every time they where sick they took ayahuasca and was health the next day shit it cures anything from a cold to Parkinson's anyways that's just my 2 cents
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