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My First Grow [Monotub Log]
    #18808441 - 09/06/13 05:44 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

This is my first attempt at cube cultivation.
I wanted to first thank everyone in this community for the incredible amount of information available.


On to the grow.


I started with a spore print of berma. Transfered in open air to a syringe. I inoculated 4 quart jars of organic rye berries. Once fully colonized I g2g the 4 into 40 jars in a glovebox I made.



Once fully colonized I use the Elementary Coir tek to make 7 mono tubs. I dumped about 3/4+ of the substrate into the tubs, dumped in spawn and mixed it up very evenly, flattened it out smooth, then added the remaining substrate and flattened it smooth. I would have made 8 but one of my jars got trich, now I have 4 colonized jars sitting around.

I made one/two monotubs a day till I had them all. So they are currently at various stages of colonization.




I will update this thread and OP as I continue.





One problem I'm having is a tub starting to fruit before fully colonizing. Should I wait or take the tape off to introduce fruiting conditions?





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Re: My First Grow [Monotub Log] [Re: BlackieChan]
    #18808528 - 09/06/13 06:02 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Did you use a top later of coir to cover the grains? If you did then maybe that's why that one is pinning because everything under that layer may be fully colonized. If that's the case I would definitely introduce fruiting conditions. One other thing I want to point out is the horrible results I had with those purple tubs once. When you introduce fruiting conditions to those you should lose purple lids and replace them with press and seal.


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Re: My First Grow [Monotub Log] [Re: bulkgrownoob]
    #18808576 - 09/06/13 06:12 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Just found this on a website about lighting principles:

" Lets say we have a blue box. When light hits the box, all of the wavelengths are absorbed except for blue, which is reflected. This is why we see the box as blue."

The light required by mushrooms for pinning is in the blue spectrum. Those purple boxes are too close to that spectrum and reflect the blue spectrum of light instead of absorbing it/allowing it to pass through


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Re: My First Grow [Monotub Log] [Re: BlackieChan]
    #18808588 - 09/06/13 06:14 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I have this theory about the premature pinning. The tub was on top and I'm thinking that without the weight of other tubs on top of it, it was getting to much FAE through the loose fitting lid. I transfered the tub to the bottom of the stack and 16 hours later the new top has a pin emerging. Now the new top is the most colonized so it might be a coincidence.

So if this is the case should i throw some weights on top of the top tubs?


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Re: My First Grow [Monotub Log] [Re: bulkgrownoob]
    #18808605 - 09/06/13 06:17 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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bulkgrownoob said:
Did you use a top later of coir to cover the grains? If you did then maybe that's why that one is pinning because everything under that layer may be fully colonized. If that's the case I would definitely introduce fruiting conditions. One other thing I want to point out is the horrible results I had with those purple tubs once. When you introduce fruiting conditions to those you should lose purple lids and replace them with press and seal.





I did add a top later, and I adjusted my OP according. As to the purple tubs, I went to 4 Wal-Marts and couldn't find anything else so I gave up. I figured I would try and if the results aren't up to par I will replace them.

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bulkgrownoob said:
Just found this on a website about lighting principles:

" Lets say we have a blue box. When light hits the box, all of the wavelengths are absorbed except for blue, which is reflected. This is why we see the box as blue."

The light required by mushrooms for pinning is in the blue spectrum. Those purple boxes are too close to that spectrum and reflect the blue spectrum of light instead of absorbing it/allowing it to pass through




I completely agree with this concept. I'm just hoping that since the tubs are transparent and not a solid color and that they are closer to the red of purple than the blue that enough of the blue spectrum will be allowed through.


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Re: My First Grow [Monotub Log] [Re: BlackieChan]
    #18808653 - 09/06/13 06:24 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I can't see the clear bins too well in the pics but are those the sterilite bins with latching lids? That's what myself and most people on here use and never have premature pinning in bins without anything weighing them down. And as far as the purple bins I'm just trying to help you with what I suggested.. You can try if you'd like without altering the lids but there was a time when I had 5 purple bins, 5 light green ones(same kind as the purple) and 5 clear ones. The clear and light green all gave me 4+ oz dry each. Purples gave me about 7-14g each


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Re: My First Grow [Monotub Log] [Re: bulkgrownoob]
    #18810125 - 09/07/13 12:47 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

bump


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Re: My First Grow [Monotub Log] [Re: BlackieChan]
    #18810291 - 09/07/13 02:20 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I've read that if it pins you should fruit it. Don't know enough to tell you why it pinned but ya, just fruit those IMO. You can use a spawn:substrate of even 1:10, so you could use those leftover jars. Or just throw them in some dirt and see what happens. Best of luck!


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Re: My First Grow [Monotub Log] [Re: BlackieChan]
    #18810297 - 09/07/13 02:22 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Sweet grow. Did you keep them in the dark when the tubs were colonising?


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Re: My First Grow [Monotub Log] [Re: Chilled]
    #18811082 - 09/07/13 10:22 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Did you use a top later of coir to cover the grains? If you did then maybe that's why that one is pinning because everything under that layer may be fully colonized. If that's the case I would definitely introduce fruiting conditions. One other thing I want to point out is the horrible results I had with those purple tubs once. When you introduce fruiting conditions to those you should lose purple lids and replace them with press and seal.

The light required by mushrooms for pinning is in the blue spectrum. Those purple boxes are too close to that spectrum and reflect the blue spectrum of light instead of absorbing it/allowing it to pass through




no. just no. The monotubs in my sig are blue. Point disproven.


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I've read that if it pins you should fruit it. Don't know enough to tell you why it pinned but ya, just fruit those IMO. You can use a spawn:substrate of even 1:10, so you could use those leftover jars. Or just throw them in some dirt and see what happens. Best of luck!




Good God. Please don't post if you don't know what you're talking about. Throw them in some dirt and see what happens? :smbfacepalm:

Quote:

I have this theory about the premature pinning. The tub was on top and I'm thinking that without the weight of other tubs on top of it, it was getting to much FAE through the loose fitting lid. I transfered the tub to the bottom of the stack and 16 hours later the new top has a pin emerging. Now the new top is the most colonized so it might be a coincidence.




Light isn't your problem. Please, don't take everything you read on here to heart. Half of it is incorrect and you're gonna get yourself in trouble trying to follow bad advice.

Your theory here with the FAE is what I was going to say. A substrate will only produce fruit when there is some sort of air exchange, even the slightest.

One thing you could try if you're using a trash bag liner to reduce side pinning is to cut the bag after full colonization. Just tie the bag shut (it doesn't have to be tight) right after you mix the spawn and right before you set the tub into colonization, set the lid on the monotub and then wait. You're pretty much guaranteed that you won't have early FAE in order to make up for those loose lids.

As a temporary solution, you could set your tubs individually inside a trash bag and tie it shut? Not sure how far you are on colonization by the pictures, so I'm not sure that will have any effect this late in the game.

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So if this is the case should i throw some weights on top of the top tubs?




If the tubs are stacked and the top tub is the only one showing pins then yes, this is what I would do. Remember not to open them before full colonization or you're setting yourself up for failure, whether it's contamination or early pinning.


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Re: My First Grow [Monotub Log] [Re: Midnight Cyclone]
    #18811174 - 09/07/13 10:59 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

If you're tub is fruiting before full colonization than it is most likely contamed. Probably bacteria. You can and should go ahead and put it into fruiting conditions.

Midnight Cyclone said:
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Remember not to open them before full colonization or you're setting yourself up for failure, whether it's contamination or early pinning




This is incorrect. You can open it up to take a peek or a pic. It will not hurt a thing


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Re: My First Grow [Monotub Log] [Re: Midnight Cyclone]
    #18812014 - 09/07/13 03:44 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Midnight Cyclone said:


Quote:

I've read that if it pins you should fruit it. Don't know enough to tell you why it pinned but ya, just fruit those IMO. You can use a spawn:substrate of even 1:10, so you could use those leftover jars. Or just throw them in some dirt and see what happens. Best of luck!




Good God. Please don't post if you don't know what you're talking about. Throw them in some dirt and see what happens? :smbfacepalm:





I was just throwing out an idea, not a recommended strategy. I did it and it give me fruits and it's fun to see them grow outdoors. But the extra jars he has is off-topic so nevermind.


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Re: My First Grow [Monotub Log] [Re: verbineus]
    #18812834 - 09/07/13 08:02 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

thank you all for the responses.

it's good to hear about the blue monotubs growing, that's a relief.


the premature pins won't stop growing so I introduced fruiting conditions.



Polyfil and oscillating fan.



Hoping for the best.:mushroom2:



Quote:

Chilled said:
Sweet grow. Did you keep them in the dark when the tubs were colonising?




No i kept them as is. They are in my bedroom because I have no where else to put them. I have CFL lights that are on intermittently through out the day, as well as sunlight coming in indirectly through the closed blinds on my windows.


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Re: My First Grow [Monotub Log] [Re: BlackieChan]
    #18812850 - 09/07/13 08:06 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

BlackieChan said:
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the premature pins won't stop growing so I introduced fruiting conditions




:thumbup:


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Re: My First Grow [Monotub Log] [Re: Stromrider]
    #18814243 - 09/08/13 07:53 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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psillyshroomer said:
If you're tub is fruiting before full colonization than it is most likely contamed. Probably bacteria. You can and should go ahead and put it into fruiting conditions.

Midnight Cyclone said:
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Remember not to open them before full colonization or you're setting yourself up for failure, whether it's contamination or early pinning




This is incorrect. You can open it up to take a peek or a pic. It will not hurt a thing




Maybe you didn't understand. Remember not to open them your tubs before full colonization.

It will hurt something. It will hurt the substrate's chance to reach full colonization before pins show up. Which is in some terms failure because the main pinning triggers are 100% colonization, introduction of FAE, and evaporation off the substrate which comes with FAE.

Your substrate may not completely fail because of opening the tub before full colonization, but you will cut short the potential that substrate has because it's missing part of the equation for best results (100% colonization). Think about it, you won't receive any sort of even pinset from a substrate which isn't fully colonized.


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Re: My First Grow [Monotub Log] [Re: Midnight Cyclone]
    #18814260 - 09/08/13 08:01 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Midnight Cyclone said:
Quote:

psillyshroomer said:
If you're tub is fruiting before full colonization than it is most likely contamed. Probably bacteria. You can and should go ahead and put it into fruiting conditions.

Midnight Cyclone said:
Quote:

Remember not to open them before full colonization or you're setting yourself up for failure, whether it's contamination or early pinning




This is incorrect. You can open it up to take a peek or a pic. It will not hurt a thing




Maybe you didn't understand. Remember not to open them your tubs before full colonization.

It will hurt something. It will hurt the substrate's chance to reach full colonization before pins show up. Which is in some terms failure because the main pinning triggers are 100% colonization, introduction of FAE, and evaporation off the substrate which comes with FAE.

Your substrate may not completely fail because of opening the tub before full colonization, but you will cut short the potential that substrate has because it's missing part of the equation for best results (100% colonization). Think about it, you won't receive any sort of even pinset from a substrate which isn't fully colonized.




Whatever you say dude. I'm not in the mood to argue this early. Btw I understood you just fine.

You should read this. A lot of good info here:
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/18784975#18784975


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Re: My First Grow [Monotub Log] [Re: Stromrider]
    #18814289 - 09/08/13 08:22 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Whatever you say dude. I'm not in the mood to argue this early.




Why can't I have a discussion without someone thinking I am trying to argue? You tried to disprove a statement I made, and I did the same thing to you.

Thank you for that link btw, it will help answer the OP's question. You should have just posted that in the first place instead of "arguing" with me. :lol:

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Should I wait or take the tape off to introduce fruiting conditions?




From FrankHorrigan himself: (the link that psilly posted)

■Pinning before full colonization is a sign that the mycelium can't find any more "food" to consume. This is usually indicative of contamination.


■If your bulk substrate is pinning prior to full colonization, you can and should put it into fruiting conditions.


■A good way to test a spawn jar for contams is to break it up at full colonization and not open it. Check it in 48 hours and see if it has recovered properly. If not, toss it.

:thumbup:

EDIT: the first bullet is in assumption that you have a proper tub with no FAE during the colonization period.

■Bulk substrate is less nutritious than PF cakes and can be fruited at 100%. As fresh air is the number one pinning trigger, it is important to give it what it needs as soon as possible for best results.


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Re: My First Grow [Monotub Log] [Re: Midnight Cyclone]
    #18814298 - 09/08/13 08:25 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Sorry you will have to excuse me this morning. I am kind of tired and grumpy. I got a new puppy that refuses to let me sleep :crazy:


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Re: My First Grow [Monotub Log] [Re: Stromrider]
    #18814305 - 09/08/13 08:30 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Frank just made that list of tips and tricks the other day. I think it is genius. It is all answers of the most common mycology ques on here. It should be in bold letters at the top of the cult forum. I kind of feel like a douche when I link someone to it but I feel like people should take a look. It is good stuff man!


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Re: My First Grow [Monotub Log] [Re: Stromrider]
    #18815748 - 09/08/13 03:59 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

These are growing pretty fast. I'm upset about the non-even pinset, but it's my first time so I'm not too worried.


Also I'm getting side pins from not using a liner.



When making the tubs I was thinking I could take a short cut and tape the outside, then I learned that it's not the light triggering the pins. That's why the other tubs have no tape. With my next grow I'm going to use liners. I will be taking a live tissue sample from a large mushroom and making some liquid culture.


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