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Eastern & Western worldviews 2
#18808596 - 09/06/13 06:15 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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i feel like eastern worldviews are too focused on passiveness and world denial (meditation, fasting, chastity, self-sacrifice etc) and western worldviews are too overly focused on our active relationship to the external (material goods, excessive use of technology, sexual obsession/vanity, fast paced lifestyles etc.) i feel to be truly sane you have to strike the perfect balance between east(passive) and west(active) in your worldview. -/+. i know i just generalized the shit out of the entire eastern and western parts of the world but that's kind of how i see it lol. they're almost like polar opposites to each other in terms of values, from an overall perspective.
this is also why eastern ideas have become so popular in the west...because we live overly fast-paced, materially obsessed lifestyles. so we need a little bit of that eastern wisdom to balance it out lol. the key is to stay *balanced* though! if you go too eastern you end up a hermit in your room, denying the entire material world. i don't recommend that to anyone!
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Re: Eastern & Western worldviews [Re: resonant111]
#18808735 - 09/06/13 06:43 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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There is not much sex in India, the most densely populated country in the world.
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OrgoneConclusion said: There is not much sex in India, the most densely populated country in the world.

yea if people think christianity is harsh on sex move to india. NO COMPARISON lol.
that's why they're popping all those babies out...the more repressed you are the more your body wants sex lol.
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Re: Eastern & Western worldviews [Re: resonant111]
#18809426 - 09/06/13 09:13 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I think he's suggesting that Indians are anything but hermits, on account of the plethora of people.
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Re: Eastern & Western worldviews [Re: resonant111]
#18810750 - 09/07/13 08:08 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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resonant111 said:
...the more repressed you are the more your body wants sex lol.
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Re: Eastern & Western worldviews [Re: skippyluvs]
#18817660 - 09/09/13 02:04 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I love people who espouse broad generalizations about a group of 3? billion people's world views based on living in a completely different place for most likely 99.99% of their lives. Go to downtown bangkok, hong kong, or tokyo and tell me you don't see materialism. Yes, go to burma or laos and things will be different, but you are still making a huge generalization here about people's worldviews. And whenever i hear this comparison, no one ever says a single thing about africa, south america, russia, pacific islands, or the middle east... does no one in these places have a valid life philosophy/lifestyle that we care about?
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Re: Eastern & Western worldviews [Re: resonant111] 1
#18818952 - 09/09/13 01:42 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I see where you're coming from, its best not to subscribe to any philosophy. No matter how close it is to your line of reasoning at a particular moment, there is no point to doing so. Critiquing individual issues and the correlations between them, forming your own worldview is far less convenient and basically as time consuming as eating but its more flexible and IME efficient.
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Re: Eastern & Western worldviews [Re: Repertoire89]
#18819350 - 09/09/13 03:37 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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In the West God is transcendent and mostly aims to fuck you over for some reason, he's some asshole demiurge. In the East God is man and redeems himself from the illusion of Maya, this is his divine game.
I have no idea what the West was thinking, they were probably just going on some guy's attempt to control the population with some insane ideas. They sounded pretty good even after the insane guy died of his syphilis or whatever so they kept them going and even murdered whole populations over this syphilis guy and his ideas.
lol humans.
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Re: Eastern & Western worldviews [Re: circastes]
#18819646 - 09/09/13 04:52 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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circastes said: In the West God is transcendent and mostly aims to fuck you over for some reason, he's some asshole demiurge. In the East God is man and redeems himself from the illusion of Maya, this is his divine game.
I have no idea what the West was thinking, they were probably just going on some guy's attempt to control the population with some insane ideas. They sounded pretty good even after the insane guy died of his syphilis or whatever so they kept them going and even murdered whole populations over this syphilis guy and his ideas.
lol humans.
Asia, very peaceful unbrainwashed people.
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Re: Eastern & Western worldviews [Re: resonant111]
#18820172 - 09/09/13 06:56 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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resonant111 said: i feel like eastern worldviews are too focused on passiveness and world denial (meditation, fasting, chastity, self-sacrifice etc) and western worldviews are too overly focused on our active relationship to the external (material goods, excessive use of technology, sexual obsession/vanity, fast paced lifestyles etc.) i feel to be truly sane you have to strike the perfect balance between east(passive) and west(active) in your worldview. -/+. i know i just generalized the shit out of the entire eastern and western parts of the world but that's kind of how i see it lol. they're almost like polar opposites to each other in terms of values, from an overall perspective.
this is also why eastern ideas have become so popular in the west...because we live overly fast-paced, materially obsessed lifestyles. so we need a little bit of that eastern wisdom to balance it out lol. the key is to stay *balanced* though! if you go too eastern you end up a hermit in your room, denying the entire material world. i don't recommend that to anyone! 
If you live in America you can choose whatever kind of life you wish.
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Re: Eastern & Western worldviews [Re: Repertoire89]
#18820995 - 09/09/13 09:43 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Repertoire89 said:
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circastes said: In the West God is transcendent and mostly aims to fuck you over for some reason, he's some asshole demiurge. In the East God is man and redeems himself from the illusion of Maya, this is his divine game.
I have no idea what the West was thinking, they were probably just going on some guy's attempt to control the population with some insane ideas. They sounded pretty good even after the insane guy died of his syphilis or whatever so they kept them going and even murdered whole populations over this syphilis guy and his ideas.
lol humans.
Asia, very peaceful unbrainwashed people.
Right 
Well I don't usually know what I'm talking about so there.
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Re: Eastern & Western worldviews [Re: circastes]
#18821188 - 09/09/13 10:38 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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You seem good enough for me
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Re: Eastern & Western worldviews [Re: Repertoire89]
#18824898 - 09/10/13 07:27 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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One can't discuss western vs. eastern thought without thinking about history and human behavior and how these things evolve to create the present. What I see often is people will discuss one aspect while ignoring some other important (but ignored) aspect. I mean if you really went back in time to a particular age in the past what will you find? The same types of behaviors that we see today is what you will find. What I mean is culture and human behavior are connected. I bet all human behavior you see today also existed in the past. A "king" may act certain way culturally, behaviorally he will do some universal things.
But then why is the west a certain way? One of the major reasons--the development of the scientific method during a crucial period of exploration and mercantilism (e.g once you bootstrapped a certain thing it will just keep on rolling) Sure certain philosophical outlooks does affect a culture but all the right conditions had to be there to create the present. I'm not saying it's 100% random; I believe extremal actions can happen to things outside of physics based on the fact that reality seem to be a series of causes and effects, meaning constraints, meaning systems, meaning extremal actions under constraints for any system that exists in reality can happen--or at the right place under the right set of cause and effects.
So yeah, history.
What is thought anyway? The 1800 century had one interpretation just as the 21st century has a different evolved outlook. Without really studying this subject in depth it's really hard to say anything about East vs. West without sounding like a complete jackass.
People always talking about "east vs. west" without any deep research into the matter. They always talk about one aspect while completely ignoring some other important aspect. Most of the time their ideas may sound good, but then you think about it, they are totally ignoring another aspect which directly affect/change their thesis. They just don't know enough about everything to really talk about something big like "east vs. west," at least from what I've seen in normal internet discussions on "east vs. the west."
2cent.
I think this whole east vs. west thing is really just more of the "guru" thinking.
Eastern thought and culture--some high minded bullshit + philosophy of farmers.
Philosophy of farmers and high-minded fuck heads = eastern thought.
The West: can talk shit about everyone but really it's because teh science. (without the merchantilism leading to science or however the fuck you lead to science; no the usual east vs. west dicussion, period.)
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Re: Eastern & Western worldviews [Re: handwaveee]
#18824924 - 09/10/13 07:34 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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My point is--fuck philosophy man. Anytime you get a bunch of farmers together, they will think about farmer shit. "Normal" people don't practice western hippie "eastern" thought man, they think about how many cows I can raise or how many kids can I pump out so they can grow me more cows and more kids. They think they need to do this so they don't goto hell when they die (well exchange that will some eastern version of that).
Eastern philosphy as practiced by the common man is "folk" philosphy.
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Re: Eastern & Western worldviews [Re: handwaveee]
#18824934 - 09/10/13 07:36 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Just looking at some Indian religion stuff, it's just a bunch of icongraphy, magical thinking shit that appeals to the farmers looking to fuck his wife.
Same way with say Taoism. They may have some bullshit, but do the normal "folks" do? They inject all kinds of ghost and sprites and immortals into that shit.
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Re: Eastern & Western worldviews [Re: handwaveee]
#18836626 - 09/13/13 11:51 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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the real western world view.
"haha you 1.4 billion chinaman living like pigs (wait ya'll are pigs), polluting my land, fucking up animals. FUCK YOU. LOL"
"But hey when I was 14 I enjoyed reading that Tao Te CHINK. LOL"
"BTW, go back home chicken chow mein"
a little later after a few drinks
"fuck, I will kill your WHOLE RACE!" (real convo I 've had)
all real instances of relating to "western vs eastern world view"
basically you are FULL OF SHIT. You heart is full of homicide. That's the truth.
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Re: Eastern & Western worldviews [Re: handwaveee]
#18836754 - 09/13/13 12:15 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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don't forget "never trust them"
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Re: Eastern & Western worldviews [Re: handwaveee]
#18836820 - 09/13/13 12:33 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Nobody trusts anyone and everyones heart is full of lies and hate. Paint a pretty picture where at least one 'side' is 'good' and you can make it all go away and give yourself a clear cut enemy to boot! After all, dreams are what love is made of right?
When it comes to the lofty idealism East and West has their differences, though there are plenty of similarities between Christ and Buddha. Bring it down to the level of culture and you find things are even closer. Twisted views of honor, pride, nationalism, battle of the sexes, etc. and you'll find rape, murder, shady drug cultures, cooked books, slavery and social categorizations, religious holier than though behavior and a bunch of hocus pocus along with a fair number of racists fucks.
But people find it very difficult to measure those similarities against the perceived differences. Pulling the trigger to find shattered glass rather than a dead body isn't a very nice dream! What is your heart full of?
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Re: Eastern & Western worldviews [Re: handwaveee]
#18837090 - 09/13/13 02:00 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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handwaveee said: the real western world view.
"haha you 1.4 billion chinaman living like pigs (wait ya'll are pigs), polluting my land, fucking up animals. FUCK YOU. LOL"
"But hey when I was 14 I enjoyed reading that Tao Te CHINK. LOL"
"BTW, go back home chicken chow mein"
a little later after a few drinks
"fuck, I will kill your WHOLE RACE!" (real convo I 've had)
all real instances of relating to "western vs eastern world view"
basically you are FULL OF SHIT. You heart is full of homicide. That's the truth.
Same could be said if you bothered to flip the tables, in debate class the first thing we learned was to argue from both perspectives regardless of the one we initially supported. Before drawing a conclusion look at both sides and make the best argument you can make, aim to refute the other one as well
From either side of the table I see the same madness
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Re: Eastern & Western worldviews [Re: Repertoire89]
#18837186 - 09/13/13 02:25 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I have no problem accepting reality for what it is. I'm sick and tired of you people when having discussions such as this, ignores an entire side of the story. You talk about how these high ideal shit but a min ago you just called me a chink. We can't have a real discussion when a part of you think me as a dog, and at the same time ignore this aspect of you thinking in your debate with me. So how can I have a real debate when a part of you thought process and action is hidden from debate.
So how can I be sure of exactly how you feel when you hide shit?
So how can I go about acting normal when most of you hide these feelings?
Now apart from trying to do my job, I got to think about whether this person thinks I"m their dog.
BTW it's not just some racist people. No. these things are ingrained in your thinking and culture. You don't even realize you are doing it.
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