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Re: My experience of ego death and gaining a little enlightenment. Which cause much confusion. Thoughts? [Re: endogenous]
    #18796817 - 09/03/13 10:02 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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I believe the Bible says to stay away from things like this. It isn't God honoring.





Not sure what you are thinking that the Bible says to stay away from?




Sorry, that was very vague. I meant pursuing things such as ego death. This spiritual stuff. And all these other things that I can't even begin to explain or list. Going to different dimensions and (supposedly) talking to spirits. Stuff like that, that I've been hearing some people say they do.


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Re: My experience of ego death and gaining a little enlightenment. Which cause much confusion. Thoughts? [Re: HannahMichelle]
    #18796918 - 09/03/13 10:18 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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HannahMichelle said:
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HannahMichelle said:

I believe the Bible says to stay away from things like this. It isn't God honoring.





Not sure what you are thinking that the Bible says to stay away from?




Sorry, that was very vague. I meant pursuing things such as ego death. This spiritual stuff. And all these other things that I can't even begin to explain or list. Going to different dimensions and (supposedly) talking to spirits. Stuff like that, that I've been hearing some people say they do.




That sort of stuff is overrated and can't be proven to be anything other than tapping into a part of your brain that makes you hallucinate and believe weird shit


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Re: My experience of ego death and gaining a little enlightenment. Which cause much confusion. Thoughts? [Re: HannahMichelle]
    #18797224 - 09/03/13 11:23 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

This experience moved me, perhaps the only thing human beings will ever truly have in common with one-another is not so much the ability, or the option -- but the inevitability of death. And that's okay. You had a glimpse at what you saw was wrong, and let me just tell you... it's all wrong. All of it. You can't even put your finger on it because if you do, you're wrong!

You see, the dynamic of this thing we call life, or experience, doesn't begin with duality (as Christians reciprocate in Genesis), or even in unity. Experience begins... well, with lack thereof. Void -- formlessness. Absolution in its most perfect form. When we experience ego death, we are dissolved by this fact, and become 'united' with all of consciousness, or 'God'. God does not speak, or even think. God is. That's all there is. If it ain't nothing, it's something! Hahah. Thence begins duality (the question of is, or isn't).

Let me put it this way... if God has a name, a face. A detail! A description! It's not god. It's an 'entity' or 'ego-god'. The extra-dimensional manifestation of god -- broken down and reduced into a limited but nevertheless multidimensional frequency. It might be of a higher conscious matrix than ours (as above, so below, spheres within spheres, etc.), a higher or lower level of reality than ours (comparison of sub-atomic physics, or quantum physics, to relative physics which deal with atomic mass and gravity), but it only is what it is. The ego-god. It would be like saying your best friend Jesus of Nazareth IS God (OHWAIT), when in fact he would have personally shrank from that title, because that would mean assuming a title or lord-ship (the Ba'al god complex), when he knew he was only a son of god residing within the heart of the universal consciousness (Christ consciousness, the Buddhic state, the extra-dimensional being). Anything other than source, is just an illusion within its magnificence, and something to be looked at so that you can attribute value to it. You can't put your finger on the source of all things because there is no capacity to see outside of it. Whatever you manifest is only an illusion that is projected from your current perspective within the universal consciousness. Basically, everyone here is right! They all have their own opinion, their own perception of reality, but only God truly knows that everything around him is bullshit. It's not there. He is the only thing that truly 'is' around US, and if it isn't a pure expression of that consciousness, there really is nothing else around it. If heaven could be described as reaching unity with the isth'nus -- hell would be the entrapment in  an interpretation of his holy frequency (a dimension), no matter how nice you might think it is for a time, it's still the ego! It's like having one picture in your head, or one identity, for all eternity. I mean, it might not seem like hell, this life isn't so bad, right? That's why the Church started calling it Purgatory. Re-experience. REINCARNATION. A series of 'second' chances to comprehend your energetic frequencies, and their respective place within the one frequency, or 'OM'. That place within the consciousness is the ego, and when you dissolve it, your place is understood.

I didn't put down all I have to say, but I hope this helps you, and maybe caused others to question even more of what they 'think' they know. That you know you know nothing about god, except your place within him and that it is good, is enough to be more than all the grains of sand on all the world's beaches and deserts!.:wink:


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Re: My experience of ego death and gaining a little enlightenment. Which cause much confusion. Thoughts? [Re: HannahMichelle]
    #18797335 - 09/03/13 11:46 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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HannahMichelle said:
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HannahMichelle said:

I believe the Bible says to stay away from things like this. It isn't God honoring.





Not sure what you are thinking that the Bible says to stay away from?




Sorry, that was very vague. I meant pursuing things such as ego death. This spiritual stuff. And all these other things that I can't even begin to explain or list. Going to different dimensions and (supposedly) talking to spirits. Stuff like that, that I've been hearing some people say they do.




Actually, my belief is that "ego" death is what the writers of the Bible were aiming at.

Since you have been brought to true life with Christ, you must look for the things that are in heaven, where Christ is, sitting at God's right hand. Let your thoughts be on heavenly things, not on the things that are on earth, because you have died, and now the life you have is hidden with Christ in God. -- Colossians, 3, 1

But what is the ego?

St. John, 1, 9: The true Light, that enlightens every person, was coming into the world. They were in the world, -- the world that existed through Them, and the world didn't recognize Them. They came to Their own folk, and Their own folk didn't accept Them. But to those who have accepted Them, They gave the right to become the Children of God, that is to those who believe in Their Name: who owe this birth of theirs to God and not to the flesh, or the impulses of the flesh, nor of the will of humans, but to God.

To me, the ego is dead when a person accepts the Name of God. And that Name is Entheogens. Then they are "born from God".

That is what, (I believe), Entheogens are leading to.


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Re: My experience of ego death and gaining a little enlightenment. Which cause much confusion. Thoughts? [Re: endogenous]
    #18797819 - 09/04/13 02:58 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

The problem with bible quotes is that the bible can literally be quoted to support any statement.

They are already open to a huge range of interpretations when they are in their context, even more so when they are ripped out of their context.


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Re: My experience of ego death and gaining a little enlightenment. Which cause much confusion. Thoughts? [Re: Prolific Mycognome]
    #18801172 - 09/04/13 09:38 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Prolific Mycognome said:
This experience moved me, perhaps the only thing human beings will ever truly have in common with one-another is not so much the ability, or the option -- but the inevitability of death. And that's okay. You had a glimpse at what you saw was wrong, and let me just tell you... it's all wrong. All of it. You can't even put your finger on it because if you do, you're wrong!

You see, the dynamic of this thing we call life, or experience, doesn't begin with duality (as Christians reciprocate in Genesis), or even in unity. Experience begins... well, with lack thereof. Void -- formlessness. Absolution in its most perfect form. When we experience ego death, we are dissolved by this fact, and become 'united' with all of consciousness, or 'God'. God does not speak, or even think. God is. That's all there is. If it ain't nothing, it's something! Hahah. Thence begins duality (the question of is, or isn't).

Let me put it this way... if God has a name, a face. A detail! A description! It's not god. It's an 'entity' or 'ego-god'. The extra-dimensional manifestation of god -- broken down and reduced into a limited but nevertheless multidimensional frequency. It might be of a higher conscious matrix than ours (as above, so below, spheres within spheres, etc.), a higher or lower level of reality than ours (comparison of sub-atomic physics, or quantum physics, to relative physics which deal with atomic mass and gravity), but it only is what it is. The ego-god. It would be like saying your best friend Jesus of Nazareth IS God (OHWAIT), when in fact he would have personally shrank from that title, because that would mean assuming a title or lord-ship (the Ba'al god complex), when he knew he was only a son of god residing within the heart of the universal consciousness (Christ consciousness, the Buddhic state, the extra-dimensional being). Anything other than source, is just an illusion within its magnificence, and something to be looked at so that you can attribute value to it. You can't put your finger on the source of all things because there is no capacity to see outside of it. Whatever you manifest is only an illusion that is projected from your current perspective within the universal consciousness. Basically, everyone here is right! They all have their own opinion, their own perception of reality, but only God truly knows that everything around him is bullshit. It's not there. He is the only thing that truly 'is' around US, and if it isn't a pure expression of that consciousness, there really is nothing else around it. If heaven could be described as reaching unity with the isth'nus -- hell would be the entrapment in  an interpretation of his holy frequency (a dimension), no matter how nice you might think it is for a time, it's still the ego! It's like having one picture in your head, or one identity, for all eternity. I mean, it might not seem like hell, this life isn't so bad, right? That's why the Church started calling it Purgatory. Re-experience. REINCARNATION. A series of 'second' chances to comprehend your energetic frequencies, and their respective place within the one frequency, or 'OM'. That place within the consciousness is the ego, and when you dissolve it, your place is understood.

I didn't put down all I have to say, but I hope this helps you, and maybe caused others to question even more of what they 'think' they know. That you know you know nothing about god, except your place within him and that it is good, is enough to be more than all the grains of sand on all the world's beaches and deserts!.:wink:





Thanks for your response and giving me this to think about! (:


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Re: My experience of ego death and gaining a little enlightenment. Which cause much confusion. Thoughts? [Re: Prolific Mycognome]
    #18802209 - 09/05/13 06:05 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Prolific Mycognome said:
This experience moved me, perhaps the only thing human beings will ever truly have in common with one-another is not so much the ability, or the option -- but the inevitability of death. And that's okay. You had a glimpse at what you saw was wrong, and let me just tell you... it's all wrong. All of it. You can't even put your finger on it because if you do, you're wrong!

You see, the dynamic of this thing we call life, or experience, doesn't begin with duality (as Christians reciprocate in Genesis), or even in unity. Experience begins... well, with lack thereof. Void -- formlessness. Absolution in its most perfect form. When we experience ego death, we are dissolved by this fact, and become 'united' with all of consciousness, or 'God'. God does not speak, or even think. God is. That's all there is. If it ain't nothing, it's something! Hahah. Thence begins duality (the question of is, or isn't).

Let me put it this way... if God has a name, a face. A detail! A description! It's not god. It's an 'entity' or 'ego-god'. The extra-dimensional manifestation of god -- broken down and reduced into a limited but nevertheless multidimensional frequency. It might be of a higher conscious matrix than ours (as above, so below, spheres within spheres, etc.), a higher or lower level of reality than ours (comparison of sub-atomic physics, or quantum physics, to relative physics which deal with atomic mass and gravity), but it only is what it is. The ego-god. It would be like saying your best friend Jesus of Nazareth IS God (OHWAIT), when in fact he would have personally shrank from that title, because that would mean assuming a title or lord-ship (the Ba'al god complex), when he knew he was only a son of god residing within the heart of the universal consciousness (Christ consciousness, the Buddhic state, the extra-dimensional being). Anything other than source, is just an illusion within its magnificence, and something to be looked at so that you can attribute value to it. You can't put your finger on the source of all things because there is no capacity to see outside of it. Whatever you manifest is only an illusion that is projected from your current perspective within the universal consciousness. Basically, everyone here is right! They all have their own opinion, their own perception of reality, but only God truly knows that everything around him is bullshit. It's not there. He is the only thing that truly 'is' around US, and if it isn't a pure expression of that consciousness, there really is nothing else around it. If heaven could be described as reaching unity with the isth'nus -- hell would be the entrapment in  an interpretation of his holy frequency (a dimension), no matter how nice you might think it is for a time, it's still the ego! It's like having one picture in your head, or one identity, for all eternity. I mean, it might not seem like hell, this life isn't so bad, right? That's why the Church started calling it Purgatory. Re-experience. REINCARNATION. A series of 'second' chances to comprehend your energetic frequencies, and their respective place within the one frequency, or 'OM'. That place within the consciousness is the ego, and when you dissolve it, your place is understood.

I didn't put down all I have to say, but I hope this helps you, and maybe caused others to question even more of what they 'think' they know. That you know you know nothing about god, except your place within him and that it is good, is enough to be more than all the grains of sand on all the world's beaches and deserts!.:wink:




This is an excellent post. This is how it is.


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Re: My experience of ego death and gaining a little enlightenment. Which cause much confusion. Thoughts? [Re: HannahMichelle]
    #18802242 - 09/05/13 06:25 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Prolific Mycognome said:
This experience moved me, perhaps the only thing human beings will ever truly have in common with one-another is not so much the ability, or the option -- but the inevitability of death. And that's okay. You had a glimpse at what you saw was wrong, and let me just tell you... it's all wrong. All of it. You can't even put your finger on it because if you do, you're wrong!

You see, the dynamic of this thing we call life, or experience, doesn't begin with duality (as Christians reciprocate in Genesis), or even in unity. Experience begins... well, with lack thereof. Void -- formlessness. Absolution in its most perfect form. When we experience ego death, we are dissolved by this fact, and become 'united' with all of consciousness, or 'God'. God does not speak, or even think. God is. That's all there is. If it ain't nothing, it's something! Hahah. Thence begins duality (the question of is, or isn't).

Let me put it this way... if God has a name, a face. A detail! A description! It's not god. It's an 'entity' or 'ego-god'. The extra-dimensional manifestation of god -- broken down and reduced into a limited but nevertheless multidimensional frequency. It might be of a higher conscious matrix than ours (as above, so below, spheres within spheres, etc.), a higher or lower level of reality than ours (comparison of sub-atomic physics, or quantum physics, to relative physics which deal with atomic mass and gravity), but it only is what it is. The ego-god. It would be like saying your best friend Jesus of Nazareth IS God (OHWAIT), when in fact he would have personally shrank from that title, because that would mean assuming a title or lord-ship (the Ba'al god complex), when he knew he was only a son of god residing within the heart of the universal consciousness (Christ consciousness, the Buddhic state, the extra-dimensional being). Anything other than source, is just an illusion within its magnificence, and something to be looked at so that you can attribute value to it. You can't put your finger on the source of all things because there is no capacity to see outside of it. Whatever you manifest is only an illusion that is projected from your current perspective within the universal consciousness. Basically, everyone here is right! They all have their own opinion, their own perception of reality, but only God truly knows that everything around him is bullshit. It's not there. He is the only thing that truly 'is' around US, and if it isn't a pure expression of that consciousness, there really is nothing else around it. If heaven could be described as reaching unity with the isth'nus -- hell would be the entrapment in  an interpretation of his holy frequency (a dimension), no matter how nice you might think it is for a time, it's still the ego! It's like having one picture in your head, or one identity, for all eternity. I mean, it might not seem like hell, this life isn't so bad, right? That's why the Church started calling it Purgatory. Re-experience. REINCARNATION. A series of 'second' chances to comprehend your energetic frequencies, and their respective place within the one frequency, or 'OM'. That place within the consciousness is the ego, and when you dissolve it, your place is understood.

I didn't put down all I have to say, but I hope this helps you, and maybe caused others to question even more of what they 'think' they know. That you know you know nothing about god, except your place within him and that it is good, is enough to be more than all the grains of sand on all the world's beaches and deserts!.:wink:




This is an excellent post. This is how it is.
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HannahMichelle said:
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endogenous said:
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HannahMichelle said:

I believe the Bible says to stay away from things like this. It isn't God honoring.





Not sure what you are thinking that the Bible says to stay away from?




Sorry, that was very vague. I meant pursuing things such as ego death. This spiritual stuff. And all these other things that I can't even begin to explain or list. Going to different dimensions and (supposedly) talking to spirits. Stuff like that, that I've been hearing some people say they do.




As a Christian, all you need to worry about is loving God. All your life, you should give thanks to God for all he has given to you and all your actions should be aimed to glorify Him through love. Then you will have joy in your heart, no matter what happens

You do not need to worry about ego death or talking spirits or other dimensions or anything of that nature. Simply develop every virtue, avoid all sin and vice as best you can and love your neighbor as yourself. If you make a mistake, humbly ask God to forgive you, through Jesus Christ your redeemer.

If you are struggling to live this way, God has given you many tools to help you. Study his word, the Bible, (and also the lives of the saints) which will teach you the need for righteousness and personal holiness. It will teach you to stop seeking after pleasures of the flesh which never satisfy us for long but instead to abide in the love of Jesus, which satisfies eternally. Learn to pray. Prayer is your weapon against the devil and his snares. The Holy Spirit will teach you to commune with God in prayer. Have faith, go to church and worship with other people who love God and fill your life with joyful things. Use the gifts that the Lord gave to you, but always use them for the benefit of yourself and others, in ways that glorify God. Do not use them for evil.

If you do these things, you don't have a thing to worry about. God will take care of everything. Yes, you will need to give up your ego and go through a spiritual death and rebirth process like other people are saying, but you don't need to seek after that experience specifically. It will happen when the time is right, if you remain faithful to God. Similarly, you will also learn about spirits and encounter them and possibly even other dimensions, but you needn't worry about these things either. Your job is to seek after God, that's it. All else will be taken care of by Him, if you simply act as his faithful servant.

If you really believe in the Bible, then it sounds to me like you have the gift of faith. If you have this gift, you are very blessed and hopefully what I said above resonates with you. Faith in God is more precious than all the riches of the earth. The only thing better than faith, is love.


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Re: My experience of ego death and gaining a little enlightenment. Which cause much confusion. Thoughts? [Re: Icelander]
    #18802258 - 09/05/13 06:36 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Ask yourself this, if I was born in Iran or India  or Tibet would I believe in the Christian version of things or instead whatever was the cultural religion of choice where I was born?

You definitely saw through some shit imo. Now turn that gaze on your current cultural beliefs.




Its not really possible to know what one would believe were they born somewhere else. I want to put forward the idea though, that this is not so important.

Lets say I am Christian being faced with the question, if I was born in Tibet would I be Buddhist? Well, its certainly quite likely. But so what? To me, thats no different from saying if I was born in Russia I would most likely be speaking Russian instead of English, or if I was born anywhere other than the USA, I would most likely be using the metric system.

But why does that matter? Yeah, the english system or measurement might not be as intelligent as the metric system, but when you grow up with it, you end up feeling more comfortable with miles than kilometers.

Christianity and Buddhism can both be thought of as languages or thought systems for communicating about spiritual things. Does it really matter whether being born somewhere else would have you using a different language?


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Re: My experience of ego death and gaining a little enlightenment. Which cause much confusion. Thoughts? [Re: Deviate]
    #18802287 - 09/05/13 06:53 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

What it means is that usually or always our beliefs are programmed into us by our culture. And all these so called spiritual belief systems don't adhere to the same beliefs.  One reason there is so much religion based warfare in the world.


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Re: My experience of ego death and gaining a little enlightenment. Which cause much confusion. Thoughts? [Re: Icelander]
    #18802311 - 09/05/13 07:14 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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What it means is that usually or always our beliefs are programmed into us by our culture. And all these so called spiritual belief systems don't adhere to the same beliefs.  One reason there is so much religion based warfare in the world.




You have made three separate statements in this post and I am not sure how they relate.


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Re: My experience of ego death and gaining a little enlightenment. Which cause much confusion. Thoughts? [Re: Deviate]
    #18802332 - 09/05/13 07:24 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Work on it. It seems pretty obvious to me. :shrug:


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Re: My experience of ego death and gaining a little enlightenment. Which cause much confusion. Thoughts? [Re: Icelander]
    #18803525 - 09/05/13 02:19 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

He's basically asking you if you're not just Christian due to being in a Christian civilization?Basically saying the 99% are sheeple who only do what's popular at the time and has been like this since the dawning of man. If it's popular to force others your religion and start wars killing millions then everyone is all for it.

Why believe in anything?
Religion - to listen to someone else's ideas
Spirituality - to listen to your own ideas.

Why define yourself by religion but rather as yourself? A spiritual person going down the path of insanity. You're not going anywhere but you can perceive, create, and even question. Is it not just insanity to experience yourself experience and even question what you experience?


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Re: My experience of ego death and gaining a little enlightenment. Which cause much confusion. Thoughts? [Re: Mad Season]
    #18803572 - 09/05/13 02:33 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

All good questions.:thumbup:  When you see how your culture has informed you, you get to ask these kinds of questions.


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Re: My experience of ego death and gaining a little [Re: deCypher]
    #18803966 - 09/05/13 04:12 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Am I the only one who caught the age-related ninja-edit in the OP? :lol:

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Whatever eve, some truths takes years if not decades if they are even ever figured out.




IMO one of the biggest mistakes a seeker can make is assume that they've figured out the Truth.  All I've got are my best guesses and beliefs, and they can change at any time as the evidence I observe and reason about changes.  Certainty is a trap.





When you have found you are a founder, if not so certain then maybe a seller of sacred not so secrets, always a favorite of buskers, and priests, who must rely on goodwill of others. Your religion must be popular, social graces and a good beheading one night....


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Re: My experience of ego death and gaining a little enlightenment. Which cause much confusion. Thoughts? [Re: HannahMichelle]
    #18805808 - 09/05/13 11:38 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Some of your experience reminds me of Ram Dass' (AKA Dr. Richard Alpert) experience on Psilocybin at the beginning of his spiritual journey. At age 18, you may not be familiar with the book REMEMBER: BE HERE NOW. I've used, and given away many copies since 1973, so I'm very familiar with it. It will not answer your questions about Jesus Christ or the Bible specifically, because the book was written with a Hindu orientation wherein Jesus is valued as a saint or as a Self-Realized being, an avatar of God, but not the ONLY avatar of God. That is a uniquely Christian claim. Islam regards Jesus as one of God's prophets, but not THE Prophet, Muhammed. So there are many different takes on Jesus, from within Christendom and from without. Certainly you cannot go wrong adopting the ethics of Jesus, and trying to realize (make real) a 'Post-Conventional Moral Development' ( Lawrence Kohlberg). The Bible depicts Jesus as a unique specie of being, but that is the Christian mythos. One need not buy into Greek mythology to live up to the moral imperative of Jesus, or to adopt the mode of faith in addition to reason (but not in place of reason). The Bible is essentially a mythic, metaphoric, midrashic, and mystical enterprise. It speaks to the 'whys' of life, not the 'hows,' which is the province of science (scientia: knowledge). Sainthood is a condition that does not require a certificate from a church body. The early Christians who lived governed by love and compassion are referred to as saints by Paul of Tarsus, a penitant man who had participated in the murder of one saint - Stephen. Paul held the coats of men who stoned Stephen to death (if you don't know the story), which is why the song Saint Stephen, and the character, is big among Grateful Dead heads (tongue-in-cheek, being 'stoned' to death). Not funny as a means of death. :tongue:

Next time you're in a bookstore, ask for or find a BE HERE NOW, and read the first of three sections about Dick Alpert's anxiety-ridden out-of-body experience. I think you'd appreciate the experiences of a spiritual pioneer whose earliest world-shaking encounters with the Mystery have comforted and encouraged many of us who set out to discover what is really Real about God, and  ways of discovering such Knowledge (Gnosis). :peace:



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Re: My experience of ego death and gaining a little enlightenment. Which cause much confusion. Thoughts? [Re: Mad Season]
    #18806341 - 09/06/13 06:39 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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He's basically asking you if you're not just Christian due to being in a Christian civilization?




Of course I am a Christian due to being in a Christian civilization. To me that is not a sensible question because the answer is so obvious. Its like asking a Roman, do you think you see the world like a Roman because you were raised in Rome?

Culture always influences viewpoint. I see Christianity as the spiritual wisdom handed down from my ancestors. Could it be in another form? Yes, but the wrapping isnt important. Its what inside that is important. Whats inside is this: Christianity tells us to develop our virtues rather than seeking to feed our vices. Then it provides us with some tools, techniques and rituals for accomplishing this. Thats where my focus lies.

Our culture provides the framework for how we see the world. This is the case regardless of what philosophical belief system you adhere to. Science is a cultural phenomenon also for example. Many of our scientific studies that cost thousands of dollars to do, would be considered ludracrous wastes of time by other cultures. New study finds link between this and that
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Basically saying the 99% are sheeple who only do what's popular at the time and has been like this since the dawning of man. If it's popular to force others your religion and start wars killing millions then everyone is all for it.




yes people only do what is popular. I see this as the purpose of Christianity. If you read the Bible , it tells you over and over do not do what is popular, do what is right. Before I became a Christian, I only did what was popular also, in the sense that I lived for my own gain.

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Why believe in anything?




Is it possible not to? if so, how is that done?  Even if you believe there is no reason to believe anything that itself is a belief. No matter what you do, you end up believing something.

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Religion - to listen to someone else's ideas
Spirituality - to listen to your own ideas.






I dont agree with this. I did not progress spiritually until I stopped listening to my own stupid ideas and accepted that there was a power greatehr than my intellect.


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Re: My experience of ego death and gaining a little enlightenment. Which cause much confusion. Thoughts? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #18806351 - 09/06/13 06:43 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Some of your experience reminds me of Ram Dass' (AKA Dr. Richard Alpert) experience on Psilocybin at the beginning of his spiritual journey. At age 18, you may not be familiar with the book REMEMBER: BE HERE NOW. I've used, and given away many copies since 1973, so I'm very familiar with it. It will not answer your questions about Jesus Christ or the Bible specifically, because the book was written with a Hindu orientation wherein Jesus is valued as a saint or as a Self-Realized being, an avatar of God, but not the ONLY avatar of God. That is a uniquely Christian claim. Islam regards Jesus as one of God's prophets, but not THE Prophet, Muhammed. So there are many different takes on Jesus, from within Christendom and from without. Certainly you cannot go wrong adopting the ethics of Jesus, and trying to realize (make real) a 'Post-Conventional Moral Development' ( Lawrence Kohlberg). The Bible depicts Jesus as a unique specie of being, but that is the Christian mythos. One need not buy into Greek mythology to live up to the moral imperative of Jesus, or to adopt the mode of faith in addition to reason (but not in place of reason). The Bible is essentially a mythic, metaphoric, midrashic, and mystical enterprise. It speaks to the 'whys' of life, not the 'hows,' which is the province of science (scientia: knowledge). Sainthood is a condition that does not require a certificate from a church body. The early Christians who lived governed by love and compassion are referred to as saints by Paul of Tarsus, a penitant man who had participated in the murder of one saint - Stephen. Paul held the coats of men who stoned Stephen to death (if you don't know the story), which is why the song Saint Stephen, and the character, is big among Grateful Dead heads (tongue-in-cheek, being 'stoned' to death). Not funny as a means of death. :tongue:

Next time you're in a bookstore, ask for or find a BE HERE NOW, and read the first of three sections about Dick Alpert's anxiety-ridden out-of-body experience. I think you'd appreciate the experiences of a spiritual pioneer whose earliest world-shaking encounters with the Mystery have comforted and encouraged many of us who set out to discover what is really Real about God, and  ways of discovering such Knowledge (Gnosis). :peace:






Yes, definitely read that book. I was also reminded of ram dass when ir ead your experience.


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Re: My experience of ego death and gaining a little enlightenment. Which cause much confusion. Thoughts? [Re: Deviate]
    #18806353 - 09/06/13 06:44 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)


I did not progress spiritually until I stopped listening to my own stupid ideas and accepted that there was a power greatehr than my intellect.


Well maybe that's true for you but I don't consider my ideas stupid. In fact they have served me well for the most part.  Once I began to do some thinking for myself and trust it above what others told me I should think or what was true or right, only then did I make some progress in making a life I could live with.  Your milage may vary, some may need others to do the thinking for them. 


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC


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Re: My experience of ego death and gaining a little enlightenment. Which cause much confusion. Thoughts? [Re: deCypher]
    #18808449 - 09/06/13 05:45 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

The Bible is Gods word and perfect. Your experience while interesting and valid......was just that...an experience. Why is your brother so enlightened? I knew this one girl who I swore was enlightened and had some level of holiness. Turned out she was on cymbalta and cheats on her husband. :rolleyes:

All these kids here say the same old song and dance. Christianity is bullshit....nothing but mental masturbation for the weak....etc. etc.

The Bible is Gods perfect law and you will learn this in this life.....or the next. Pretty easy for a bunch of sheltered scrubs to criticize the bible or cowardly mock God and his people behind a thousand dollar PC. In the safety of a first world country :snowman: :failboat:


Its not a matter of either your experience is right or if God is right. Actually READ the bible instead of asking a bunch of spoiled sheltered drug addict in a drug forum (most of whom rebel against God and his law)


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