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Best long term storage method
    #18806986 - 09/06/13 11:06 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Hi!

What is in your opinion the most stable and preferably also stealth long term storage method. The reason I say stealth is that storing whole mushroom in the amounts in question in the freezer is not stealth enough. Right now I am standing between these options:

1. Powder and mix with honey -> freezer
2. Crush and mix with ethanol -> extract and filter ->freezer
3. Crush and gel cap -> freezer

Which is better for potency? Or do you perhaps have anything better?

Thanks!


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Re: Best long term storage method [Re: callemann]
    #18806993 - 09/06/13 11:10 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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callemann said:
3. Crush and gel cap



This.
Capsules are stealthy and inconspicuous, can be kept in a vitamin bottle or something, don't even need to be in the freezer and can last for years.


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Re: Best long term storage method [Re: Tangich]
    #18808142 - 09/06/13 04:41 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

What is "long term"?

Powdered and packed is a good option that I would trust for up to 5 years maybe (if you displaced almost all of the air), add a few years if freezer.  :thumbup: vitamin bottle.  makes moving them around easier too :wink:

Suspended in ethanol is fairly easy to use and would give 10-15 years (freezer) easily, especially if you were generous on the ethanol ratio.  Could be stealth with a bottle of everclear in the freezer, not an uncommon site.

But oh man, the person who finds and drinks that thing will be a tad "surprised" at their level of "intoxication" :mushroom2:


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Re: Best long term storage method [Re: j_db69]
    #18810242 - 09/07/13 01:39 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Caps and powdered would be ideal, but I have read several reports claiming faster oxidation and loss of potency, even in freezer. Is this true?

Ethanol seems very good, but I have read conflicting reports on extraction efficiency and also it is a bit expensive with the amounts of 96% required here.

Honey seems very cool but the reports here as well don't really say how long it will be good for. But it is cheap and quite stealth!

Any more experiences?


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Re: Best long term storage method [Re: callemann]
    #18810864 - 09/07/13 09:09 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

O2 is going to be the primary enemy here.  tell us what your "long term" means?  20 years is different than 5 years.

I've known someone work with powdered, PACKED into a wide quart jar, packed, then place an O2 absorber and a homemade moisture absorber.  (the O2 packs can be found as "hand and foot warmers").  They placed those two at the top, which there was barely enough room.  this was an experiment to be opened in a decade, but circumstances... so it was opened at 5 years.  They knew they had to work quickly with the substance once removed from jar.  It was quickly packed, again, PACKED into caps and given away to as many people as possible with the estimated dosage.  EVERY report was good and said it was identical to the "real" thing dosage wise.

The other experiment with ethanol, again we start with cracker dry and powdered.  Mix into the material, 3 times volume of ethanol, seal in a jar (not boil) and shake the hell out of it whenever you think about it for 3-4 days.  Using a fine screen, filter out the dry material, squeeze it to get every last drop.  Now pour the fluid into a jar with lid removed (we do not want a lot of surface area and want this to take days, I actually covered with paper towel and had a small fan just moving air around it).  It will have SOME contaminates if the filter wasn't the best, but by no means are they harmful.  Let it evaporate to where you are comfortable with the amount of ethanol you are ingesting along with the goodies.  You could get it down to 1:1 (1g=1ml), but there will be a good chance of contact with O2, BUT even then, it will last 2-3 years.  You will also see the goodies falling out of suspension along the bottom.  rub your finger along the outside bottom of the jar and say "my precious"  Now if you keep it 1:2, it will at least last a decade with NO drop in potency.  I bet if left alone (in freezer) it would last 20 years.  damn that was long, sorry

with the ethanol, I put a stir bar at the bottom and used magnetic stir plate to mix it up WELL before pulling back a syringe (that goes into a drink, not a vein)  You will not even taste it in OJ.  Stir bar makes sure you don't pull the EXTRA EXTRA potent stuff at bottom, b/c then you will....have taken too much man.  If that happens find somewhere safe as you will have about 10-15 minutes before you are blasted away, I mean blasted the f- away

These are real world experiences btw, I seent that


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Re: Best long term storage method [Re: j_db69]
    #18811062 - 09/07/13 10:13 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Oxygen is your enemy as mentioned

Powdering increases surface area and can lead to additional loss of potency in my opinion.

I don't recommend freezer or refrigerator.... Each time you remove them, you risk condensation (like water on the outside of a cold glass)... Which can spoil your mushrooms over time

Dry , cool, dark place.... If you feel so incline, vacuum sealed with no air... Best way really.. seal-o-meal vacuum packed...
Can also add a descant pack ( like you see in beef jerky or asprin packages) to help keep dry.

Honey is another option, used for thousands of years by the natives....

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Re: Best long term storage method [Re: HarryL]
    #18818792 - 09/09/13 12:39 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Any of these would be ok for bulk long term storage, but if you ever want to take a small sample from the bulk to study, you are compromising any "seal" you have made and given O2 a change to get at it once again.

I still don't see a method better than the ethanol suspension as you can open the lid and suck up what you need.  Maybe vacuum seal small bags of cracker dry material (it will smash it up into smaller pieces if it pulls a decent vacuum), then place it into a bucket with a port at top, to vacuum it out as well.  I know this sounds a little "extreme", but there could be instances where you gather MANY mushrooms at one time, and wanted it to last a decade while still being able to test them and share them with others.  The amount of honey needed for this would be a LOT, and might not be good for diabetics :ooo:

any other ideas?


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Re: Best long term storage method [Re: callemann]
    #18818802 - 09/09/13 12:44 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

An airtight jar with some silica gel packets should be good. Add some crystalline vitamin c and put it in a liquid nitrogen freezer if you want your great grandkids to have it.

the biggest issue is keeping water out. Jar at room temp with silica packet is all you need.


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