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Re: Moringa oleifera- The tree for life. [Re: ferrel_human]
    #24662043 - 09/26/17 04:37 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

I had some seed and tried to germinated. But didn't grown  up properly and died. Now I find one place where sold Moringa and more medicinal plants. I think I will try again!! Someone use moringa seed to purified the water?


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Re: Moringa oleifera- The tree for life. [Re: LifeUnderAwno]
    #24662182 - 09/26/17 05:32 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

Yup, still trying to grow them. This pic shows three I've managed to keep alive. Any tips appreciated.
I usually lose them early on... trying different drainage strategies with this trio. Drainage, more drainage, and extra extra drainage.

I'm hoping to plant all the trees here in the ground next Spring.
(Big one is Babaco)

These are all about 6 months old now.


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Re: Moringa oleifera- The tree for life. *DELETED* [Re: Primal Call]
    #24662221 - 09/26/17 05:57 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: Moringa oleifera- The tree for life. [Re: LifeUnderAwno]
    #24663093 - 09/27/17 12:29 AM (6 years, 4 months ago)

If by "right" you mean "left," it is Babaco. I put a link in the previous post. Unless you can see something I don't...?

Well, as I mentioned, I'm still "trying" to grow Moringa (as opposed to succeeding at growing them) because I usually lose them shortly after germination; the last sowing I did was 8-10 seeds and only 3 survived. I'd say germ rate was about 80-90%. So this is the best I've done with them thus far. I'm still learning this one for sure!

I have always scarred & soaked the seeds prior to sowing. This is not something I've tested side-by-side, but every catalog I've read and/or ordered from recommended this step.

I've sown it with & without bottom heat and with & without automated misting.  Any combination of these seem to work fine... germination is pretty easy, actually, just a bit faster with the bottom heat.

The most difficult part, IME, is getting them xfered from the seedling stage and settled into their own pots. Maybe they don't like disturbance when young? Ive always sown them in open flats then potted up to 4" or 1gals.

I think I witnessed enough automated misting over a many-week/month period leading to death by oversaturation of the media. Or perhaps not too much misting but too much water retention in the media.

I think I can safely suggest that they like it on the drier side when young, especially if the air/root temps are only warm or even on the cooler side. IE: 55-70F. And by young I mean from germination to a dozen leaves or so. They seem to loathe wet feet, and are fairly drought tolerant, so under-watering is better than over-watering.

This was all after reading more about their origins and natural environment (sandy, low CEC, low OM soil) while trying to grow them in a commercial quality greenhouse with all the gadgets and doohickies one can imagine (automated capability for everything you can think of.)

So I'm testing these hypotheses now with the drainage ratios in those "2 gal" pots.

The media is made of a bit of compost and native sandy clay, a decent amount of coco coir, and various (testing drainage impact) amounts of fine sand. They all seem to be doing about the same... some yellowing leaves and some leaves looking kinda wrinkly. Still figuring out what they need. Fertilizers I use are worm castings (solid & dissolved) and compost tea brewed with worm castings and finished with a smidgeon of fish hydrolosate. Every now and then I use a 4-6-2 slow-release fertilizer (kelp/alfalfa/feather/bone mix)

A model I have landed on but have yet to test is that they are simply cactus in a leguminous tree's body; they like it mostly hot, well-drained, and they will drink all the water you can give them with these conditions. Next year I'm hoping to plant these out: one in the ground, one in a half barrel, and one in a raised bed.

I should take a look at their roots soon. I'd expect them to have formed rhizobia by this point. I'll take a photo and post it if I see anything worth sharing.

Hope this helps, and if anyone else has noticed these patterns or has contradicting information, please share!

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Re: Moringa oleifera- The tree for life. *DELETED* [Re: Primal Call]
    #24664977 - 09/27/17 05:46 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: Moringa oleifera- The tree for life. [Re: LifeUnderAwno]
    #24665806 - 09/27/17 10:49 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

Just uprooted one of these plants. No rhizobia, nothing picture worthy. The root was taproot-ish and going downward, not so outward. It was drier than I thought it would be... gonna give it more frequent watering while this heat is still around.

Definitely disturbed it during this check-up


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Re: Moringa oleifera- The tree for life. [Re: Salko]
    #24665813 - 09/27/17 10:51 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

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Someone use moringa seed to purified the water?




https://miracletrees.org/moringa_water_purification.html

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Re: Moringa oleifera- The tree for life. [Re: durian_2008]
    #24667650 - 09/28/17 04:18 PM (6 years, 3 months ago)

Thanks! Is a lot of information in this website.  Is amazing Moringa Leaf Juice As A Natural Plant Growth Promoter.


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Re: Moringa oleifera- The tree for life. [Re: Salko]
    #24671106 - 09/29/17 06:59 PM (6 years, 3 months ago)

Just a photo follow-up here:



The original root was about 4 inches longer... got a bit torn up from my decidedly ungentle checking of the roots. It has been drooping since that event 2 or 3 days ago. Definitely doesn't look like it appreciated the disturbance.


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Re: Moringa oleifera- The tree for life. [Re: Primal Call]
    #24690963 - 10/07/17 01:07 PM (6 years, 3 months ago)

Im curious to see how this turns out but i wont let it get out of hand.



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Re: Moringa oleifera- The tree for life. [Re: ferrel_human]
    #24691161 - 10/07/17 02:19 PM (6 years, 3 months ago)

self-seeded Moringa?! :wow:


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Re: Moringa oleifera- The tree for life. [Re: Primal Call]
    #24691292 - 10/07/17 03:12 PM (6 years, 3 months ago)

The seeds germinate extremely well


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Re: Moringa oleifera- The tree for life. [Re: Primal Call]
    #24696733 - 10/09/17 01:15 PM (6 years, 3 months ago)

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Just a photo follow-up here:



The original root was about 4 inches longer... got a bit torn up from my decidedly ungentle checking of the roots. It has been drooping since that event 2 or 3 days ago. Definitely doesn't look like it appreciated the disturbance.




Just an update on this.... plant still hasn't recovered. I may have even killed the poor thing. I was too stoned & careless.

Anyone seen similar results while re-potting or transplanting Moringa?


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Re: Moringa oleifera- The tree for life. [Re: Primal Call]
    #24696750 - 10/09/17 01:18 PM (6 years, 3 months ago)

Not like that. I transplanted from peat pellets and it worked. Never yanked one and then decided to transplant.


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Re: Moringa oleifera- The tree for life. [Re: ferrel_human]
    #24698020 - 10/09/17 08:09 PM (6 years, 3 months ago)

I had poor luck with the seeds I got from my moringa. I will try soaking and nicking next time. Maybe older trees are more fertile? I have exactly 1 sprout that may survive out of at least a dozen seeds. They will die on you when they are small too

When they get going you want to top them frequently. The thing is they grow under the cut. Many plants if you top them at 2' they will branch off and the cut may always be about 2' or 2.5' off the ground. If you top a moringa at 2', a year later the cut may look like it was at 4'. You have to cut every growing shoot, less so when you are wanting seeds and more so when they get tall. You have to top them like mad or even cut off everything above perhaps 2' to 3' leaving a stump. I haven't tried that but I heard it works.


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Re: Moringa oleifera- The tree for life. [Re: Stonehenge]
    #24698551 - 10/09/17 11:43 PM (6 years, 3 months ago)

Try increasing your drainage when they are young. That and watering them less than I think I should is what got me a somewhat better survival rate.

I've purchased seed from baker creek as well as strictly medicinal seeds. Germ rate on both was great, and BC even has something they call "dwarf" moringa.

I think the next time I sow them I'll sow each seed in it's own deep pot. Something like those 12-16" tubes.




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Re: Moringa oleifera- The tree for life. [Re: Salko]
    #24698635 - 10/10/17 01:22 AM (6 years, 3 months ago)

This works the best:

Soak, then using your finger nail or a dull edge like a butter knife,  "scalp" the "wings" off the saturated seed, meaning scrape off those 3 little flaps that are on the seed, along with some of the outter seed coat. This somehow drastically improves germination. Id assume its a form of scarification, but  whatever, because it works.

Plant seeds in potting mix, and let it do its thing. Moringa is a tough plant, so try not to baby it too much.


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Re: Moringa oleifera- The tree for life. [Re: Norsern_vind]
    #25273741 - 06/17/18 05:12 AM (5 years, 7 months ago)

https://phys.org/news/2018-06-seed-millions.html

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The seed that could bring clean water to millions

According to the United Nations, 2.1 billion people lack access to safely managed drinking water services, the majority of whom live in developing nations.

Carnegie Mellon University's Biomedical Engineering and Chemical Engineering Professors Bob Tilton and Todd Przybycien recently co-authored a paper with Ph.D. students Brittany Nordmark and Toni Bechtel, and alumnus John Riley, further refining a process that could soon help provide clean water to many in water-scarce regions. The process, created by Tilton's former student and co-author Stephanie Velegol, uses sand and plant materials readily available in many developing nations to create a cheap and effective water filtration medium, termed "f-sand."

"F-sand" uses proteins from the Moringa oleifera plant, a tree native to India that grows well in tropical and subtropical climates. The tree is cultivated for food and natural oils, and the seeds are already used for a type of rudimentary water purification. However, this traditional means of purification leaves behind high amounts of dissolved organic carbon (DOC) from the seeds, allowing bacteria to regrow after just 24 hours. This leaves only a short window in which the water is drinkable.

Velegol, who is now a professor of chemical engineering at Penn State University, had the idea to combine this method of water purification with sand filtration methods common in developing areas. By extracting the seed proteins and adsorbing (adhering) them to the surface of silica particles, the principal component of sand, she created f-sand. F-sand both kills microorganisms and reduces turbidity, adhering to particulate and organic matter. These undesirable contaminants and DOC can then be washed out, leaving the water clean for longer, and the f-sand ready for reuse.

While the basic process was proven and effective, there were still many questions surrounding f-sand's creation and use—questions Tilton and Przybycien resolved to answer.




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Re: Moringa oleifera- The tree for life. [Re: Mostly_Harmless]
    #25274022 - 06/17/18 09:03 AM (5 years, 7 months ago)

Its a marvelous tree. Mine is producing fruits, I will be giving them away but not here due to naum's decision. I lost nearly half the pods because they were on a branch that snapped in a storm and they died.


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Re: Moringa oleifera- The tree for life. [Re: Stonehenge]
    #25274149 - 06/17/18 10:12 AM (5 years, 7 months ago)

Is there any ethnobotanical uses for this tree or just practical uses as water cleaning?


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