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fascinating properties of light
#18807366 - 09/06/13 12:47 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Is anyone else fascinated by the properties of light??
I think it's really cool, like how its quantized into photons and these photons can go on practically infinetely because in theory, as you approach the speed of light time slows so it doesn't get weaker as it travels. It doesn't need matter to travel through and can pass through matter, yet it can also push matter. Is light itself even material (how do photons compare to atoms or electrons/protons? there's a lot I still don't understand about it, but I find it incredibly interesting.
did I get anything wrong? What other cool things are there to know about light? Anyone else share this fascination?
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Speaking of the speed of light, have you seen Stephen Hawking's theory on time travel? He says the only way would be to get something that moves that fast, but nothing really can. It all makes sense the way he explains it.

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Re: fascinating properties of light [Re: thizzlemaniac]
#18807454 - 09/06/13 01:22 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Light can be described as both a wave or a particle, but not both at the same time
I will learn more in detail next semester
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Re: fascinating properties of light [Re: TwinEclipse]
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Speak of the devil I have class in a hour.. biophysics. first half is all quantum mechanics. Schroeder equation, Heisenberg uncertainty principle. It's fucking crazy shit.. particle or wave can't tell. can't know direction and momentum at the same time... I actually watched Leonard susskinds quantum entanglement lecture 1 yesterday and that shit was just insane.
and sadly i need to spend all next week studying for the first test come next friday!! gonna be a hard fucking class!
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Re: fascinating properties of light [Re: TwinEclipse]
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thizzlemaniac said: Speaking of the speed of light, have you seen Stephen Hawking's theory on time travel? He says the only way would be to get something that moves that fast, but nothing really can. It all makes sense the way he explains it.

Watch Stephen Hawkings Universe special while tripping it's awesome!
Hmm I'll have to watch this now.. 
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TwinEclipse said: Light can be described as both a wave or a particle, but not both at the same time
I will learn more in detail next semester 
Really? Not sure how that works but now I wanna find out
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Re: fascinating properties of light [Re: Gorlax]
#18807485 - 09/06/13 01:31 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'll have to watch that when I get home, can't watch videos on my phone for some reason. I think its time for a reformat.
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Re: fascinating properties of light [Re: Gorlax]
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Ah. Heisenberg uncertainty principle.
It's impossible to know the exact kinetic energy of a wave while also knowing the placement of it in space. Either or...similar concept with quantum theory and how it views light.
Also, there are lots of reactions going on that we can't see. There is an incomprehensible number of neutrinos and muons passing through us every second, all because of the sun's invisible radiation. They reach speeds close to the speed of light, making their half lives much longer as they are red shifted through an incredible velocity.
I got confused quite a bit with concepts of physics. However, I took that as....CHALLENGE ACCEPTED
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Re: fascinating properties of light [Re: vinsue]
#18807565 - 09/06/13 01:58 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I find it interesting that the particles that make up light, are traveling at the speed of light but as we know the close you get to the speed of light time slows down therefore the particles that make up light don't experience the passage of time
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Re: fascinating properties of light [Re: B0b0]
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Light itself is probably the only way we'll figure out how to travel at almost the speed of light.
In space if you open a wide enough parachute, light can push it. So technically if you build a huge heat resistant parachute and place it as close to the sun possible it would be pushed by enormous amounts of light. If you put a shuttle behind it, it could tow it through space. Hopefully the parachute would get enough momentum by the light to reach great speeds before the sun is to far away. Since theirs no resistance in space, that speed would be constant.
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Re: fascinating properties of light [Re: Patlal]
#18807695 - 09/06/13 02:35 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Here's a question: can light create propulsion? Like you would a jet engine?
You can fill a sail with wind like you can use a solar sail for catching light. can you do the reverse like use a fan to create propulsion but with light?
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A Day InThe Life said: Here's a question: can light create propulsion? Like you would a jet engine?
You can fill a sail with wind like you can use a solar sail for catching light. can you do the reverse like use a fan to create propulsion but with light?
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Re: fascinating properties of light [Re: thizzlemaniac]
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Yeah the reason none of it makes sense is because evolution didn't need us to know the smallest fabrics of existence just the bigger shit..
If you watch that quantum entanglement everything can be explained as bits and matrices "not like the movie" actual math matrices.. in quantum that is
as for time.. time needs to upload.. if you have a coin it could either be heads or tails. if you flip it and it lands on tails then time has to upload to show that it is tails. its fucking weird but this is what is taught in the lecture..
also this is interesting
this is suppose to show time flow..
check this diagram and follow the arrows from , bottom left dot --> top left --> top right --> bottom right ---> and then to top left again

as you can see their is no way to tell if the top left dot originated from the bottom left or bottom right.. ahh its hard to explain u need to watch the hour and half long lecture..
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Re: fascinating properties of light [Re: Gorlax]
#18809479 - 09/06/13 09:26 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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watched the Veritasium vid, kinda funny cause it was veritasium and vsauce that got me thinking about all the cool properties of light in the first place.
To be honest, it still doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me afterwards, maybe I'll have to find a book or something more indepth on it.
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Re: fascinating properties of light [Re: Gorlax]
#18809488 - 09/06/13 09:27 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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check this out. photons exist as the fastest speed there is. all other speeds are measured relative to it. what is speed? time. speed = time. a photon traveling at its normal pace (the speed of light) will have reached its destination the EXACT SAME INSTANT it left. departure and arrival happen at the same instant for a photon, no matter where it's traveling. to us, light may seem to travel for thousands and thousands of years even. but from the perspective of the light that's traveling that speed, time is not passing. all points exist simultaneously, all points in space and time, are here and now, when you are light
locality is not an issue if you're a photon. since no time passes, you basically exist as a reference-point for everything else that's ever happened in reference to light. so basically matter is just light energy condensed to a slower vibration, this is when time is created and things undergo process. time means process. time is a property of things which undergo process (matter and chemicals). process means waiting. light need not wait, because light is beyond time. what the hell do you have to wait for anyway, when you're traveling at the speed of light?
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I love light. I am studying photonic (and electronic) materials in university so I know quite a lot about it. But I am a bit too alcoholed to accurately discuss such a complicated topic. So instead I'll just post Light by Phish. Damn good jam in this one.
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Re: fascinating properties of light [Re: The_Aviator]
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Re: fascinating properties of light [Re: Envix]
#18809598 - 09/06/13 09:53 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Envix said: check this out. photons exist as the fastest speed there is. all other speeds are measured relative to it. what is speed? time. speed = time. a photon traveling at its normal pace (the speed of light) will have reached its destination the EXACT SAME INSTANT it left. departure and arrival happen at the same instant for a photon, no matter where it's traveling. to us, light may seem to travel for thousands and thousands of years even. but from the perspective of the light that's traveling that speed, time is not passing. all points exist simultaneously, all points in space and time, are here and now, when you are light
locality is not an issue if you're a photon. since no time passes, you basically exist as a reference-point for everything else that's ever happened in reference to light. so basically matter is just light energy condensed to a slower vibration, this is when time is created and things undergo process. time means process. time is a property of things which undergo process (matter and chemicals). process means waiting. light need not wait, because light is beyond time. what the hell do you have to wait for anyway, when you're traveling at the speed of light?
So from lights perspective time is stopped and it arrives instantly, and/or is in all destinations simultaneously? but from our perspective it's moving through space at the speed of light?
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Re: fascinating properties of light [Re: The_Aviator] 1
#18809601 - 09/06/13 09:53 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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OP I work in the film/media industry as a director of photography and the science of lighting scenes is truly fascinating. It mixes art and science together to really give you the emotion of the scene.
Theres so much you can do to light, its fucking crazy. If I want to raise the ambient light level of a room, I shoot a strong spot light straight up in the ceiling and bounce the light all over the room. The act of diffusing light is also incredible. Its amazing to see what happens to light when diffused by tracing paper, metal scrims, silk, or a white shirt.
Its also cool how you can tell how hot a light is depending on the color the burning filament (or fuel source) is. It works the same for the light emitted from stars. The bluer it is, the hotter.
Its also amazing how light bounces and gets absorbed. I use a white piece of cardboard when Im shooting outside to bounce sunlight off the white board and onto my subject. I can also use a flag (its a large square of black fabric) and angle it how I need to to absorb incoming light or make it "spill" softly.
Its fucking crazy, guys. Light is awesome, and only composed of three colors.
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Re: fascinating properties of light [Re: Nimpo]
#18809615 - 09/06/13 09:58 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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oh I know, photography is a hobby of mine and I know a little about cinematography too. Very cool what you can do with light if you know how to use it! The possibilities are endless, you can basically get whatever look you want with the right tools
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Envix said: check this out. photons exist as the fastest speed there is. all other speeds are measured relative to it. what is speed? time. speed = time. a photon traveling at its normal pace (the speed of light) will have reached its destination the EXACT SAME INSTANT it left. departure and arrival happen at the same instant for a photon, no matter where it's traveling. to us, light may seem to travel for thousands and thousands of years even. but from the perspective of the light that's traveling that speed, time is not passing. all points exist simultaneously, all points in space and time, are here and now, when you are light
locality is not an issue if you're a photon. since no time passes, you basically exist as a reference-point for everything else that's ever happened in reference to light. so basically matter is just light energy condensed to a slower vibration, this is when time is created and things undergo process. time means process. time is a property of things which undergo process (matter and chemicals). process means waiting. light need not wait, because light is beyond time. what the hell do you have to wait for anyway, when you're traveling at the speed of light?
So from lights perspective time is stopped and it arrives instantly, and/or is in all destinations simultaneously? but from our perspective it's moving through space at the speed of light?
thats right! when we measure the speed of light, we get a measurement of light's speed in accordance with the physical universe. The physical universe is made up of many things which travel much much slower than light. light passes through much distance in space and time, through the vacuum of space, or the atmosphere of a planet. However, since everything moves at a speed relative to light (light is the fastest speed there is), light gives the illusion of having a speed limit to us. this is because we're moving so so slow, that we can even measure time itself and fit the speed of light into a category of it Quote:
299792458 meters per second
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Re: fascinating properties of light [Re: Envix]
#18809643 - 09/06/13 10:06 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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So if lights speed is relative, then does that mean that our physical bodies cannot travel as fast as light?
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remember that time is a property of things which undergo process. once you step out of the realm of process, you are basically traveling at light-speed (or, you've completed the process!)
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Re: fascinating properties of light [Re: Envix]
#18809663 - 09/06/13 10:11 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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imagine you could gain enough momentum to reach the speed of light
as you approach the speed of light, time would appear to slow down a bunch, but also your perspective of process would shift dramatically. right now you view process from the vantage point of your own speed. your own "processing speed". if you were to approach the speed of light, you would not be able to process the information properly unless your brain could also process information at the speed of light.
i think you have to take the limitations of human perception into consideration when trying to imagine different laws of physics that we're not normally accustomed to
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Re: fascinating properties of light [Re: Envix]
#18809670 - 09/06/13 10:14 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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ah makes sense, as you approach light speed time slows and you therefore are able to process things much faster than whats not moving at that speed.
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i wonder if there are ways to get to light speed without physically moving
maybe if we could speed up the vibrational rate of all our individual atoms, we might have a shot
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Re: fascinating properties of light [Re: Envix]
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Re: fascinating properties of light [Re: TwinEclipse]
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double slit experiment light is definitely some interesting stuff
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Re: fascinating properties of light [Re: 4nik8]
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^^ yeah that explains the properties of light being a particle and a wave..
if you have the time tuff it and out and watch some of these videos.. It's free Stanford lecture for free!
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Re: fascinating properties of light [Re: Gorlax]
#18812078 - 09/07/13 04:10 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I think light is energy
energy can move even in empty space or through matter
just like a plasma can
you can send a radiowave with the speed of light to the other end of the universe with a 9V battery, some copper wire(coil) and a contact the energy keeps flowing, nature doesn't like change, it will let it keep flowing
if matter can float freely in space, so can energy for energy is matter (e=mc**2)
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Re: fascinating properties of light [Re: lessismore]
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^ light is energy!! and all energy is in the form of heat! that is why lasers can burn shit!
Heat is really interesting since it technically is energy!! That is how a lot of thermodynamics works and explains why processes undergo spontaneous bonding and reactions. Biology has used this for all of its processes!
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Re: fascinating properties of light [Re: Gorlax]
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I also have found it fascinating that an infinite amount of photons can be "fit" into a beam of light.
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Really? You can truly fit an infinite amount of photons in the same space? Or is it only infinite like the beams just gets bigger? lol
How can they prove this?
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Re: fascinating properties of light [Re: lessismore]
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mio said: nature doesn't like change
this is the most backwards untrue statement ive ever heard wtf
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Re: fascinating properties of light [Re: Envix]
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mio said: nature doesn't like change
this is the most backwards untrue statement ive ever heard wtf 
another word for nature tries to balance itself
the universe and your psyche too
everything balances itself, atoms inside your body too, they're neutral charge all matter we see is neutral charge
if you send out matter in space, you get pushed the other direction by nature
if you send out a radiowave, nature will try to cancel it all the time (changing E and B field)
if you create a signal in a wire with a current, the current will keep flowing, or send back-emf if you stop the signal
if you send out energy/mass in space/on earth, the energy will keep flowing (inertia)
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A Day InThe Life said: Really? You can truly fit an infinite amount of photons in the same space? Or is it only infinite like the beams just gets bigger? lol
How can they prove this?
this is possible because photons have no mass. no mass = no space to take up
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Re: fascinating properties of light [Re: lessismore]
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mio said: nature doesn't like change
this is the most backwards untrue statement ive ever heard wtf 
another word for nature tries to balance itself
the universe and your psyche too
everything balances itself, atoms inside your body too, they're neutral charge all matter we see is neutral charge
thats a better way of wording it. the universe likes balance, but the universe also favors change. change is what brought life to a molten-hot floating rock in space. change is what selectively adapted that life to evolve heightened forms of consciousness
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Re: fascinating properties of light [Re: Envix]
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A Day InThe Life said: Really? You can truly fit an infinite amount of photons in the same space? Or is it only infinite like the beams just gets bigger? lol
How can they prove this?
this is possible because photons have no mass. no mass = no space to take up
A photon is everywhere in space, or where you measure it, depending on your view
when you view it, it is where you view it
but else it is everywhere in the universe at the same time
an infinite wave
it is still one, it is just spread out
or maybe I'm overlooking something?
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Re: fascinating properties of light [Re: lessismore]
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you're looking in the right direction i think.
light is definitely spread out infinitely i think. not just through space but through time as well and perhaps even other dimensions
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Re: fascinating properties of light [Re: Envix]
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i think of it like this. light is like air and the remaining physical universe is like the ocean. the ocean contains many many many many many pockets of air within it (bubbles, organisms, tidal movements). just as the universe contains many many many many many photon-emitting stars and cellphones
if we can imagine light as existing in a state "higher" than everything else in our dimension, we could perhaps better understand how light "interacts" with our dimension in such peculiar ways
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Re: fascinating properties of light [Re: Envix]
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black holes..
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Re: fascinating properties of light [Re: Gorlax]
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black holes i think also exist beyond the physical dimension. theyre like in a constant ongoing battle with light to see who will take over infinity
but in the end they both win i guess. or neither do. the point is they have to keep matching-odds against infinity in order for thangs to keep on doin'
-------------------- smack a hoe out this dimension continue my ascension -bhad bhabie rip. todcasil, acid sloth, st1llnox, zappaisgod, big worm (sketch), tim b
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cez


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Re: fascinating properties of light [Re: Envix]
#18813836 - 09/08/13 02:03 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Just posting in this thread to reference later
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lil_demented
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Re: fascinating properties of light [Re: cez]
#18813844 - 09/08/13 02:08 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Just postin in this thread so others think I'm smart and deep.
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Bender B Rodriguez
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Quote:
A Day InThe Life said: Really? You can truly fit an infinite amount of photons in the same space? Or is it only infinite like the beams just gets bigger? lol
How can they prove this?
Well it looks like I might be wrong. I was told this by an old astronomy teacher, so I posted this without really checking it out. It turns out I should have done a little research before posting. I found this Wikipedia article about something called a Kugelblitz. Basically it's an idea in theoretical physics that states if there is a high enough concentration of photons a black hole will be formed.
Sorry for not verifying my statement before posting it.
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