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Re: Would you take it? [Re: Raven Gnosis]
    #18796136 - 09/03/13 08:06 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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If you were offered the gift and curse of life before your birth, knowing that everything you would come to love would figuratively and literally die, that your own death was inevitable, would you truly take it?

Why or why not?



I think the fact that we're all each in our own particular lives is indication that...  yes we truly took it.

I think the "reasoning" behind the choice probably is a case by case basis which can be observed in how differently human lives unfold.  Y do it in the first place even?  Probably some kind of curiosity and means of exploration.  Perhaps the experience before choosing life was similiar to here on earth when we aren't doing anything so decide something is more interesting than nothing and then we dive in some project.  Apparently nature works on bigger levels and bigger levels, you like the same patterns, but different scales I mean to say.  So if I had to guess I would say 1 particular life is part of a much larger process that we are currently undertaking.  Again, sort of like how we go from project to project in our regular lives.  Well this 1 life is just like that, but on a larger scale.  Hypothetically the larger process of it all would be difficult if not impossible to see, would it not?  ...... Thinking it through I don't see a good reason to even see the larger process in the first, while undertaking a specific project.  While in regular life it's best to get consumed and lost in our projects and tasks.  I'm guessing the project of our life right now is something similar.

....  Plus based on what a crap load of mushrooms can do to my perception of self and "my" life it doesn't seem like it could really be that big of a deal.  Obviously we can get shattered psychologically and we obviously physically die so I think that choosing to temporarily live a life is a cool thing to do.  .... But with this knowledge in hand you better know how to appreciate things and how to enjoy the simplicities.


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Re: Would you take it? [Re: Raven Gnosis]
    #18796156 - 09/03/13 08:11 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

This is really hard to answer without some kind of context.

If I was in a position to make this choice before I came here (earth), then why would I want to suffer? Am I learning something to take back to that other state? Am I just here for a good ride? Is it just like a dream that I have here? And would I (whatever this "I" is making the decision) have any consequences as a result of doing it?

If I wasn't in a position to make the choice before I came here, then what does it matter what my choice is? Is there any thing that is feeling the pain or pleasure of life?

I guess I feel like I'm missing the point. :lol:


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Re: Would you take it? [Re: Raven Gnosis]
    #18798566 - 09/04/13 09:59 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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If you were offered the gift and curse of life before your birth, knowing that everything you would come to love would figuratively and literally die, that your own death was inevitable, would you truly take it?

Why or why not?




Would i be offered the meaning or reason for the life i was about to live before hand?

What is the true purpose/meaning of life? (Cliche u know :lol:)

if i were to understand the meaning before or afterwards, i would do it either way.

What if the meaning of life is to just be? Then choosing to sleep permanently,in all life forms, would result in nothingness, a state of no life/non existance.

Surely we can't all stay asleep..


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Repetoire89 said: I love abortion and fully condone it - some should make it into a sport.

Treesniper119 said: Any one who is willing to start life & also willing to deny life to their form/seed/child/offspring is cursed.
For you have severed your own cord to lifes worth.
Anyone who condones these actions is cursed as well...



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Re: Would you take it? [Re: treesniper119]
    #18798609 - 09/04/13 10:13 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Would i be offered the meaning or reason for the life i was about to live before hand?





Whats the fun in that?


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Re: Would you take it? [Re: Repertoire89]
    #18798650 - 09/04/13 10:28 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Got it.

The meaning of life is us discovering ourselves.

Like the cosmic dance of shiva.

we delight in discovering ourselves.


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Icelander said: I'd like to fund unlimited abortions. Finally some good coming from my tax dollars.

Repetoire89 said: I love abortion and fully condone it - some should make it into a sport.

Treesniper119 said: Any one who is willing to start life & also willing to deny life to their form/seed/child/offspring is cursed.
For you have severed your own cord to lifes worth.
Anyone who condones these actions is cursed as well...



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Re: Would you take it? [Re: treesniper119]
    #18799118 - 09/04/13 12:57 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

That or making meaning where there is none, huddling for warmth in the storm


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Re: Would you take it? [Re: Repertoire89]
    #18799164 - 09/04/13 01:09 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Sure, just not the one for this planet and anywhere like it :thumbup:


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Re: Would you take it? [Re: Icelander]
    #18804988 - 09/05/13 08:30 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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I was assuming a replay of the life you currently have as that's all you can really know about.




This is the context I am asking this question in.

Knowing you would suffer in all the ways you have and experience all the pleasures and beauties of being, if given the chance, you would have still taken it?

I personally may still take it, albeit my life having been more painful than beautiful. I have learned a lot from that pain that seemingly allows me to appreciate all this bullshit on a level most seemingly fail to.

Since I was little, I have sort of felt that there was something to this, something to this life, that on some level, death is more home than this ever could be and I have already done all this before, everything I am doing.... That I am having to go through it all again.
That mysterious feeling has permeated my entire strange and difficult life. When I really let it sink in, it's almost maddening, like this is some kind of dream I can never hope to fully understand but should be paying attention to.

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Re: Would you take it? [Re: Raven Gnosis]
    #18806646 - 09/06/13 09:13 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I will take life in any given form. I come to accept my experiences as a lesson needed to be learned. It truly changes the perspective of how you cope with lost.

I love my life, and I love me in it. Wouldn't change one bit of it, just continue to learn until my time here has done its purpose and I will move on to explore other ones.


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Re: Would you take it? [Re: Romi]
    #18806735 - 09/06/13 09:42 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

My guess is you have never experienced the worst human life has to offer.  Not by a long shot.


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Re: Would you take it? [Re: Icelander]
    #18806864 - 09/06/13 10:26 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I'm by all means no expert, but I can say I have my fair trade of humiliation, betrayal, torture, harassment, manipulation. Yes we are not all nice and yes life has its moments, but I continue to believe in perspective as well as lessons. Weather you like it or not we have a path to follow, sooner or later you will have to hit bottom and start building your true self and what you are meant to do for this community. I'm nowhere near that discovery, but I am for sure working towards it. I had my bottom and even in my lowest, I now can say I cherish my life and I am better person inside because of my lessons.

That's that make any sense?


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Re: Would you take it? [Re: Romi]
    #18806878 - 09/06/13 10:30 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

:thumbup:


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Re: Would you take it? [Re: Romi]
    #18807079 - 09/06/13 11:35 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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I'm by all means no expert, but I can say I have my fair trade of humiliation, betrayal, torture, harassment, manipulation. Yes we are not all nice and yes life has its moments, but I continue to believe in perspective as well as lessons. Weather you like it or not we have a path to follow, sooner or later you will have to hit bottom and start building your true self and what you are meant to do for this community. I'm nowhere near that discovery, but I am for sure working towards it. I had my bottom and even in my lowest, I now can say I cherish my life and I am better person inside because of my lessons.

That's that make any sense?




For you only it makes sense.  I can't imagine why someone dying of starvation in a war torn country where starvation is only a part of their problems would cherish life.  Or a severely depressed person over here for that matter.  I don't even know how they feel. How could I decide what would be the right course for anyone but myself.  So yes it makes sense for you but that's as far as it goes imo.

Just out of curiosity, how exactly have you been tortured?


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Re: Would you take it? [Re: Icelander]
    #18807161 - 09/06/13 11:56 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

You are completely right! I can't even begin to imagine how would that feel. I've met people who a broken nail is depressive material as well as people with little to none who have no time to be depress, their strength and positivity goes beyond anything I can come up with. I have no saying for others, I can only speak for my self and my own take on the subject.

Just to entertain your thoughts... "I" consider my raping years to be tortured. Not that I would choose to re-live that, well see if they tell me in order to be who I am today I absolutely need to go through it again, I will probably have to say bring it on, just like the rest of my dark times. I simply can't let go to whom I've become because of those lessons.


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Re: Would you take it? [Re: Romi]
    #18807219 - 09/06/13 12:07 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

"I" consider my raping years to be tortured.

Definitely. :sad:



I've changed my mind after years of consideration.  I believe now that each  persons personal psychology is so unique that it's impossible to say (with any assurance of accuracy) what it feels like to feel what they feel.  My feelings are no barometer for what others are feeling.  It's hard to tell someone else to buck up and take it when you don't really know what they are experiencing.  I still do it from time to time but I know it's mostly bs on my part.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
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Re: Would you take it? [Re: Icelander]
    #18807428 - 09/06/13 01:11 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Well you are only speaking about the HARDEST job in the world. To not judge or assume.

I deal with that everyday, even tho I am being judge left and right in my field. I often have to step back and remember the reason while I am in the field is to help not to bash. Is so easy to assume and profile. I get very upset at my self for doing it so. We all have a story. 

The fact that you recognize that is BS from your part is all what this is about. Live and learn. =D


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Re: Would you take it? [Re: Romi]
    #18807500 - 09/06/13 01:36 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I'd be fucking crazy to take this shit again. Hell NO. Life is absurd and there is little to no choice in anything, you begin dumb and likely grow deluded, you can't even tell when you're deluded. Perhaps out of chance and mistake you can gain some wisdom, to grow wise enough to find peace in life likely requires nearly impossible luck.

Most humans are OK in my book, we have a tough job.


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Re: Would you take it? [Re: Romi]
    #18807503 - 09/06/13 01:38 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

We do not know just what sort of circumstance we are caught in. We don't know the nature of our own minds, and the truth about it all doesn't come from someone else figuring it out, it comes from your experience, your understanding, your attempts to figure it out, your brain functions, your good and bad days, it just doesn't come any other way.

What's the biggest obstacle in understanding? Not realising your mind co-creates so your state of mind is really what Nature is, or your mind and Nature's mind are one.

This isn't a roadshow, that means this isn't easily understood, so you can have a pleasure trip. But it's not particularly difficult to figure it out either. It's inbetween, it's a living mystery, puzzle, conundrum, something that has strangely arisen and needs to be approached like a puzzle of some kind.

It doesn't really seem to be about pleasure, it seems to be about a celebration of divinity, and such a celebration doesn't really come off that welcoming, it comes off as overwhelming, especially if we are just primates.

Regard your brain as the most important thing in the universe and meditate a lot. Meditation increases quality of consciousness, but so does any act that increases the quality of your being, so having integrity, being loving, caring, being open minded... all these things improve who you are and so make for you a clearer picture of reality. This is how it works.

Get into a heightened consciousness and look again at this flawless world, and how interesting our cities etc. are too.


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Re: Would you take it? [Re: circastes]
    #18807516 - 09/06/13 01:42 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

If you can't figure life out or it seems hopeless, you need to look again at what you think the world is. That wasn't your idea. Is it right?

The world is a living mystery. It knows it's a mystery, and it knows you know it's a mystery, and if you approach it properly, it will begin to yield more of its mystery, until you find it is a genuine living mystery and we have totally no idea what is happening.

But with this comes some relief. Afterlife seems far more likely, or it doesn't matter as much. Or rather, it seems as though everything is going to work out. Also, with it comes a kind of appreciation of the beauty of life, in that every day ends up a new experience, nay, every moment.


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Re: Would you take it? [Re: circastes]
    #18807523 - 09/06/13 01:44 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Really you can't be dissatisfied. I know people are starving and stubbing your toe sucks and maybe you're scared and depressed, but all these things are transient. Look again at what your mind does to reality, look again at what it is, you will be pleasantly surprised.


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