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1st post, strange BRF situation
    #18806470 - 09/06/13 08:03 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

hey guys!
so this is my first post (I’m a bit frightened…).  I’ve been obsessively reading this site like its my bible.  so many characters, so much information, its like a comedic documentary that lives and breathes haha. Anyways, I have grown before using brf cakes, years back, it kinda worked, but I was also on my way to peru for some ayahuasca exploration, and when I got back it kinda fell into the background as the vine pushed its way into my life.  But here I am again, just feels right.  ANYWHO….so here is my situation, and PLEASE feel free to tell me I f*cked up at any point...
I ordered 6 ½ pint BRF cakes from Earth Tongue (I kno I kno they suck, lots of bad reviews etc.) but I had no pc and wanted a little confidence boost, or assurance whatever that the jars I’d use would be sterile.  I messed up inoculation, in that each jar had a wide range on cc’s put in them, therefore they colonized (and are still colonizing) at different times( I did not mess up any sterile procedure though, no contams).  They were sterile for sure, as all contain nice white mycelial growth, just some more than others.  One of them, in particular, after being fully colonized on the outside, was birthed 8 days after, to make sure the center was colonized as well.  I did the dunk and roll to a T, and the SGFC to a T (BIG THANKS to RR, hopefully u come out with a mimosa extraction video too...), and since I am not working now, Fanning and misting to a T (I am so bored without a job that fanning and misting became the highpoints of my day...sigh)  I birthed the cake on aug 12th and FINALLY after 10 days a pin arrived.  Just one.  the ten or says in between, the cake was showing signs of growth, which I thought were hyphal knots, but I guess not, just nice white mycelium protruding out of and past the verm layer.  The pin turned into a 18g wet shroom, during the time it was growing, another pin formed, but only grew to about 5 g wet.  With no other signs of hyphal knots, I waited a couple days for the cake to dry out (as per several suggestions in multiple threads) before I dunked again.  Now the cake is just sitting there, seemingly doing nothing.  Temp of FC never falling below 77, never above 83, humidity always between 90% and 100%, except RIGHT after I birthed, kept it between 97%-100%, went down to 90% when I saw the pin forming and growing.  There is NO sign of contam, and the cakes feels like a good weight, not dry.  I’m wondering what's going on…?  For now I’m just being patient.
So, now come to yesterday (this will throw a fork in the tire).  The 2nd brf jar that became fully colonized (white on outside, then waiting 7 days for inside to grow) I decided to crumble and case, since the cake wasn't going as well as I’d hoped.  I dunk for 24 hours, then crumbled in a bag, and as I crumbled I realized the entire center of the cakes was just brf, no white, no nothing( despite being all white on outside and then waiting 7 days for consolidation)!  AHHH damn U earths tongue.  the cake was soooo packed that my guess is the myc. was having a hard time pushing through, and then I thought, maybe that is what is wrong with the cake in the SGFC, mentioned above because they were both from the six ½ pints received from Earths Tongue.  Maybe the cake is still colonizing.  But then how/why did it fruit (if only 2 fruits)?  Anyway, I still cased the crumbled (not fully colonized) cake.  doing a small monotub with 50/50 and moist bottom verm layer, as there was no going back after it was crumbled.
Ok so...my questions are:
1.Is it common for BRF cakes to be packed too tightly and therefore be misleading in terms of colonization? If so, is that why my 4 other BRF jars are STILL colonizing after 60 days, but with no signs of contam.
2. The cake that fruited, and was dunked again, I assume is also not fully colonized in the middle (despite being fully colonized on outside and waiting 8 days after for center) but has also not shown any signs of contam, will it fruit again?  Should i take it out of the SGFC to reduce FAE or in some way alter its environment?  And how did it produce 2 fruits if not fully colonized?
3. The cake I thought was fully colonized(all white on outside, then again waited 7 days for center to grow), that I crumbled (2nd paragraph above) and cased, is that doomed, or if I keep it sterile, may have some hope?

I would post pics, but since its my first post, Im not sure how.  Any answers would be great, but please keep the earth tongue bashing to a minimum, I know they sick, and I will never order from them again, and either way, the jars they sent were sterile, and the spore viable, its just I think they packed the BRF WAAAAAY too much.

Again, you guys are awesome, even when ur mean, haha.  I hope this hobby will bring as much gnosis into my life as the ayahuasca vine has.  I just inoculated 3 WBS jars with MS, I cooked them myself, not from ET this time.  Hope to hear from you guys!  Sorry the post is so long, I just wanted to make sure I got all the details, if I left any out please let me know.


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Re: 1st post, strange BRF situation [Re: blindingleaf]
    #18806547 - 09/06/13 08:39 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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blindingleaf said:
Hey guys!

So this is my first post (I’m a bit frightened…). I've been obsessively reading this site like it's my bible - so many characters, so much information, it's like a comedic documentary that lives and breathes haha. Anyways, I have grown before using BRFf cakes, years back, and it kinda worked, but I was also on my way to peru for some ayahuasca exploration, and when I got back it kinda fell into the background as the vine pushed its way into my life. But here I am again, just feels right.  ANYWHO… so here is my situation, and PLEASE feel free to tell me I f*cked up at any point...

I ordered 6 ½ pint BRF cakes from vendor (I know I know they suck, lots of bad reviews etc.) but I had no pc and wanted a little confidence boost or assurance, whatever, that the jars I’d use would be sterile. I messed up inoculation, in that each jar had a wide range on cc’s put in them, therefore they colonized (and are still colonizing) at different times( I did not mess up any sterile procedure though, no contams). They were sterile for sure, as all contain nice white mycelial growth, just some more than others. One of them, in particular, after being fully colonized on the outside, was birthed 8 days after, to make sure the center was colonized as well.

I did the dunk and roll to a T, and the SGFC to a T (BIG THANKS to RR, hopefully u come out with a mimosa extraction video too...), and since I am not working now, fanning and misting to a T (I am so bored without a job that fanning and misting became the highpoints of my day...sigh) I birthed the cake on aug 12th and FINALLY after 10 days a pin arrived. Just one.  The ten or so days in between, the cake was showing signs of growth, which I thought were hyphal knots, but I guess not, just nice white mycelium protruding out of and past the verm layer.  The pin turned into a 18g wet shroom, during the time it was growing, another pin formed, but only grew to about 5 g wet.  With no other signs of hyphal knots, I waited a couple days for the cake to dry out (as per several suggestions in multiple threads) before I dunked again. 

Now the cake is just sitting there, seemingly doing nothing. Temp of FC never falling below 77, never above 83, humidity always between 90% and 100%, except RIGHT after I birthed, kept it between 97%-100%, went down to 90% when I saw the pin forming and growing.  There is NO sign of contam, and the cakes feels like a good weight, not dry.  I’m wondering what's going on…?  For now I’m just being patient.

So, now come to yesterday (this will throw a fork in the tire). The 2nd brf jar that became fully colonized (white on outside, then waiting 7 days for inside to grow) I decided to crumble and case, since the cake wasn't going as well as I’d hoped. I dunk for 24 hours, then crumbled in a bag, and as I crumbled I realized the entire center of the cakes was just brf, no white, no nothing (despite being all white on outside and then waiting 7 days for consolidation)! AHHH damn U vendor. The cake was soooo packed that my guess is the myc. I was having a hard time pushing through, and then I thought, maybe that is what is wrong with the cake in the SGFC, mentioned above because they were both from the six ½ pints received from vendor. Maybe the cake is still colonizing.  But then how/why did it fruit (if only 2 fruits)?  Anyway, I still cased the crumbled (not fully colonized) cake.  doing a small monotub with 50/50 and moist bottom verm layer, as there was no going back after it was crumbled.

Ok so...my questions are:

1.Is it common for BRF cakes to be packed too tightly and therefore be misleading in terms of colonization? If so, is that why my 4 other BRF jars are STILL colonizing after 60 days, but with no signs of contam.

2. The cake that fruited, and was dunked again, I assume is also not fully colonized in the middle (despite being fully colonized on outside and waiting 8 days after for center) but has also not shown any signs of contam, will it fruit again? Should i take it out of the SGFC to reduce FAE or in some way alter its environment?  And how did it produce 2 fruits if not fully colonized?

3. The cake I thought was fully colonized(all white on outside, then again waited 7 days for center to grow), that I crumbled (2nd paragraph above) and cased, is that doomed, or if I keep it sterile, may have some hope?


I would post pics, but since its my first post, Im not sure how. Any answers would be great, but please keep the vendor bashing to a minimum, I know they sick, and I will never order from them again, and either way, the jars they sent were sterile, and the spore viable, its just I think they packed the BRF WAAAAAY too much.

Again, you guys are awesome, even when ur mean, haha. I hope this hobby will bring as much gnosis into my life as the ayahuasca vine has. I just inoculated 3 WBS jars with MS, I cooked them myself, not from ET this time. Hope to hear from you guys!  Sorry the post is so long, I just wanted to make sure I got all the details, if I left any out please let me know.





...the original post made my brain hurt, so I spaced it out a bit to make it readable.


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Re: 1st post, strange BRF situation [Re: blindingleaf]
    #18806556 - 09/06/13 08:41 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Could have kept that a bit shorter haha

Ime the inside of a cake isn't all white. You can see some white myc but its not a solid white mass you can still see some verm and brf


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This cake has no white filling! [Re: kharshroomer]
    #18807458 - 09/06/13 01:23 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

that makes sense, but this really seemed like just a wall on myc, almost none in the middle.  As of now, like I said, I'm just going to be patient with the cake in the SGFC because it has no signs at all of con tam and is still a healthy weight, with temps between 78-82 and 95% humidity.  Is it possible that it will just stay like this until it is all colonized?  Or do u think I should crumble and case this as well?  I'm in no rush to harvest, I'm just trying to learn the basics through trial and error.


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anyone else? [Re: blindingleaf]
    #18808210 - 09/06/13 04:51 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

anyone else?  please?


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Re: anyone else? [Re: blindingleaf]
    #18808281 - 09/06/13 05:06 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

1.My research on this website indicates 60 days without full colonization would most likely be a bacteria problem. Although, I suppose it could be packed too tight. But I'm going on what I've read on this site. That just seems like an awfully long time.

2. Jars start pinning before full colonization for a number of reasons. One could be a contam, again possibly bacteria? Or it could also be packed so tight that it thinks there's nowhere else to go and thinks it's colonized to it's limit.

3. It's most likely fucked. But keep it quarantined from everything else. Far far away. You never know. But, ditch at the first sign of contam.


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sigh [Re: The Psyentist]
    #18810962 - 09/07/13 09:35 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

still looking for suggestions...maybe its cause the weekend is upon us?  I wish I had a life.  Maybe if I get a life, my cake will respond by creating a life of its own...  I guess thats for the philosophical thread though.  Just checked my two mycobags, 1 rye and 1 brf/verm.  they are doing great.  Should I "shake" them at 30% like I would with jars or just let them fully colonize without interruption?


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Re: sigh [Re: blindingleaf]
    #18811029 - 09/07/13 10:01 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Should probably just let them fully colonise dont want to risk anything else not working.

Leave the cake you think is un finished to fruit, I bet it does.


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