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lessismore
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Re: My wife objects to using plants [Re: miamigorob]
#18799562 - 09/04/13 02:51 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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I would just tell her I like to eat cactus and morning glory seeds and reconnect with nature and myself
without mentioning mushrooms etc.
doesn't sound so satanic as the evil mushroom that grows in the shade, eats rotten flesh/debree and your soul by making you think it is a good spirit 
Christianity is an illness for some
if you are happy+motivated to go out and meet people etc. a long time after tripping without needing anything, you don't have a problem if you need to trip again every week, or if tripping isolates you/makes you forget your activities you got a problem
ask her to accept you as you are, without judging what you do when you don't hurt others and you're eating natural plants that have been eaten by shamans for thousands of years
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Re: My wife objects to using plants [Re: miamigorob]
#18799576 - 09/04/13 02:55 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Fuck man. talk it out. if that doesn't work, than maybe consider leaving.
My girl was against it at first, but since the psychs have made me so much more myself, she has learned to lovem. Well, for me anyway. she doesnt use.
Don't ask her to like them, ask her to like you.
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So I have this girl that I like, we were together for a few months, then apart (she left the country, planned move since before we met) then had some more fun again for a few weeks (I was staying over) and we still totally like each other.
Now thing is, on one hand I like her just the way she is, she's IMO pretty close to perfect as girls go (as far as one can hope I mean) but on the other hand I feel sad I can't really share the psy realms with her.
I like and respect her too much to even try pushing her in this direction, I feel her keeping clean is a great option for her, on the other hand I know that having a relationship with the shared psychedelic layer, is generally deeper and more meaningful than one without it.
No idea what to do about her, just wanted to share. Anybody else in a similar place?
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For truly, I say to you, many prophets and righteous people longed to see what you see, and did not see it, and to hear what you hear, and did not hear it. - Matthew 13:16
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Re: My wife objects to using plants [Re: Spacerific]
#18800536 - 09/04/13 06:56 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Ive been with my girlfriend for 9 years. 2 kids who are 11 and 7, its ok for her to drink around the kids but she gets pissy if im up by myself tripping. Its not really an argument or fight, i just hear "when you going to grow up?" lol. Says im not a teenager any more. sad but true. She also used to think I was going to hurt myself or do something stupid. Which is possible while on anything. But we talked and i told her that with proper education, set and setting and the right dose the chances of something bad happening was low. I also got a test kit and demonstrated it, showing her that yes im doing this but atleast im being responsible as possible. I dunno i don't know your wife but just communicate with her. Show her you can be responsible and that you're not just doing it to get fucked up.
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Re: My wife objects to using plants [Re: aw11driver]
#18800715 - 09/04/13 07:45 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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WTF, thread hijack from hell.
Also, that belongs in the relationship forum... This does too really but whatever.
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Re: My wife objects to using plants [Re: aw11driver]
#18800739 - 09/04/13 07:51 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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One argument that I've been working on is the fact that psilocybin helps with migraine cluster headaches. My wife (of 25 years who tripped once but doesn't want to now) gets serious headaches each month around the time of her period. When it's happening she's in hell - she throws up, she stays in a dark room and cry's from the pain. That's when I start talking about the research at Johns Hopkins. I think she'll give in soon because I have her on the record saying that when she's in the middle of one of her migraines, she would give/do/take anything if it would help.
I really want to trip with her again. We had so much fun when we did it 22 years ago. It was new years eve. We watch some of the Twilight Zone marathon, made love in front of the fireplace, listened to Pink Floyd and laughed until our faces hurt. One of the best nights of my life. I want that again!
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Re: My wife objects to using plants [Re: Universe]
#18800809 - 09/04/13 08:11 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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We had so much fun when we did it 22 years ago. It was new years eve. We watch some of the Twilight Zone marathon, made love in front of the fireplace, listened to Pink Floyd and laughed until our faces hurt. One of the best nights of my life. I want that again!
How can two people have that kind of awesome amazing time and then not do it again for 22 years? 
What even remotely logical explanation can there be for such a thing?
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For truly, I say to you, many prophets and righteous people longed to see what you see, and did not see it, and to hear what you hear, and did not hear it. - Matthew 13:16
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Re: My wife objects to using plants [Re: Spacerific]
#18800886 - 09/04/13 08:35 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Some conscious brainwashing so deeply engrained that it could scar a man or woman for life and make them feel immoral for some positive experience that could lead to a healthy life long spiritual connection with someone that love dearly. Strange world we live in, ain't it?
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Re: My wife objects to using plants [Re: jivangilad] 1
#18801114 - 09/04/13 09:25 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Quote her some bible verses:
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Then God said, "Behold, I have given you every plant yielding seed that is on the surface of all the earth, and every tree which has fruit yielding seed; it shall be food for you
If she refuses to respect your feelings on the matter things aren't going to get better. It would be sad to have to hide this aspect of your life from her if it came down to it. My wife doesn't like to smoke weed or trip, but she realizes it's something I like to do from time to time. Marriage shouldn't be a dictatorship and she shouldn't be playing god and telling you what's good for you.
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Re: My wife objects to using plants [Re: Spacerific]
#18806319 - 09/06/13 06:21 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Spacerific said: So I have this girl that I like, we were together for a few months, then apart (she left the country, planned move since before we met) then had some more fun again for a few weeks (I was staying over) and we still totally like each other.
Now thing is, on one hand I like her just the way she is, she's IMO pretty close to perfect as girls go (as far as one can hope I mean) but on the other hand I feel sad I can't really share the psy realms with her.
I like and respect her too much to even try pushing her in this direction, I feel her keeping clean is a great option for her, on the other hand I know that having a relationship with the shared psychedelic layer, is generally deeper and more meaningful than one without it.
No idea what to do about her, just wanted to share. Anybody else in a similar place?
For me it was very important, that my partner has a spiritual path, rather then it will be the same as mine. It might get boring when you are too similar, I know from other partners I have had.. But the differences between us have made me more tolerant, and I have learned a lot, from adopting her path. I have learned a lot from following the path of jesus, rather then being arrogant, and saying that those missionaries have nothing to teach me. I dont agree with their secterianism, but I have learned a lot from it. My parents are orthodox jews, and it was important from me that she will convert to judaism, for them. It was a long and demanding proccess, and she was very sad that she had to deny jesus at one point. But she also learned from it, and me too. But it was very important for me that she follows her religion, as I know this is her spiritual path , and I have been baptised. I follow this path with her, and it adds a spiritual dimension to our relationship, and makes me more tolerant. Any way I think that my relations with the plants, is mainly with the plants, and not with others. So obviously there are difficulties in this differences, as my post imply.
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Re: My wife objects to using plants [Re: jivangilad]
#18806398 - 09/06/13 07:10 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Any way I think that my relations with the plants, is mainly with the plants, and not with others.
Have you tried tripping with her together? I mean both on the same plant or shroom? IMO that right there adds a far richer level to your relationship (with any human, friend, wife, whatever) than say, mumbling from the same book or hanging out at the same church / temple. Personal opinion of course, your mileage may differ.
I just want to stress that tripping alone is a lot like drinking alcohol alone (if that's the only tripping one ever does). There are very good reasons why that's seen as unhealthy, much more so than drinking socially. It's a psychological, social thing, it can lead to more alienation, rather than harmonious integration.
I don't know what can be more interesting for a couple to do, than have this kind of deep, shared experience together.       
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For truly, I say to you, many prophets and righteous people longed to see what you see, and did not see it, and to hear what you hear, and did not hear it. - Matthew 13:16
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Re: My wife objects to using plants [Re: Spacerific]
#18806466 - 09/06/13 08:01 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Spacerific said:
How can two people have that kind of awesome amazing time and then not do it again for 22 years? 
What even remotely logical explanation can there be for such a thing?
Easy answer... 1) Availability - I don't know anyone who sells drugs. 2) We brought up two kids. 3) We both had busy jobs.
Now things are different. 1) I grow things. 2) The kids are almost all grown up. 3) I have my own business which allows both of us to bum around half of the time.
Three great reasons to get back into psychedelics! Now I just have to convince her.
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Re: My wife objects to using plants [Re: Universe]
#18806502 - 09/06/13 08:21 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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I feel for some of you guys my ex was nottttt into it. My current gf however, I have to keep in check
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If I had to choose between my wife and psychedelics, then psychedelics would get the boot. It's a no brainer.. Tripping is important to me, but having a woman who loves me and will stay with me until the end.. nothing can compare to that. I'd much rather reduce psychedelics to a memory than her.
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Re: My wife objects to using plants [Re: jivangilad]
#18806787 - 09/06/13 09:59 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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That's a tough one dude. I guess the best advice I have to give is to try to respect her opinion and where she's coming from, but at the same time, you have to think about how important these plants are to you.
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Re: My wife objects to using plants [Re: jivangilad]
#18806824 - 09/06/13 10:10 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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jivangilad said:
My wife also doesn't like me doing meditation or yoga, and thinks it is also satanic. But she doesn't fear it so much, and doesn't disturb me about it that much.
What?
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To Long Didn't Read: Marriage is a pointless endevour that retards your personal growth. You should do what you want, when you want, at all times. Christians are not to be messed with. YOU ARE RIGHT.
All contained herein, is my opinion, and advice derived from personal experience. Nothing more. Use at your own risk.
I think people put way too much importance on marriage. It doesn't mean anything, it is imaginary, it is not sacred. If the person you are with is not right for you, LEAVE. Married or not. It's really simple.
Don't try to change someone. Trying to change someone is the worst insult you can possibly ever give them.
"Hey I don't like you the way you are, could you please change your mind about this thing over here? Why? Because it suits ME." People will change if you put in enough "work", but they will only resent you for not loving them how they are, it can only turn bad. Respect their wishes, absolutely. Respect their beliefs, no matter how funky they may be, absolutely. Then say goodbye.
Furthermore, there is no WORK involved in love between two people who match. If you have to do WORK, to make a relationship run properly, you don't need to be there.
Plant usage, to a lot of us here on the Shroomery, IS OUR RELIGION(so too speak). Do you respect her religious beliefs? I would bet you do, you are on this forum doing exactly that right now. And that's awesome man but respect is not a one way street. I say leave, don't look back, don't be sad.
I guarantee you, there is nothing that this woman has, that another woman doesn't also have, and probably right down the street. We will all of us, have lots of soulmates before our part in the game is through. And that is a wonderful thing! There isn't a reason under the sun that I have personally found, to EVER EVER EVER even entertain the idea of being with someone forever, building a life around them, no matter how perfect they might be. If you put all your eggs in one basket, you are always fucking yourself. Forever, till death do us part, that is a bad idea of the church, nothing more. That is the fallacy of security, of closure, control. You finally got that relationship thing covered, never have to worry about it again. HAHA, yea right. Human beings aren't meant to stay with one person, OBVIOUSLY. Take a look in any direction, and you will see someone unhappily tied to someone else, its ridiculous. Ducks stay together forever in most cases. They have everything in common, because they are entirely 2 dimensional. Humans are not this way, you will never, ever find someone exactly like you. We are islands, as it has been said, and no one will ever know you, you will never truly know anyone else. Find someone who enjoys what you do, at this point in your life. It is about sharing time, laughs, fun, ideas, love. Not your entire life. You will change, many times over. And certain people and worn out places and used up toys will become irrelevant in your life. This is not a sad thing. Get over it, LET GO, move on. If the psychedelic experience has taught us anything, it is THAT. Let go.
You shouldn't be afraid to defend your dream of life from anyone, be it your best friend or lover or parent or whoever. Fight for it, if some bullshit christian ideal is keeping you from expressing yourself, then fucking obliterate the source of its influence on your life.
Main point I want to make is this, if you want to live a healthy happy life, free to pursue your own pleasures, your own brand of spirituality, STAY AWAY FROM CHRISTIANS. Far away, cross the street if you see one, don't let it infect you, sure as hell DO NOT MARRY ONE. RUN. Personally, I refuse to even be friends with one. I've given plenty of them, plenty of chances to prove their worth, but they have none. Yea I am a very intolerant person, I hate stupid people, sorry.
If someone truly loved you, wouldn't they want you to do whatever it was that made you happy? The answer is of course yes. And if the answer was no, then monogamy is a relationship built on jealousy and possessiveness. Gross.
Case fucking closed.
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Re: My wife objects to using plants [Re: Habadashery] 1
#18807207 - 09/06/13 12:05 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Habadashery said:
Case fucking closed.
Hardly....LOL You are young and have a lot to learn. One day you'll fall in love and you'll see that your whole rap is a load of shit. I wish you the best.
That rap is good when you're in your 20's and still a rebel. I was there. That scene gets old.. and you get old with it. I feel sorry for people who get up into their 40's - 50's and older without ever getting married. I feel even worse for people who are married, middle aged and never had kids because they spent years clubbing and still live like teenagers. Once the thrill of youth is behind you (which will happen if you stay alive), family becomes the most important thing. Much more important than drugs, more important than living a life that's all about "me". I'd rather die young than become an old stoner with no wife or kids who did what he wanted to do. I know some people like that and they're dirt bags. Me - I'm a husband, a dad, and I can't wait to add grampa to the list.
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Re: My wife objects to using plants [Re: Universe]
#18807222 - 09/06/13 12:08 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Edited by rikuni (03/16/14 04:31 AM)
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Re: My wife objects to using plants [Re: rikuni]
#18807271 - 09/06/13 12:20 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Like I said, just my opinion.
I feel like you got the impression all i do is do drugs and sleep around. Not even close. I don't club, and I don't like bars, never go to em. I just strongly disagree with monogamy and marriage and organized religion :P
I really can't believe though that so many people actually want to stay with one person their whole life, unreal.
I guess I'm the minority? Good.
I took my fathers advice to heart, "son, marriage is death". Hes the best, kindest, smartest human being I know personally, and his advice never steered me wrong. He never wanted kids, never liked them. Had me, changed his mind entirely. Yea, no kidding.
You must have kids if you are telling me that shit rats are needed for a complete and healthy life. No shit rats for me!
Different strokes I guess. Still think the dude should leave her.
Edited by Habadashery (09/06/13 12:24 PM)
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