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Heavenly Blue: best prep and dosage?
    #18806110 - 09/06/13 02:39 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Hey all, I have some Morning Glory HB seeds coming in, and am trying to figure out the best way to prepare the seeds, and an appropriate dosage for a first-timer to this substance. I have been reading previous posts about this but it's been hard to come up with a clear consensus.

Basically, should I grind and eat the seeds, or is a cold-water extraction the way to go? I've heard that the CWE is less potent than simply eating the seeds. In that case, the dosage would need to be a little higher to compensate, right? I'm thinking somewhere in the area of 300 seeds or so.

I'll appreciate any insight you guys can give. :laugh:


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Re: Heavenly Blue: best prep and dosage? [Re: dynamic buffalo]
    #18806151 - 09/06/13 03:21 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Try one of the solvent extraction methods featured on erowid if you are able, I recently re-attempted one of the extractions and I seem to have almost completely removed any negative side effects that I originally encountered with my first attempts, the bad news was that through the extraction I had lost a substantial amount of the LSA.
I'm going to do one last try with this extraction with the expectation of losing some of the alkaloids in a few weeks time (using a few more seeds this time round).
I've been mentioning it in some of my posts as of late and when I achieve excellent results there will a thread detailing my method of extraction posted in TPE.

In my opinion whether you perform a CWE or just eat the ground up seeds you will experience negative side effects.... Before ever I had tried the methods I use today I used to just munch down a hundred or so, its heavy on the stomach though (I was like 16).


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Re: Heavenly Blue: best prep and dosage? [Re: dynamic buffalo]
    #18806180 - 09/06/13 04:05 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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dynamic buffalo said:
In that case, the dosage would need to be a little higher to compensate, right?  :laugh:




Not really because the water extraction isn't very efficient! It pulls out less of the nauseating compounds but also less of the alkaloids that make one trip. Upping the dose however will work the same way pulling out more of the alkaloids that make you trip but also more of the compounds that make one nauseous.

Even then I still felt that the effects were very limited as opposed to the whole seed experience. I have to believe that perhaps the compounds that contribute to the LSD like effects are the same compounds (or contain other compounds) that make one feel like shit!

Honest to God I tried it every which way but never managed to make extractions of any kind match up to the whole seed experience. I think the side effects are just something you have to accept! I have heard though that if one is able to obtain lab grade petroleum ether that this all might not be the case! But if that were true why isn't LSA much more popular?

Maybe try a water extraction first, wait to come up off that, and then re-dose with some actual seed matter! Once tripping you see, you can re-dose and do so without anywhere near the same level of horrific side effects. I think therein lies a clue to solving the riddle to be honest...

For example I remember being able to eat many seeds the next day after tripping (having put myself through hell to get to heaven) without feeling anywhere near as terrible as I did the day before with no tolerance! Because of the tolerance I'd built up however the effects the next day were utterly insignificant!

But this is an interesting area of investigation, in that I was able to build up a tolerance for not only the psychological but also the physical effects? Would this not somehow confirm me in the belief that there is something within the undesirable compounds that is very much what makes the whole HBWR/MG experience so terrible and at the same time so wonderful? :shrug:


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Re: Heavenly Blue: best prep and dosage? [Re: wolf8312]
    #18808384 - 09/06/13 05:30 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Great information guys, I really appreciate it. From what I gather, it seems like both ways have their advantages. You guys raised some interesting ideas

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I'm going to do one last try with this extraction with the expectation of losing some of the alkaloids in a few weeks time (using a few more seeds this time round).
I've been mentioning it in some of my posts as of late and when I achieve excellent results there will a thread detailing my method of extraction posted in TPE.




Definitely let us know how this goes! I'm always curious to hear new teks for stuff.


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Honest to God I tried it every which way but never managed to make extractions of any kind match up to the whole seed experience.

Maybe try a water extraction first, wait to come up off that, and then re-dose with some actual seed matter! Once tripping you see, you can re-dose and do so without anywhere near the same level of horrific side effects. I think therein lies a clue to solving the riddle to be honest...





Interesting. So maybe taking an initial CWE dose followed by eating ground seeds would be the best in terms of maximizing the alkaloids while minimizing nausea etc. Lots to think about lol. I have a bunch of seeds so maybe I'll try some things out.

My first attempt with MG seeds was last week, but I found out the seeds were inactive AFTER consuming approx 750 seeds ground. I had the worst diarrhea of my life the next day! lol


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