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2 Cactus I.D. * 1
    #18805327 - 09/05/13 09:40 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I picked these up from a local nursery about a year ago. I was told the one on the left was the Peruvianus. But I know how lost in translation things can get between suppliers.

The one on the right, however. Was unknown to them, so I bought it just because I liked it.

Well anyways, thoughts, opinions? Thanks in advance.  :happyheart:



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Re: 2 Cactus I.D. [Re: 1234go]
    #18805365 - 09/05/13 09:49 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

The lime green cactus resembles a myrtillocactus. But I'm not positive


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Re: 2 Cactus I.D. [Re: Shroomhunter510] * 1
    #18805371 - 09/05/13 09:51 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Did a quick image search, and I'd have to agree with ya. The spines do resemble some of the ones I was seeing. Thanks.


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Re: 2 Cactus I.D. [Re: Shroomhunter510]
    #18805397 - 09/05/13 09:56 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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The lime green cactus resembles a myrtillocactus. But I'm not positive




What he said. The one on the left is looking very cereus.

Edit- On second thought, looks like a Stenocereus species.


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Re: 2 Cactus I.D. [Re: prismism]
    #18805435 - 09/05/13 10:05 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Your welcome, good luck identifying the other one .. Hey OP that's a cool looking picture you've got in your signature, the image with the wheel looking thing .


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Re: 2 Cactus I.D. [Re: 1234go]
    #18805447 - 09/05/13 10:07 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Stenocereus griseus on the left. Myrtillocactus geometrizans on the right.


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Re: 2 Cactus I.D. [Re: karode13] * 1
    #18805573 - 09/05/13 10:32 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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the image with the wheel looking thing .




Thanks I dig it too, I wanna start making these all over my garden. Wish I could say I made this one...ha.

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Stenocereus griseus on the left. Myrtillocactus geometrizans on the right.





Thanks man, damn the guy who told me it was a peruvianus...suppose I'll have to remove that label. heh. Either way, still great cacti.

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Re: 2 Cactus I.D. [Re: 1234go]
    #18806170 - 09/06/13 03:44 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Blue Myrtle on the left and I see trichocereus fulvilanus label on the cactus left and it seems like it. I have got two t. fulvilanus and they resemble your cactus. My cacti was just small ones and I have given them to family friend.


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Re: 2 Cactus I.D. [Re: intelligentlife] * 1
    #18806460 - 09/06/13 07:57 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I've gotten 3 - 4 different answers now....:confused:


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Re: 2 Cactus I.D. [Re: intelligentlife] * 1
    #18806492 - 09/06/13 08:14 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Blue Myrtle on the left and I see trichocereus fulvilanus label on the cactus left and it seems like it. I have got two t. fulvilanus and they resemble your cactus. My cacti was just small ones and I have given them to family friend.





The label is half hidden, and actually says "peruvianus". But I realize this is incorrect.

I'd say it could be either one of the two mentioned by you and karode. "Stenocereus griseus" or "trichocereus fulvilanus"

Again, thanks for the help.


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Re: 2 Cactus I.D. [Re: 1234go]
    #18806506 - 09/06/13 08:22 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

It isn't T. fulvilanus, or any Trichocereus sp.


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Re: 2 Cactus I.D. [Re: Mostly_Harmless]
    #18809116 - 09/06/13 08:01 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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It isn't T. fulvilanus, or any Trichocereus sp.





^^QFT


They're what I identified them as. People saying otherwise need glasses or to brush up on their cactus identifying skills.:goodmorning:


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Re: 2 Cactus I.D. [Re: karode13] * 1
    #18809603 - 09/06/13 09:54 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Right on, thank ya thank ya.

Good to know after about a year of wondering.


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Re: 2 Cactus I.D. [Re: karode13]
    #18809956 - 09/06/13 11:21 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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It isn't T. fulvilanus, or any Trichocereus sp.





^^QFT


They're what I identified them as. People saying otherwise need glasses or to brush up on their cactus identifying skills.:goodmorning:



Sorry to be the bearer of bad news k-man but the first one is not stenocereus griseus. Its just not.

Second is blue myrtle and the first I believe to be trich spachianus. Maynot be, but it is definitely not a steno.


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Re: 2 Cactus I.D. [Re: ferrel_human] * 1
    #18810688 - 09/07/13 07:31 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I don't want to come off being argumentative, but I was looking at some spachianus pictures and they appeared to be slightly brighter green with the ribs a bit more rounded.

Are these characteristics variable? Or am I just looking at some bad references, and have no idea what I am talking about? :laugh:

But for the record, I hope it is a spachianus. Already have a few stenos.

I also wouldn't think the dude "good dude by the way" at my local nursery would be that far off with identification.


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Re: 2 Cactus I.D. [Re: ferrel_human]
    #18812498 - 09/07/13 06:30 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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It isn't T. fulvilanus, or any Trichocereus sp.





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They're what I identified them as. People saying otherwise need glasses or to brush up on their cactus identifying skills.:goodmorning:



Sorry to be the bearer of bad news k-man but the first one is not stenocereus griseus. Its just not.

Second is blue myrtle and the first I believe to be trich spachianus. Maynot be, but it is definitely not a steno.





There is no T. spachianus visible in those pictures. It's so obvious I shouldn't have to point that out.

Use google images to compare and it should be clear.

The amount of wrong id's lately has me shaking my head sometimes. This is one of those times.

Also, I know plenty of "good dudes" that grow a lot of cactus but don't know a thing about what they're actually growing. Retail nurseries are a lot worse with identifications.

I'm not trying to be argumentative, I'm only trying to accurately identify the cactus.


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Re: 2 Cactus I.D. [Re: karode13] * 1
    #18812678 - 09/07/13 07:19 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Use google images to compare and it should be clear.

Also, I know plenty of "good dudes" that grow a lot of cactus but don't know a thing about what they're actually growing. Retail nurseries are a lot worse with identifications.

I'm not trying to be argumentative, I'm only trying to accurately identify the cactus.




Word, good dude or not...you're right. People get things wrong.
And like I said, the pictures of steno griseus I was checking out had more resemblance. The spachianus ribs I saw seemed to have raised "ridges" where the spines were.
While the steno griseus had more narrow and thin ridges, resembling my picture a bit more.

All in all, thanks to everyone who gave input. I learned a little something from all.
At this point, whatever it may be...it's healthy, growing quickly and making me happy. All that matters I suppose.


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Re: 2 Cactus I.D. [Re: 1234go]
    #18813404 - 09/07/13 11:08 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Well its no a steno thats for sure. I said maybe.

Let call it a cactus and love it.

Its nice btw. :super:


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Re: 2 Cactus I.D. [Re: ferrel_human] * 1
    #18814172 - 09/08/13 07:21 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Let call it a cactus and love it.





Word.

Whys isn't there a "word" icon image, or am I just missing it?


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Re: 2 Cactus I.D. [Re: 1234go]
    #18814183 - 09/08/13 07:26 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

:werd:


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Re: 2 Cactus I.D. [Re: Mostly_Harmless]
    #18814189 - 09/08/13 07:30 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

:werd: Thanks, I'm all set now.


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Re: 2 Cactus I.D. [Re: 1234go]
    #18814769 - 09/08/13 11:22 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Neither of them look like psychedelic cacti, I'm no expert but I have eaten cactus many times.


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Re: 2 Cactus I.D. [Re: SteelPanther]
    #18815530 - 09/08/13 02:56 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Think there was not talking about are these psychedelic or not, afaik I understand more important was the identifying of the plants..

I know one thing, there are etiolation at blue myrtle so possible another cactus can have etiolated growth and therefor looks different than actual adult one what has got nice amount of sun.

I can get same species of cactus look very different, even change of spine color with fertilizer and light amounts.

Poor light grown cacti or long time poor fertilized can grow very different and spine formation with skin color can vary lots what confuse the ID.

What makes me saying the another one T. Fulvilanus is possible suspection of poor light environment like blue myrtle. I have got two T. Fulvilanus, not grown in so good light.. Spine formation and actual ribs looks similar.

..or I have buy'd cactus labeled as T. Fulvilanus what makes me think cactus near blue myrthle is that one.

Ofc flower would solve the solution instantly, or possible way to know for sure are giving good but not too much of fertilizers and then nice sun for two seasons so actual "adult" grow can be seen.

I have seen lots of different cacti, still same species. In my climate getting cactus to shape what it is in nature is tricky so I have get to know how much light levels or soil fertilizer can effect the appearance of cactus.

Comparing still it to few pics what I found about T. Fulvilanus I would say it's small poor light grown cactus o that species. Still I don't say I am even right about this, but appearance of cactus look very similar to poor light windowsill grown T. Fulvilanus I have seen from ribs to spines. In good light and properly fertilzed cactus grows massive amount of thick spines instead of lots of small spines what just doesn't grow so thick. Also in poor light these T. Fulvilanus grow black small spines instead of massive spines what are only that color at the growth tip on the cactus.

I have one example from T. Camarguensis.. I poor light spine coloration is white, in good light spine coloration is yellow with top spines are red. I have no pictures of that T. Fulvilanus cause I give them to my friend as gift for house plant.. I still cannot get to my mind any closer species... And cause I see etiolation and proof of bad environment at blue myrtle, that's why I just guess it can be that but only one season in good fertilizer and soil gives some idea what it can be.
Some species are totally resemble another species if environment and nutrients are not good.. I have seen san pedros from same cuttings, another grower have nice good skin, big spines and "adult" looking plant. Another grower with same cuttings have very small black odd spines, slim plants and not in so good condition otherwise and looks very different and possible most of people ID it different tricho if not know that both of the different looking plants are from same mother plant but environment and grower ain't same. I don't have "investigate" the reason for this but have seen that different growers, nutrients, soil, water, light amounts, artificial light spectrum or sun light spectrum(what is actually different depends on latitudes and time of the day.. ofc all these combinated)

...are these plants in pictures are between 10-15centimeters? Looks like size of seedlings to me.

With picture ID and missing of scale like some common known object or measuring tape can make 2cm diameter cactus looking like adult if there is no anything where to scale the plant like human hand or simply just a measuring tape..

To thing these all kinds of things together and environments, possible dehydration and amount of ribs makes things hard.. Rib style is not still so "sharp" to say it's cereus sp or something..

..Trichocereus Spachianus can be one possibility if cactus is grown in poor light and possible with poor nutrients so spine formation is very poor and can fool the ID of the cactus.

However, I don't start to analyze anything and say anything about that I am right what species the cactus is. After good growth season and fertilizing with all nutrients too gives later more better idea from the cactus cause now it seems to me "some columnar seedling" similar to trichocereus, pilocereus or cereus... I have just get to know very much to the effects of the sun and more better the effect of lack of sun or fertilizers with heat cause any kind of factors can fool ID, especially with columnar small seedlings size cactus plants and hot they are taken care of.

Okay enough of analysis without knowledge what it can be but I can guess whatever without knowing for sure. Best thing to find out ID of columnar cactus is to grow is large enough tho.. Many columnar species are tricky ones and indoor or outdoor growing makes also difference to appearance, especially to seedlings with aspect of growth environment.

I have also some cacti I just don't know what they are, only know that they are echinopsis "something" but further more it's mystery but it's working good still as a graft stock for lophophora.

..after googling for a while when writing this bullshit... Mexican Organ Pipe, Pitayo de Mayo (Stenocereus griseus looks very much like that.. Still trying to find picture from that species from small plant is not so easy but aerole color, rib style and appearance feels it can be Organ Pipe Cactus or some similar close species of it.. That's only "look-a-like" ID but cannot see so much similar appearances on the cactus in pictures compared to another Pitayo de Mayo cactus photos. Color of the spines on top and below, depression on aerole, color of aerole, amount of spines, ribs and so on.

If it's not that species, it maybe some similar species to organ pipe cactus. After few seasons in good conditions it can be said sure is it organ pipe cactus or some relative or subspecies of it or not.. Cannot find any so similar with these details compared from photo to photo.. I don't know can I say here the website where I found lots of different pictures from organ pipe cactus from different angles and ages.

However, I just compared the photos using google typing lots of species and organ pipe cactus have very much similar details but as I said finding the seedling photo was not so easy cause most of photos was taken from very big columns or cuttings bigger than picture in the first pots.

..it is just fun to guess what it can be even I have no idea.. but does it really matter cause I don't claim it to be just more than young or small cutting of columnar cactus :eskimokiss:


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Re: 2 Cactus I.D. [Re: SteelPanther]
    #18815966 - 09/08/13 05:10 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Neither of them look like psychedelic cacti, I'm no expert but I have eaten cactus many times.




Not inquiring about any psychedelic properties, thanks though.

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I know one thing, there are etiolation at blue myrtle so possible another cactus can have etiolated growth and therefor looks different than actual adult one what has got nice amount of sun.


...are these plants in pictures are between 10-15centimeters? Looks like size of seedlings to me.





Thanks for all that info man! Much love.

The myrtle cactus I actually purchased all skinny like that, I was excited about my new hobby and was going crazy. The newer growth started as soon as I re potted.

Both of them are actually around 10 inches high, with a girth of 1-2 inches (not counting the etiolation of course).


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Re: 2 Cactus I.D. [Re: 1234go]
    #18817355 - 09/08/13 11:42 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Neither of them look like psychedelic cacti, I'm no expert but I have eaten cactus many times.




Not inquiring about any psychedelic properties, thanks though.

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I know one thing, there are etiolation at blue myrtle so possible another cactus can have etiolated growth and therefor looks different than actual adult one what has got nice amount of sun.


...are these plants in pictures are between 10-15centimeters? Looks like size of seedlings to me.





Thanks for all that info man! Much love.

The myrtle cactus I actually purchased all skinny like that, I was excited about my new hobby and was going crazy. The newer growth started as soon as I re potted.

Both of them are actually around 10 inches high, with a girth of 1-2 inches (not counting the etiolation of course).




Dude, try to google organ pipe cactus plant pictures, I find out there are lots of similarities.. ofc every cactus have their own appearance with details like us humans, no one are clone of each other.. Only cactus as cuttings are clones if they are growing both in similar conditions.


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Re: 2 Cactus I.D. [Re: intelligentlife]
    #18818113 - 09/09/13 08:07 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I did so immediately after reading your post, there are some striking similarities.
I see that the scientific name is stenocereus griseus?
Which is if I am not mistaken what Karode suggested it was. So far this is the most solid possibility.
I'm not gonna say anyone is right or wrong, cause I don't know shit about cactus.  :facepalm3:

Thanks for all the info on conditions having effect on growth (I had no idea), I'll wait some years before I give them an official I.D.
Since I've gotten several suggestions on what it may or may not be.
But like some others and I have said, it's a pretty cactus and that's all that matters. :smile: :sunny:

And what's up with me never being able to find cactus fertilizer? I always see people talking about shultz fertilizer.
Only place I've found it is amazon.com :shrug:


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Re: 2 Cactus I.D. [Re: 1234go]
    #18818313 - 09/09/13 09:45 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I have used regular plant fertilizers used for blooming (low nitrogen) but with small amounts.. Only amounts of 1/4 or 1/2 from the instructions from the side of the fertilizer bottle.

I use liquid fertilizers and they are commonly used to add for houseplants growing in soil.. These kind of fertilizers are easy to find anywhere.

I have also used high nitrogen fertilizers if I have nothing else, but amount of fertilizers mixed to water are very small. Commonly I use fertilizers with low nitrogen what you can find as "blooming fertilizers"

Cactus doesn't care what fertilizer you give to it.. just make sure you don't use too much fertilizers cause nitrogen is bad with high doses... Trichocereus and few columnars can take lots of high nitrogen fertilizers during growth season, but for overall you can use what you can buy from common stores or small nurseries where are sold fertilizers for houseplants.


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Re: 2 Cactus I.D. [Re: intelligentlife]
    #18818929 - 09/09/13 01:35 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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I have used regular plant fertilizers used for blooming (low nitrogen) but with small amounts.. Only amounts of 1/4 or 1/2 from the instructions from the side of the fertilizer bottle.

I use liquid fertilizers and they are commonly used to add for houseplants growing in soil.. These kind of fertilizers are easy to find anywhere.

I have also used high nitrogen fertilizers if I have nothing else, but amount of fertilizers mixed to water are very small. Commonly I use fertilizers with low nitrogen what you can find as "blooming fertilizers"

Cactus doesn't care what fertilizer you give to it.. just make sure you don't use too much fertilizers cause nitrogen is bad with high doses... Trichocereus and few columnars can take lots of high nitrogen fertilizers during growth season, but for overall you can use what you can buy from common stores or small nurseries where are sold fertilizers for houseplants.




Awesome man, thanks again and again!
I see the blooming fertilizers all over, i'll be sure to grab some on my next outing.


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Re: 2 Cactus I.D. [Re: 1234go]
    #18821262 - 09/09/13 10:55 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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I have used regular plant fertilizers used for blooming (low nitrogen) but with small amounts.. Only amounts of 1/4 or 1/2 from the instructions from the side of the fertilizer bottle.

I use liquid fertilizers and they are commonly used to add for houseplants growing in soil.. These kind of fertilizers are easy to find anywhere.

I have also used high nitrogen fertilizers if I have nothing else, but amount of fertilizers mixed to water are very small. Commonly I use fertilizers with low nitrogen what you can find as "blooming fertilizers"

Cactus doesn't care what fertilizer you give to it.. just make sure you don't use too much fertilizers cause nitrogen is bad with high doses... Trichocereus and few columnars can take lots of high nitrogen fertilizers during growth season, but for overall you can use what you can buy from common stores or small nurseries where are sold fertilizers for houseplants.




Awesome man, thanks again and again!
I see the blooming fertilizers all over, i'll be sure to grab some on my next outing.




Good! They have okay NPK for cacti, it's not perfect but I don't have too "cactus only fertilizers" ..I use common fertilizers usually see the NPK value and look low nitrogen value.

When I fertilize, I just drop "something" to the watering can but not as much as fertilizer label says it has to be given. During dormancy, or before and after, I don't give any of fertilizers or water. You can keep dormancy from 3-6months..

I have got Mammillaria to bloom this end summer when I kept it without water 3-4months at cool +1-15C temperature from last year late october to end of january.


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Re: 2 Cactus I.D. [Re: intelligentlife]
    #18822180 - 09/10/13 06:32 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah I'd definitely be weary about over fertilizing cactus, I feel like I water too much sometimes....but the heat dries things out within a day or two.
But i'm sure I could water less than I do.

Where I am right now it's a consistent temperature between 95-105F in the afternoon.
I don't think I could get away without watering for months, winters are so flaky here.

Our winter temperatures are few and far between.
It' doesn't truly start getting cold until Late December or January usually.
Even then it's not a constant cold.

How is dormancy determined in areas like this?


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Re: 2 Cactus I.D. [Re: 1234go]
    #18822269 - 09/10/13 07:20 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I am now just guessing, but dormancy for cactus in texas should do okay outdoors as long as you keep them away from rain... Without water cacti tolerate lots..

Once at mid winter there when temperatures can goes down to -40C, I had loph fricii 20hours outdoors in mail box at tempretaure -24C and they were fine cause they has now watered for months..

...mealybugs has survived tho. :shakefist:

My climate there is only 4months max outdoor greenhouse time for cactus. Rest of the job have to do with windowsill or artificial lights and dormancy is hard even there is cold everywhere but like I have said I build last winter "cold box" over windowsill, when temperatures suddenly goes to -35C cactus box temps was dramatically drop near +0C.. Usually it was on +10C. Also they had to sun at all cause there are no direct sun for 4months and 2months of them are very dark and depressive times.

I think if you are in texas, just build some cover from rain and wind outdoors and keep cacti there few months at dormancy..

If you don't want to keep them in cold mid-winter.. Fool the cactus and use cold spring temps or fall temps 3-4months for dormant and start season later/earlier indoors. But enough of it.. I don't know how variable texas area temperatures can be and where are is what city.. Only I know most of cacti species can survive there all year round outdoors..


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Re: 2 Cactus I.D. [Re: intelligentlife]
    #18822511 - 09/10/13 09:05 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Right on. Yeah i'm pretty sure it won't be cold enough to harm them. They survive the winters at the nurseries outside :shrug:

I've got a propane heater I use in my greenhouse when Texas decides to freeze up.
The temperatures here are "variable" to say the least. We've gotta bi-polar climate here that can never make up her mind. It's a bitch! :grin:

Again, thanks for all the help man!  :hatsoff:


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